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  • #61
    OK!!! So the Mileage part troubling you ...

    Well Wait for today I will confirm you about Mileage of my 180ABS 2012 Model, may be in night or tomorrow morning... today I will be done with my all sort of testing & all with my bike regarding mileage...

    And Result Will Surprise you (I will provide Proof if you want)...

    Looking at your requirement i don't think Apache is what a Complete package for you, if you can running sanely & wants to Enjoy every bit of ride then only choose Apache!!! About Lady Pillion its hard to say, as my gf is comfortable with the position but don't know about other, even my friends are comfirtable (experienced max 130km with Lady & 100km with Male Pillion...)

    Where as FZ Will justify your requirement without telling you much difference in Power (as Obvious, only if you are experienced Rider & have ridden Apache), So i am pretty sure you won't regret a bit by FZ too...

    As you said too, RTR is very Exciting, Believe on my word but that doesn't mean you should consider only this factor & on every Traffic light you will be leading for sure & flick-able too With good Brakes, FZ can give you very Comfort & Smooth Ride full of dudeness

    Choose Whatever Both Will be a Good Choice Without a doubt! If you are Ready to ride a Bike According to what its Make for (Applicable to Both)

    You Cann'ot Expect FZ to Lead every time & to Flick it Zig Zag in Heavy Traffic Teasing Cars & Trucks on other you Can't Expect Apache too not give you Body Message when you don't Want or you are in Defence Mood

    Pride & Prejudice: Ladakh Ride,

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Nithyan.S View Post
      AND YEA....IT IS Fz-s i like more regardind looks,but fz has become a very common bike nowadys right?? didnt see the new apache much on he streets.
      Hahaha, did you so too many FZs on road? Surely why not. The best bikes are always seen in more numbers. First I want to ask you for how many years you want to keep your bike?

      1-3 years then go for apache RTR 180 not 160

      3-10 years then go for FZ

      Simple

      Because these TVS guys have no barosa they disappear their bikes very very fast. Fireo F2 stayed for 2 years and so was Apache 150 and now they will disappear RTR 160.

      Doesn't matter if they disappear any bike but the main problem is that they even disappear the parts and those who bought the bike spending all their money have to run here and there like crazy people.

      I'm also about to give the mileage details after my first service. Pre First service I got mileage of 40.9 and 41.9 and on the third filling, reserve to reserve checking I have got already 44km/l till now and the bike is still with fuel knob on ON position. Wait I'll also surprise you with mileage results
      Last edited by jonahmano; 07-17-2012, 02:29 PM.

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      • #63
        @ somen1984 : bro....its only apache or fz...no others...thanks for the genuine reply,bt i only want to choose among these.

        @shahbaz63 : thanx a lot man....I'm eagerly waiting for your update about the RTR mileage figures.....do me this favor also....ask the rtr160 friends you have,about its average...Some say,it is just 4 or 5 kmpl more than rtr180...some claim to get above 50 kmpl....indeed it depends on the way we ride,still how much can we expect from the rtr160?

        @jonahmano : dude...you seemed to be be very proud about the fz....
        i love the fz too.....but hey,I didn't say,there are less apaches on the road..there are as much apaches just like fzs....I mentionied about the NEW rtr series....
        I was talking about,that feel you know,when you stay different from the general crowd...thats possible with new rtr...thats all....

        AND GUYS....I'M GOING TO THE TVS SHOWROOM TOMOROW...LET ME DRIVE THE NEW ENTRANTS....I'LL GET YOU GUYS UPADATED...

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        • #64
          RTR 160 if driven @speeds of 50~60 kmph will return 45-50 kmpl even after 50k kms on ODO (ofcourse it depends on riders weight as well )
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          • #65
            Mileage report after first service

            Reserve to Reserve checking

            ODO Reading: ~650 kms
            Fuel poured: 3 litres
            Trip Reading at Reserve: 144
            Mileage: 144/3 = 48 km/l

            Riding style

            Gear changing: 3.5-5k
            Speed limit: 45-55 km/hr (sometimes kissing 60)
            Traffic conditions: Mostly City Traffic

            @NS, Haven't seen as many RTRs as FZs here in Kerala but I won't force you to buy FZ. I think all have placed their words rightly and they are very much enough for you to make a choice.

