The Official Pune Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[kartikpai]

If you dont have options in india, than its the way out, and i never said those lubes are locally manufactured in thailand.

I guess you did not get the sarcasm behind these two words -- lubes and thailand

[shrinathrao]

I guess you did not get the sarcasm behind these two words -- lubes and thailand

See, its a fact that we dont get quality lubes here in india as per our requirements, i have procured many items from thailand not only for my R15 but for some bullets, shoguns and rx100 too and they all are doing good and running well. The raceparts manufactured in thailand are imported in india by many biggies and used in the bikes you and i use so next time i would say you dont buy any bike from any japan manufacturer at all if you are against parts/lubes manufactured in thailand


And if you are talking off the topic related to your sarcasm than i would say this is a wrong place to talk about it.

A word about dry lubes here...

These are generally based on the remarkable lube properties of carbon. Not the sparkler allotrope on fingers/earlobes/noses(earlier) and navels/c********s etc etc{(nowadays) I have yet to know of some moron piercing his d**k with a diamond but you never know..)} but the graphite and amorphous one. Lube carbon is static-free, rubber and metal friendly and quite benign.

One caveat is that its application is best suited for atmospherically suppressed/contained environments. When used under these conditions, lube carbon retains its lube properties wonderfully. But if exposed to the environment, there is a dangerous transformation. The carbon in the lube mixes up with atmospheric impurities to form an excellent ABRASIVE mix very similar to the glass-based manja we have used in kite fights at Sankrant.

This is why one will find dry, well almost dry - the paste is peculiarly and bloody slippery but NOT wet - powder and paste based lubes in heavy machinery (dozers, armoured vehicles etc), aviation (control cables, bearings, shafts etc), marine (prop shaft bearings, cables etc) all of which operate in a contained environment. The fly-off of lube is contained within the application thereby needing minimum intervention for replenishment/replacement which in itself is based on chronological periodicity - 50 hours check/100 hour replacement/250 hour overhaul, for example.

Using such lubes on a bike chain would be ill advised due to the peculiar behaviour of carbon in open environments.

I can get the best dry lubes in the country courtesy my professional friends but then, where do I use them? Door hinges? Scissors?Clothing zippers?TV trolley castors? For that, I have my kids' 4B pencils!

Sir, Basically There are two groups of lubes on the market: wet, which are oil based; and dry which are wax, graphite, Teflon, etc based. Wet lubes are so called because they stay wet on the chain, and dry are so called because their carrier liquids evaporate to leave a dry lubricant on the chain.

It is a misconception that wet lubes are for wet conditions, and dry lubes for dry conditions - a good dry lube will, taking component wear and cleaning into consideration, 'out lube' a wet lube in all conditions. While a wet lube will perhaps obtain more distance its major disadvantages are that it attracts dirt like honey to a blanket, forms a grinding paste and is a pain in the neck to clean. In every instance, chains lubed with wet lubes require regular degreasing for optimal performance.
Almost every dry lube on the market is formulated with the lubricant component dissolved in a carrier liquid, which is almost always some form of solvent mixture comprising benzene, propane, heptane, alcohol, acetone, etc. The net effect of this is that such solutions are saturated with too low a content of the lubricant; therefore, once it is applied to the chain, the end result is that the chain is left with too little lube

Read more: How do you lube motorcycle chain

[Eshan-P180]

@Shrinath - If you would have just asked me that you need that dry YamaLube, I would have directed you to Monarch Auto, they sell that white can stuff for Rs1670, Yep, Factory Racing Lube from Yamaha, why to source it from somewhere when its readily available. Kya Mamu, tum bhi.

EDIT- That white wax type chain spray we talking which is the ultimate one and best for YZF R15, its factory racing one, very costly but worth if you have those type of requirements.

[trustvishwas]

Basically There are two groups of lubes on the market: wet, which are oil based; and dry which are wax, graphite, Teflon, etc based. Wet lubes are so called because they stay wet on the chain, and dry are so called because their carrier liquids evaporate to leave a dry lubricant on the chain.

It is a misconception that wet lubes are for wet conditions, and dry lubes for dry conditions - a good dry lube will, taking component wear and cleaning into consideration, 'out lube' a wet lube in all conditions. While a wet lube will perhaps obtain more distance its major disadvantages are that it attracts dirt like honey to a blanket, forms a grinding paste and is a pain in the neck to clean. In every instance, chains lubed with wet lubes require regular degreasing for optimal performance.
Almost every dry lube on the market is formulated with the lubricant component dissolved in a carrier liquid, which is almost always some form of solvent mixture comprising benzene, propane, heptane, alcohol, acetone, etc. The net effect of this is that such solutions are saturated with too low a content of the lubricant; therefore, once it is applied to the chain, the end result is that the chain is left with too little lube

Isn't this passage a straight lift from - What you need to know about chain lubes | Racebitz Motorsport Product Development ?

