alright.......i've been through all sorts of research until now...
I'll get my money,by the end of this month.
80% chance now for the new apache rtr 160.
considered the mileage factor.that is why i dropped the 180.
i'll let you guys informed,whatever bike i buy(ie,fz-s or rtr160)....

if possible buy rtr 180,mileage difference is hardly 3-5 kmpl,but you get a better ride.

First decide you want superb handling and macho styling or agility....in my personal experience on both the machines Apache is not that good handling machine and in terms of looks though its subjective it doesn't comes near FZ series...and more of all please go for a test ride for the real feel....if you want raw power only go for Pulsars like 200ns or 220...mileage factor will almost be same..I have a Fazer and before buying that I had test ridden both of these and I can say refinement and performance wise Yamaha is way ahead than TVS....mileage wont be a big concern if you drive properly as I am getting around 43-44 in the city itself...

not really if you pit fz series against rtr series.

Hey man,

People here are having great dig on FZ. Bit of increase in displacement and bit of more power is not the matter. It's the product.

Jusst go and see the number of threads for FZ compared to Apache 180, you will be surpised.

Just think about Yamaha Rx 100. The 15 year old even sells for its cost price on second hand.

You must also understand that Fz is a proven bike which resurrected Yamaha company. Just don't compensate for a bit higher power and cc and whatever low or high-end they speak blah blah.

TVS guys can't keep their bikes for more than 5 years right from TVS fiero and apache 150 and now soon they may disappear apache 160.

I will tell you go for FZ and you will not regret and you will save money with peace of mind.

The only thing is SVC guys, they are not upto the standard but still if you want your bike to stay long and well with you then go for FZ.

so you choose a bike according to the no of post?
a bit higher power....gosh man...you are yet to ride a rtr i guess
a 5 year cycle is good for a product right?
you are paying premium over normal 150 cc and your fuel expenses of fz are almost equal to rtr.so how are you saving money?

Even though 150 vs 150 cc has been done to death. For your sake here are a few liners from my end:

FZ/Fazer/FZ-S:

The Good Side:
1) Low end grunt
2) Super fun at cornering very confidence inspiring thanks to rear tire.
3) Refined engine
4) Grippy tires
5) Mileage around 40-45 kmpl based on riding habits
6) Spare parts not that expensive
7) Robust engine and good braking power even with a drum at the back. My stock brakes are still strong even after 22,000 kms.

The Bad Side:
1) Tires are soft compound.. Doesn't like pot holed and nail loaded roads.
2) Post 85 kmph struggles to hit 90+ kmph and beyond
3) If run in not done properly, mileage goes down drastically to 28-30s kmpl
4) Poor 35 watt headlight not good for highways.


RTRs

The Good Side
1) Good fun with power at the top end.
2) Availability of ABS as an option
3) Mileage pretty decent
4) Parts also not that expensive
5)Price point better.
6) Cornering not that bad

The Bad Side
1) Vibey engine compared to Yamaha's
2) Don't like the low end torque
3) Stock TVS tires suck and are prone to slipping when raining. Change to MRFs
4) Not sure about the quality control, the RTR owners can fill in on this one.


Cheers,

I am not saying you to buy Apache RTR Series ...
but as i own it i will tell you my honest review about bike

Handling, As good as you can bend it... one of the most easiest zig zagger i can say even on traffic...

Pick up :- Incomparable.

Cornering :- Easily in category of NS & Duke... its Fun & easy to do cornering..

Braking :- Again, the best Brakes available in Indian Market (Without ABS), With ABS there is no match ...

Mid End Torque :- Very Good. Won't dissapoint you...



Cons are As below ,

Viby Engine at Certain RPM's ...
After 110km/h Bike doesn't seems to be gripping on Road very hard, feel like you will be flying offf sooon
Heavy Rain & rear Tyre will be on air again

RTR wont dissapoint you in any Case for sure, very fun loving Riding bike .. \m/

I was talking about spending 95k on Apache RTR ABS, it is better to buy FZ-S for 82k and save money. And about mileage, the new Yamaha FZ-S will give 45km/l.

Finally I want to say that you must understand why FZ is so costly because it is reliable. people still buy it because it is Yamaha. As RX still sells so will FZ

Long live YAMAHA

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I recommend Going for FZ against Apache...

To: The Thread Starter,

FZ16 is anytime a better product over the RTRs, (Just assuming that you are looking to buy a bike to be your everyday companion and not for racing purpose)

Reason,

1) RTR 180 is quicker than FZ by a few secs, is that a deciding factor to you? are you going to hit 0-100Kmph in xxyy secs every time?

2) FZ has the best handling capabilities next to the R15 and the RTR can never be a match to it for smooth daily rides. At 100Kph you have more road stability and confidence than the RTR.

3) FZ has the best suspension system for daily rides, coz RTRs are stiffer and track oriented.

4) To my eyes the FZ is always a tad better than any street bike out there, get the FZ in a new shade and you are sure to be noticed.

5) Mileage almost the same.

6) On the FZ you sail smooth and stress-free unlike the RTR with its unpleasant vibrations, which may annoy you in a period of time.

7) Even without ABS the FZ offers a quick and sharp bite and never heard/witnessed brake locking.

8) Engine refinement, FZ is from YAMAHA and RTR is from TVS, you should be knowing the difference.

In simple terms if you get the FZ you will be a silent....happy man, Riding everyday just like having coffee with your loved one on a Sunday evening. Whereas with the RTR your ride becomes a rola-costa everyday, good for a short spin and not advisable for a longer commitment.

I have personal experience on both the machines.
According to me both are very different in specification and performance,
in FZ u ll get very smooth engine, cool styling, but lags in power and throttle response.

In RTR u ll get brute power, very excellent throttle response, advanced features like petal disc brakes on front and rear,ABS(optional) Super meter console with facility to store three high speeds and 0-60 timing, and very comfortable riding posture for ur height, Quality is not a matter if u r a good rider maintain ur bike with out skipping periodic services.the only corn i found in rtr is the vibration, what ever u do , how ever u maintain vibration will exist, it is nothing but inborn.

both the bikes are good in handling,and city riding. If u r an enthusiast seeking for better throttle response, touring ability, better high speed, u want to store ur high speeds, Advanced features like ABS, u dont worry about spending some extra k rupees U shoul go for apache.

If u want very smooth engine, u use only for daily commute, less price tag u should go for FZ S

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