            Waiting to see the babe chosen by you

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            • #66
              wow 48kmpl is a good number.
              My bike is 37K kms old and it returns around 42kmpl riding at avg of 70 kmph....
              With sane riding(at 50-60kmph),it has never gone above 45 kmpl.funny thing is I have never ridden it sanely after my 2nd servicing...
              HH Dawn - TVS Star City - Yamaha Gladiator - TVS RTR 180 - Honda CBR 250R - Yamaha R3

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Nithyan.S View Post
                1) mileage more than 45 kmpl
                2) must be comfortable for a lady pillion rider..
                3) looks,(t is subjective..i know)
                4) excellent power...I'm mainly a city rider...dont think i'll be riding above 100 kmph....still 0 to 100 must be a very good experience.
                5) my budget is 80000
                1) Both FZ and RTR160 won't give you more than 40kmpl in the city practically speaking.
                2) Both will do albeit FZ would be better.
                3) Subjective although FZ again scores more points here and is definitely "a looker".
                4) RTR160 scores over FZ clearly when it comes to power. FZ wont satisfy if you want "excellent power".
                5) Both are within.

                I would say all 5 points would not be met by these two. For you the best 2 choices which would satisfy all the 5 requirements (may be not fully) are
                1) GS 150R -
                +ves -> Excellent machine. Excellent mileage in 150cc bikes. Nice digital console. Very comfortably within your budget.
                -ves -> Very less service centers, spare parts availability might be problematic, very heavy for city riding but manageable.
                2) P135 -
                +ves -> 4valved engine, Deadly mileage-power combo just unmatchable, light and flickable, Will save your hard earned money, good service network
                -ves -> Looks small if you're tall, hard rear seat not so comfy for pillion.
                Last edited by Enthusiastic; 07-18-2012, 12:21 AM.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
                  1) Both FZ and RTR160 won't give you more than 40kmpl in the city practically speaking.
                  Don't be so blind, I just posted that I got 48 km/l in city. Even if there is any error it would be ~45km/l

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by jonahmano View Post
                    Don't be so blind, I just posted that I got 48 km/l in city. Even if there is any error it would be ~45km/l
                    My FZ has never given me more than 38 kmpl

                    On top of it very soon you will start feeling that you want more power especially when riding with a pillion.

                    Go for RTR 180. Don't know why all are suggesting RTR160 when the thread is a comparo b/w FZ and RTR180. Or did i miss anything?
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by jonahmano View Post
                      Don't be so blind, I just posted that I got 48 km/l in city. Even if there is any error it would be ~45km/l
                      I am not blind sir. You are exhagerrating. Nothing wrong in it. All the owners do. A friend of mine owns FZS and gets 33-35kmpl under normal city riding. He got 27kmpl once when he did not ride so sanely. Wonder how you're getting 48kmpl
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
                        I am not blind sir. You are exhagerrating. Nothing wrong in it. All the owners do. A friend of mine owns FZS and gets 33-35kmpl under normal city riding. He got 27kmpl once when he did not ride so sanely. Wonder how you're getting 48kmpl
                        I too am surprised when some FZ owners claim average of more than 40km/ltr. I owned a FZ for 6 months (15000 KMs) and never did it give me more than 35-37 km/ltr. Needless to say I tried riding sanely too still mileage was never more than 37 km/ltr.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
                          I am not blind sir. You are exhagerrating. Nothing wrong in it. All the owners do. A friend of mine owns FZS and gets 33-35kmpl under normal city riding. He got 27kmpl once when he did not ride so sanely. Wonder how you're getting 48kmpl
                          Maybe your friend is using the old model FZ-S. One of my friend compared his old FZ to mine and he found that my engine was smaller than his and when he rode he felt that my bike had less power. Other friend told me that an insider from Yamaha mentioned about new carburettor fitted to the latest model (May 2012).

