The Official Pune Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[shrinathrao]

I hope this helps,

http://www.msf-usa.org/imsc/proceedings/b-Shuman-DoIBrakeorDoISwerve.pdf

Very nicely detailed regarding obstacles and handling...

Others can contribute too...

Check for testing results regarding speeds shown at the end of the document, you can match them up with Indian Bike speeds too.

This article and all doesnt help as much practical experience helps and thats what I am looking

[JAKRAP]

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[ritwik23]

@Shrinath: It is very much possible to maneuver at 100kmph to avoid obstacles. But it depends on the rider's reflexes (read muscle memory). So the best way to learn is to do it, albeit at a slower speed. Start off at say...50kmph. Then go on increasing your speed by 10kmph as you gain experience of counter steering at these speeds. However, please do read up on counter steering as well as vision. It is your vision that will save ur ass in a situation where you have to swerve to avoid something rather than your riding skill. If you can "SEE" a way out clearly, it will be easier for you to take action and maneuver your bike out of trouble. And lastly, the R15 can take anything, any speed. In most cases its the rider that is a limiting factor. Hope this helps.

Ritwik.

[darkknight]

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35 slots available on Jan 20,21 and 22.

All three levels are to be taken unlike last time. Prices have gone up by more than 50% y-o-y due to inflation, government policies, euro debt, farmer agitation, petrol prices and rupee depreciation!
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[ritwik23]

one of the MUST-DO items on my list every year -- but never materialises as long tour is done in nov-dec than jan becomes too early for leaves

last year was the best in terms of affordability I guess

True that. 16 grand for 3 days of fun on the track was well worth it. They just HAD to spoil the fun now

[antz.bin]

@Shrinath: It is very much possible to maneuver at 100kmph to avoid obstacles. But it depends on the rider's reflexes (read muscle memory). So the best way to learn is to do it, albeit at a slower speed. Start off at say...50kmph. Then go on increasing your speed by 10kmph as you gain experience of counter steering at these speeds. However, please do read up on counter steering as well as vision. It is your vision that will save ur ass in a situation where you have to swerve to avoid something rather than your riding skill. If you can "SEE" a way out clearly, it will be easier for you to take action and maneuver your bike out of trouble. And lastly, the R15 can take anything, any speed. In most cases its the rider that is a limiting factor. Hope this helps.

Ritwik.

The first time I actually felt counter-steering doing its thing... I was doing 130+ on Mysore-Bangalore highway (And really didn't want to slow down for a lonnng sweeeping corner). Before that happened, all the time I used to wonder.. 'Yeh kya bawaal hai counter-steering jidhar handle modo udhar mudti hai.. usme naya kya hai?' even though I had read about it a thousand times(exaggeration used, kindly excuse).

Moral of the story: The basic thing about counter-steering is, to really feel it happen, you have to go fast. But as long as your conscious mind doesn't how it happens, you will never be able to go fast... Vicious cycle.

[trustvishwas]

@ Antz - are you suggesting that Shrinath should try contersteering at 130 kmph ?

[Eshan-P180]

The first time I actually felt counter-steering doing its thing... I was doing 130+ on Mysore-Bangalore highway (And really didn't want to slow down for a lonnng sweeeping corner). Before that happened, all the time I used to wonder.. 'Yeh kya bawaal hai counter-steering jidhar handle modo udhar mudti hai.. usme naya kya hai?' even though I had read about it a thousand times(exaggeration used, kindly excuse).

Moral of the story: The basic thing about counter-steering is, to really feel it happen, you have to go fast. But as long as your conscious mind doesn't how it happens, you will never be able to go fast... Vicious cycle.

My 2 cents..Since its a personal experience.

Counter-steering can also be experienced in turns which have wide exits, that is exactly when you entered a narrow turn which is banking inside but has an exit which is quite wide open ( this is the time where you pin the throttle) during this activity the handle will be pointing or rather aiming in the opposite direction of the turn. Speeds, the faster the better....

Apart from counter-steering I also work on the vision part when there is a sudden obstacle in between. I agree with Ritwik, if you seen an escape route then go for it in such scenarios. Rest leave it on the brain as it will automatically trace the path after your vision is locked on the escape route.
Sudden braking will send you flying, be it 130 or even 50-60 kmph (Since most of us do not have ABS, Atleast I dont)....

Also dont keep looking all the time at pin stripes which keep passing, look around too especially intersections and lane starts...These are areas where intrusion can be expected and have overall control of bike too.

[satyenpoojary]

Take a Royal Enfield and try chase Sagar. Thats the easiest way to try all the steers!

CounterSteer - Happens in almost all turns if you can make it to come back and read this :P
Oversteer - Happens in some tight corners
Understeer- Happens in what looked like the everyday cake walk corner


Nice to to see sensible posts back on the thread!

[shrinathrao]

The first time I actually felt counter-steering doing its thing... I was doing 130+ on Mysore-Bangalore highway (And really didn't want to slow down for a lonnng sweeeping corner). Before that happened, all the time I used to wonder.. 'Yeh kya bawaal hai counter-steering jidhar handle modo udhar mudti hai.. usme naya kya hai?' even though I had read about it a thousand times(exaggeration used, kindly excuse).

Moral of the story: The basic thing about counter-steering is, to really feel it happen, you have to go fast. But as long as your conscious mind doesn't how it happens, you will never be able to go fast... Vicious cycle.

I am doing it but at low speeds and its observed when i do consciously i brake a bit, but otherwise when i am doing unconsciously i downshift and do it and those times my bike makes me feel i am gonna touch my shoulder on ground its so fast.

[RedFlash]

I still don't get the counter steering thingy


Rocket science is easier to understand

[RedFlash]

Now I Get it :

Countersteering - YouTube


It is so easy to understand when simplified.

[siddharth_ZMR]

Hi,

What is the time and location for next G2G... Motocafe? 8:30 pm??

[rohitlc]

Next G2G will be on saturday . Details will be uploaded tonight.

[siddharth_ZMR]

Next G2G will be on saturday . Details will be uploaded tonight.

Damn!!! Am i Destined to miss these Informative G2G... Going out on Friday for audit assignment..