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  • #16
    Originally posted by nmuruli View Post
    1) Is it worth buying the ZMR by paying 22k more when compared with Karizma-R as the only change in ZMR with respect to engine is FI ?

    If you really want to know whether its worth the additional 22k, then no its not worth spending that much. You settle in on the ZMA only. But, if you want a long lasting technology then go in for the ZMR as the engine used in ZMA is more than a decade old.

    2) ZMR is 10kgs more , so is it effecting the performance?

    If you see the performance figures are on the higher side for the ZMR bcoz of it advanced technology. Its not related to size/volume of the bike.

    3) If there are any ZMR owner who owned the Karizma-R before , do you think its worth paying 22k more for ZMR when compared to the R version of it just for the looks?

    If compared to the the ZMA, ZMR has a lot of new features to offer than the looks alone..

    1) Good looks
    2) Fi engine
    3) rear disc brakes
    4) many more i guess..

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    • #17
      One ZMA-R owner was asking me a ride on my ZMR .... Now you decide ..
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      • #18
        "But, if you want a long lasting technology then go in for the ZMR as the engine used in ZMA is more than a decade old."

        @ indercool

        engine in zmr is same as in zma, there is no mechanical differences except the FI.
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        • #19
          a realistic comparson

          pros of a zmr -

          1. FI - better effieciency , performs better in the hills
          2. brakes - disks at both ends making braking better
          3. looks are subjective
          4.speedo is more accurate and is completely digital
          5.tubeless tyres
          6. Horn is much better

          cons
          1. the bike costs 22k extra
          2. the full fairing does not help with stability as people claim, I have a Zma and have ridden a Zmr and stability when it comes to cross winds is poor - sways more than a Zma because of the full fairing. same issue with water crossings(leh .
          3. Groubd clearance is less(Zma remove the lower fairing and ground clearance is excellent)
          4. weighs 10kgs more and is nto as flickable as a zma.
          5. spares are really hard to find(next to impossible) finding spares for the old zma in itself is a pauin and with the zmr - forget it.
          6. first lot had some issue with the fuel pump- last heard the issue was rectified - but any issue and your bike stays at the service station for weeks - if you are stranded ion the highway - then a pickup truck is your only option and no mechanic will touch the bike.


          Pros of Zma
          1. Lighter and better flickability
          2. better ground clearance and slightly better stability
          3. can be repaired anywhre
          4. Engine is as smooth as a zmr


          Cons of a ZMa

          1. no FI - low fuel efficiency especially when you are ripping
          2. no tubeless tyres(can be changed later)
          3. Rear drums suck(especially at high speeds)
          4. spares parts can be a pain to find (yellow color)
          5.pathetic horn
          6. bike might be phased out(spares are 90% same for the zmr and we can use it but till can be a pain)

          Is the zmr worth the 22k extra - my answe is no. both bikes are very similar and pros and cons are similar as well but paying 22k extra for the same engine with no extra power is not fair. ride both the bikes and decide. if you get the Zma you have 22k to spend on good gear or on long rides
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          • #20
            I would rather go for an R15 instead of ZMR. The R15 is much faster & more flickable in cities due to its low weight.


            But if you want to save money but dont want any compromise on power then ZMA-R anyday. The ZMR has just got a 0.X bhp power increase over ZMA. Although the technology comes with a price. I dont think that the price is justified & spending 22k more for just FI & 0.X bhp rise in power doesnt make sense.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by steveburnside2001 View Post
              a realistic comparson

              pros of a zmr -

              1. FI - better effieciency , performs better in the hills
              2. brakes - disks at both ends making braking better
              3. looks are subjective
              4.speedo is more accurate and is completely digital
              5.tubeless tyres
              6. Horn is much better