I am not against lifting material from other source. Usually, when it is done, the source is mentioned.

[shrinathrao]

@Shrinath - If you would have just asked me that you need that dry YamaLube, I would have directed you to Monarch Auto, they sell that white can stuff for Rs1670, Yep, Factory Racing Lube from Yamaha, why to source it from somewhere when its readily available. Kya Mamu, tum bhi.

EDIT- That white wax type chain spray we talking which is the ultimate one and best for YZF R15, its factory racing one, very costly but worth if you have those type of requirements.

I am talking about this lube http://static.chaparral-racing.com/p...600/191156.jpg which i get for 400 rs which lasts longer than motul and keeps the chain free of dust.

Isn't this passage a straight lift from - What you need to know about chain lubes | Racebitz Motorsport Product Development ?

I am not against lifting material from other source. Usually, when it is done, the source is mentioned.

Sirji i have already mentioned the source from where the information is posted. please see my post. i will again post the link http: //wiki.answers.com/Q/ How_do_you_lube_motorcycle_chain#ixzz2AJ5nGuff remove the spaces to see the link.

[sidmclaren]

I am talking about this lube http://static.chaparral-racing.com/p...600/191156.jpg which i get for 400 rs which lasts longer than motul and keeps the chain free of dust.



Sirji i have already mentioned the source from where the information is posted. please see my post. i will again post the link http: //wiki.answers.com/Q/ How_do_you_lube_motorcycle_chain#ixzz2AJ5nGuff remove the spaces to see the link.

@shrinath bhau
From what I have learnt
Dry type lubes are used in Heavy Machinery just for the fact that oil gives up at high temprature (flash point) and the down time will cost much, plus dismantling just for lubrication is another issue.

As for car and bikes
Oil based lubricants
do well to preserve the part as they don't reach their flash point save the engine, and their is ease of periodic maintenance,
plus lesser downtime.

Now if dry type lubrication is used in Racing it is to save time and the limits to which the parts are stretched where as we hardly utilize bikes to 80% of their capability on a daily basis
Now why would anyone want to spend so much time and money on these things when you can get something cheap and durable and approved by the designers sitting and designing an Automobile.

On a positive note as i see it
Thank you for adding up to our knowledge base.

Plus I am curious to know
what difference did these imported lubricants have made to the steeds
in terms of durability, performance as compared to the oil based ones?
Also a cost comparison will help us to know better?
are there any substantial results you can show us here?

[trustvishwas]

Sirji i have already mentioned the source from where the information is posted. please see my post.

I stand corrected.

[nastrofaction]

@Shrinath : Thanks for your reply, am still checking with few other sources and lets see if something can work out.

On another note, just FYI, Daijya is not Marushin Helmets, checked with them after a headsup from @Jakrap.

[rohitlc]

Reminder : G2G ,Tonight at Grubshup at 8pm

[icemang]

@shrinath bhau
From what I have learnt
Dry type lubes are used in Heavy Machinery just for the fact that oil gives up at high temprature (flash point) and the down time will cost much, plus dismantling just for lubrication is another issue.

As for car and bikes
Oil based lubricants
do well to preserve the part as they don't reach their flash point save the engine, and their is ease of periodic maintenance,
plus lesser downtime.

Now if dry type lubrication is used in Racing it is to save time and the limits to which the parts are stretched where as we hardly utilize bikes to 80% of their capability on a daily basis
Now why would anyone want to spend so much time and money on these things when you can get something cheap and durable and approved by the designers sitting and designing an Automobile.

On a positive note as i see it
Thank you for adding up to our knowledge base.

Plus I am curious to know
what difference did these imported lubricants have made to the steeds
in terms of durability, performance as compared to the oil based ones?
Also a cost comparison will help us to know better?
are there any substantial results you can show us here?

Very succintly summarised there, Sid.

One of the most challenging applications for lubes is the aerospace industry.