                          Anyways I got 41 km/l at first filling which was 10 litres and that stage my bike was just hardly 450km old. On second filling for 3 litres it gave me 42 km/l and after the first service and oil change at 3rd filling it gave me 48 km/l. If you can wait for 1 week then surely I will be stating how much it gave on 4th filling.

                          Considering all the three fills, it gave more than 40 km/l and it was city traffic and not highway (except some nights when there is not traffic at all). And since my bike is 650 odd km on ODO and in run-in period, I am cruising at 48-55 km/hr and is that not enough for a city riding?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
                            I am not blind sir. You are exhagerrating. Nothing wrong in it. All the owners do. A friend of mine owns FZS and gets 33-35kmpl under normal city riding. He got 27kmpl once when he did not ride so sanely. Wonder how you're getting 48kmpl
                            There is no fanboyism dude!!

                            Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                            I too am surprised when some FZ owners claim average of more than 40km/ltr. I owned a FZ for 6 months (15000 KMs) and never did it give me more than 35-37 km/ltr. Needless to say I tried riding sanely too still mileage was never more than 37 km/ltr.
                            25kmpl, 3-35kmpl, is really something wrong!!

                            I guess bike should be shown to Yamaha or i when ever ask any FZ owner in my locality they say 40-45kmpl, none them say below 40kmpl!!

                            It's really strange how does you all get such a bad figures!!

                            I had driven my friends FZ when he was out od station that 2 months, it was fun riding a FZ on road, city or Highway! But never got below 40kmpl+/-, and averagely i ride in between 60-80kmph, to office!!
                            Last edited by Guest; 07-18-2012, 11:56 AM.

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                            • #74
                              On Mileage part i have one query, I think Mileage is heavily depends on a Rider first of all & other aspect like quality of fuel & Average RPM, Gear Shiftings etc,,,used also does matter... correct me if em wrong.

                              I have got 46 Average too in my Apache Beast 180 & I have seen Uncles Unicorn giving 60 where as same model of my friend gives 50 because he is stunter & moron rider.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
                                I am not blind sir. You are exhagerrating. Nothing wrong in it. All the owners do. A friend of mine owns FZS and gets 33-35kmpl under normal city riding. He got 27kmpl once when he did not ride so sanely. Wonder how you're getting 48kmpl
                                Originally posted by jonahmano View Post
                                Maybe your friend is using the old model FZ-S. One of my friend compared his old FZ to mine and he found that my engine was smaller than his and when he rode he felt that my bike had less power. Other friend told me that an insider from Yamaha mentioned about new carburettor fitted to the latest model (May 2012)....... I am cruising at 48-55 km/hr and is that not enough for a city riding?
                                Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
                                There is no fanboyism dude!!

                                25kmpl, 3-35kmpl, is really something wrong!!

                                I guess bike should be shown to Yamaha or i when ever ask any FZ owner in my locality they say 40-45kmpl, none them say below 40kmpl!!

                                It's really strange how does you all get such a bad figures!!

                                I had driven my friends FZ when he was out od station that 2 months, it was fun riding a FZ on road, city or Highway! But never got below 40kmpl+/-, and averagely i ride in between 60-80kmph, to office!!
                                Calm down brothers. Its not polite saying one blind and all, I hope no offences are taken.
                                Coming to the point, newer FZs give more mileage compared to the older ones because Yamaha has reduced the torque figures for the new model. You can check this out for yourself comparing the old and new owner manuals.
                                So when a person says that the new batch isn't as powerful as the old ones, he's right.

                                If the older FZ gave 35 kmpl, new ones shall deliver ~40 under similar riding conditions.

                                @jonahmano - Suggest you to revert back with mileage figures based on the full tank to full tank method. Do it a couple of times and take average. It'd be helpful in the discussion. It may take time, but then it'll end the speculation and bashing for good.
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