              cons
              1. the bike costs 22k extra
              2. the full fairing does not help with stability as people claim, I have a Zma and have ridden a Zmr and stability when it comes to cross winds is poor - sways more than a Zma because of the full fairing. same issue with water crossings(leh .Apart from very harsh cross winds you can drive Full faired bikes with ease in cross winds.
              3. Groubd clearance is less(Zma remove the lower fairing and ground clearance is excellent)Being a full faired bike it still has pretty good ground clearance. unless you really drive in big pot holes very badly. I personally have never hit the ground due to ground clearance
              4. weighs 10kgs more and is nto as flickable as a zma.If you divide 10kgs to the overall dimensions of the bike it is very less.
              5. spares are really hard to find(next to impossible) finding spares for the old zma in itself is a pauin and with the zmr - forget it.Agreed. Getting spare parts is a pain in HH especially for Karizma.
              6. first lot had some issue with the fuel pump- last heard the issue was rectified - but any issue and your bike stays at the service station for weeks - if you are stranded ion the highway - then a pickup truck is your only option and no mechanic will touch the bike.


              Pros of Zma
              1. Lighter and better flickability
              2. better ground clearance and slightly better stability
              3. can be repaired anywhre
              4. Engine is as smooth as a zmr


              Cons of a ZMa

              1. no FI - low fuel efficiency especially when you are ripping
              2. no tubeless tyres(can be changed later)
              3. Rear drums suck(especially at high speeds)
              4. spares parts can be a pain to find (yellow color)
              5.pathetic horn
              6. bike might be phased out(spares are 90% same for the zmr and we can use it but till can be a pain)

              Is the zmr worth the 22k extra - my answe is no. both bikes are very similar and pros and cons are similar as well but paying 22k extra for the same engine with no extra power is not fair. ride both the bikes and decide. if you get the Zma you have 22k to spend on good gear or on long rides
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              • #22
                i own a zma and zmr both and i would say both are excellent...

                ZMA just got better with ZMR

                rest ur call...
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                • #23
                  Long live xBHP and its members.... Thanks a lot for all your opinions. I will take a ride on both the bikes and decide .

                  @steveburnside2001-
                  1) "Zma you have 22k to spend on good gear or on long rides"
                  I truly agree with this. I can own a good bike plus safely gears to wear

                  2) "spares parts can be a pain to find (yellow color)"
                  I loved the Karizma-R in yellow as it looked toooo sporty. Is it really true to get the yellow body parts ? If not yellow which color looks good on it... Black ?

                  3)bike might be phased out(spares are 90% same for the zmr and we can use it but till can be a pain)
                  Do you really think this will be phased out... HH is still selling Splendor

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by nmuruli View Post
                    3)bike might be phased out(spares are 90% same for the zmr and we can use it but till can be a pain)
                    Do you really think this will be phased out... HH is still selling Splendor
                    HH hardly phase out its model. so dont worry, its a karizma.
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                    • #25
                      my first bike zma ( 2006-2007 ), currently using zma-r since 2007. few days back i was going through this thread.so decided to have a ride of zmr of one of my friend. frankly speaking if you are zma or zma-r owner you will never upgrade it with zmr, coz its handling & pick-up is almost same as zma-r. so according to me zmr is no worth of spending more than 1 lac, untill & unless you want fully faired bike which displays your name on digital meter & welcomes you when you turn on the ignition & good bye's you when you turn it off. although it technically advanced than zma-r, but again 22k is too much for it....
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by anmol_1990 View Post
                        "But, if you want a long lasting technology then go in for the ZMR as the engine used in ZMA is more than a decade old."

                        @ indercool

                        engine in zmr is same as in zma, there is no mechanical differences except the FI.
                        there is the difference ...the ZMR has .5 bhp more then ZMA
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                        • #27
                          The FI engine of ZMR is really worth. It is a gem. I would prefer a ZMA-R with FI engine, i-GRS shocks, digi-console, split handle bar, rear disc, and tubeless tyres at 1 lakh on-road.
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                          • #28
                            ZMR fairing is not just for style. Fairing protects legs. And it is quite strong. I like it as much as I like the other goodies on the bike.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rohitsapru View Post
                              Fairing protects legs.


                              Heard about something called leg-guard/crash guard?

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                              • #30
                                LOL, someone please explain to me how to fairing protects the legs????? LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL
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