One case which comes fresh to mind is that of the jet turbine engine main bearings. If my knowledge serves me right, the Tumansky R 25 engine on the MiG-21 BIS has about 4 main engine bearings supporting the compressor. This compresssor rotates at about 40,000 RPM from startup to shutdown, continuously for about 55 minutes. The heat in the compressor reaches temperatures in excess of 2000 degrees C. Under such hostile conditions, no off-the-shelf lube works. Therefore, TSAGI invented a radical lube which under STP is a heavy paste but when heated by engine bleed air and pumped to the bearings, becomes almost as thin as petrol. It pressure-lubes the bearings and keeps the engine running and the pilot alive.

Perhaps the best example of innovative lubes is that of the SR 71 Blackbird. A special fuel is used in this fantastic bird - JP - 7. The outer skin of the aircraft reaches 1500 degrees even at 100,000 ft and Mach 3.0. Absolutely no lube invented till TODAY, even for the US and Ruskie space program can do the job. The answer? The fuel is used to serve four critical roles - as a fuel for the engines, as HYDRAULIC fluid for the various pumps, as a lube for systems and as a heatsink to prevent the leading edges of the wings from vaporising. When the aircarft returns to saner operating conditions and need not be used to cool the skin, it is heated by bled-off engine air to work the four applications. At STP, the fuel is virtually inert - one can smoke around it, even heat it a bit but no danger. Only when it encounters the heat of the compressed air in the compressor does it come alive.

Its all here:

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=sr%20-%2071&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLockheed_SR-71_Blackbird&ei=WniLUK2uJ8jSrQeV_IHADg&usg=AFQjCNGXBjNEHRjbQzXVI3eV6TG69mjwYw

SR - 71 - Google Search

[niranjanvaidya]

Very succintly summarised there, Sid.

One of the most challenging applications for lubes is the aerospace industry.

One case which comes fresh to mind is that of the jet turbine engine main bearings. If my knowledge serves me right, the Tumansky R 25 engine on the MiG-21 BIS has about 4 main engine bearings supporting the compressor. This compresssor rotates at about 40,000 RPM from startup to shutdown, continuously for about 55 minutes. The heat in the compressor reaches temperatures in excess of 2000 degrees C. Under such hostile conditions, no off-the-shelf lube works. Therefore, TSAGI invented a radical lube which under STP is a heavy paste but when heated by engine bleed air and pumped to the bearings, becomes almost as thin as petrol. It pressure-lubes the bearings and keeps the engine running and the pilot alive.

Perhaps the best example of innovative lubes is that of the SR 71 Blackbird. A special fuel is used in this fantastic bird - JP - 7. The outer skin of the aircraft reaches 1500 degrees even at 100,000 ft and Mach 3.0. Absolutely no lube invented till TODAY, even for the US and Ruskie space program can do the job. The answer? The fuel is used to serve four critical roles - as a fuel for the engines, as HYDRAULIC fluid for the various pumps, as a lube for systems and as a heatsink to prevent the leading edges of the wings from vaporising. When the aircarft returns to saner operating conditions and need not be used to cool the skin, it is heated by bled-off engine air to work the four applications. At STP, the fuel is virtually inert - one can smoke around it, even heat it a bit but no danger. Only when it encounters the heat of the compressed air in the compressor does it come alive.

Its all here:

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=sr%20-%2071&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLockheed_SR-71_Blackbird&ei=WniLUK2uJ8jSrQeV_IHADg&usg=AFQjCNGXBjNEHRjbQzXVI3eV6TG69mjwYw

SR - 71 - Google Search

Good Information!

[kaushik60]

Hey!
I need some help from the local Pune folks. I'm trying to find a nice place to watch the Indian Grand Prix Live tomorrow afternoon. Is there any good sports bar/restaurant that will show it live? I stay at Chinchwad, but I don't mind going far if the place is worth it. Pls suggest.
Thanks!
Kaushik

[surojit]

Hey!
I need some help from the local Pune folks. I'm trying to find a nice place to watch the Indian Grand Prix Live tomorrow afternoon. Is there any good sports bar/restaurant that will show it live? I stay at Chinchwad, but I don't mind going far if the place is worth it. Pls suggest.
Thanks!
Kaushik

The Moto Cafe At Bavdhan....

[kaushik60]

The Moto Cafe At Bavdhan....

Thanks a lot for the suggestion. I'm with a few friends who might also like to have a drink as we watch the race. To my knowledge TMC doesn't serve alcohol, so I was hoping for some inputs on good sports bars. If I cant find one, then I will surely head over to TMC!

[siddharth_ZMR]

Thanks a lot for the suggestion. I'm with a few friends who might also like to have a drink as we watch the race. To my knowledge TMC doesn't serve alcohol, so I was hoping for some inputs on good sports bars. If I cant find one, then I will surely head over to TMC!

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