some more help

was sure to take FZ but last minute doubts coz planning to keep it for a while
(test rode both but not satisfied, need opinion from long term users)

1. vibrations kick in after approx wat RPM ?
2. oil and plug to reduce vibes ?
3. price of fairing and headlight assy for Apache ?

i told everyone i know that i'll be taking the fz BUT....

Earlier there used to be a season when there were a lot of A160 vs P180 debates...Lately it has shifted to Apache vs teh FZ... but Apache 180 vs FZ ... heights of optimism

i really wonder wheather the topic starters buy the bike actually after the discussion or they just start, enjoy the "fights" and discussions and doze off

see if you need a bike for real performance get apache 180 no doubt.... if you need a good bike and need casual performance like sometime sometimes case then Get the FZ..

apache 180 is far ahead in performance than fz..

FZ is much better than apache 160..

Much better in what? Refinement and little advantage in handling yes, performance nope, mileage nope.

FZ better than apache RTR 160 - no ways man,id say both are equal but the RTR 160 having a slight edge over the two.apache RTR 180 beats the FZ in everything except refinement!and IMHO apache looks way better than FZ and the styling of the FZ has been inspired from FZ1 but the apache's styling is NOT taken from any bike whatsoever TVS guys have used their own creativity and have worked hard to create this bike so really hats off to them!!!...i dont wanna start a fight as i have said IMHO

since there were no answers for this i'll repeat again
1. vibrations kick in after approx wat RPM ?
2. oil and plug to reduce vibes ? (what do you guys recommend?)
3. price of fairing and headlight assy for Apache ?

(for 180)
fz 72000
fzs 74000
160 disc 70000
180 74000

see looks, more torque, much more comfortable, better tyres, reliability, engine refinement, does not gives much problem and braking..

Apache scores only in throttle response.. and slightly better performance... every review even states if you need only and only performance then get apache 160 else fz is a better package..

When people can compare fazer to pulsar 220 then anything can happen

I agree on whatever u say, except the looks, that is subjective. Slight performance ? you should check out with the RTR guys, RTR owners please chip in with your comments . You forgot to mention mileage.

PS:- FZ has one of the worst alloys on Indian bikes. Now dont tell me, light weight and all that crap.

Slight Performance!!!!!!...... RTR is way better than FZ. FZ tops only in terms of styling. They have the worst alloys....my friend has an FZ and both his alloys got bend within 3 months, so is the case with the handle bar. RTR has far better braking than FZ. Few probs of RTR is that rear tyre is of very bad quality and Vibes... vibes start at 60-70

Vibes start at 6.5 t0 7k rpm i.e at 60-70 speed.
i heard, by using synthetic oils vibes can be reduced to a limit

Looks are personal liking, one can like the shape of HERO PUCH more than the FZ.

FZ has torque but not better spread, it has loads of low end but the moment you pull the nuts off it, the bike dies, calls throttle modulation and shifts in the acceleration department.
FZ is great to putter around in city and cruising at 60-80, but if you want performance outta it, then sorry Boss.

FZ is comfortable courtsey the flatter, broad handle bars.

FZ scores better in refinement,relaibility but on braking terms RTR coulpled with the rear disc outshines the FZ.

I would like to know the "does not gives much problem" thing you mentioned, highlight the ares of problem for me please.

vibrations in FZ kicks in at around 7-7.5k in the fifth gear....
these vibes can be reduced by using semi- synth lubes
dont know about the price of the ehadlight assembly for apache but for fz it costs 900 bucks.....

Problems like when we speed up the bike for very few times the part above the silencer gets loosened and start making noise.. and of course the vibration problems..

Some other points which I consider them..

The gear shift is not so smooth as fz.. another thing is the silencer gets very hot and FZ silencer does not get hot so the pillion does not have to face accidental burns.. another thing is the opening of the seat which is so simple in fz and in apache you have to open some panel and then you have to pull a wire then seat gets open and it is a lot of hassle to put it back.. here the police check paper of bike so its get very annoying to take out paper and give..

FZ front braking is almost perfect I agree that apache with a rear will score more but in emergency situation Fz braking will be better..

one thing more People who are still using the same old yamaha oil should upgrade to the motul oil then check the difference in the bike pickup and acceleration..

Ride apache for an hour who are not habitual to it will face back ache for sure..

Apache scores on FZ over the throttle response it is just too awesome... and mileage figures ofcourse.. if you ride apache sanely then you will get 50-55 ride fz sanely then 45-50.. check out the fz ownership experience many people who ride sanely our getting that mileage.. apache has a better meter console..

Apache 180 is a way too good performer should be compared with performance bike likes the p220 and r15.. but for the sane city riders fz is a better choice and for performance biking apache rox!

@kukku035: used FZ for more than a year never faced any alloy problem I have a 2009 batch fz-s might be things have gone better..

last thing: R1 is nothing infront of hero puch when it comes to looks dude!

That's quite too childish Renny... even we are talking about a 153cc vs 160cc... definitely can't agree with the braking part... i can't agree many of your points...