The Official Mumbai Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[antz.bin]

Everyone had a post count of 3 at some time, while others had much more than him.

Because you are riding like an idiot and crashes, even the best of riding gear won't give you a guarantee to save you, more specially on public roads.

If its a group ride then everyone got to ride at a speed comfortable with everyone. If one wants to ride at his own pace(that might not to possible for someone/others to maintain), either he should leave the group or ride alone.

Seriously! Did you not read? Both of us are saying the exact same thing!!

[nav75]

Seriously! Did you not read? Both of us are saying the exact same thing!!

I have said that long time back. Infact in my very first post in this thread, on this topic.
Did you seriously not read that?

[antz.bin]

I have said that long time back. Infact in my very first post in this thread, on this topic.
Did you seriously not read that?

My topic of discussion was making mistakes. Any body can make mistakes, even Rossi does. Your topic of discussion was education and protocol. While I might agree with you with with education and protocol. Since you are already covering that point, I would rather stick to my point that anybody can make mistakes, more so, people who are new. Your crash might not even be from your own mistake. But the one thing which has potential to save us from getting hurt in case we make a mistake (not necessarily ride like an idiot) is no longer compulsory. You have the right to not agree with me, but I have a right to have an opinion.

[me is rossi]

My 2 Rupees

I think when we started riding back in 2006, it was just helmets & a wind cheater!

Point is: we all were noobs, too broke to afford anything but petrol worth Rs.35/Ltr (then...kya din the yaar!) then Brands like shoei, arai, A* were distantly heard seen on SBK riding rich boys in bandra or in motoGP!
Bang! came something called as DSG! with a jacket worth Rs.4900! all of a suddenly every xbhpian remembered safety! Was it snob value attached to gears that caught our imagination or Safety!? that still remains unanswered...Slowly but steadily motorcyclesuperstore.com became a bible & other sites flodded our market.
THe roads were the way they were when my friends dad rode his 37BHP RD350HT or his friend rode a YEzdi 250cl or when my dad & his friend rode their Bullet 350 (25BHP) or when we rode zma(17bhp) P-180 ug3(16.9BHP).

But now along with powerful bikes the roads have also improved; Last weekend(holi) I rode with my wife to tarkarli, we both for the first time wore A* riding jackets and both wore protective helmets and gloves for 1100 kms. It felt stuffy by the end of the journey, but it really gave us sense of protection & Confidence throughout at least 4 ghats that we crossed each way. The entire group was cruising above 90km/hr thorugh out the journey thanks to the NH-4 while going and NH-17 while coming.of course me on the CBR and 220 were able to cruise at much higher speeds effortlessly! point is safety has never been so important than today!

+1 to gopi; briefing a complete newbie is absolutely essential and the simplest way to communicate safety.

I have said that long time back. Infact in my very first post in this thread, on this topic.
Did you seriously not read that?

Epic discussion.

[nav75]

@Antz: There is a reason why legal minimum age limit to use a motor vehicle is what it is. No its not like the moment you turn into legal age of riding, that over night you have gained some enlightenment as a b'day present. I'm sure you would know the reason.

Imagine yourself riding 10-15 years or even earlier. There were no riding jackets/riding pants/riding boots to save one self. Still, those who rode back then didn't got killed in road accidents neither those who rode back then got wiped off the earth's surface.
What saved them was not the riding gear but knowing the right way to ride and ride within safe the limitations.

Not saying accidents didn't happen then. They did and they still happen. People got injured and they continue to happen (wearing or not wearing riding gear). Riding gear just adds some extra protection that's it. As I said, more than making riding gear compulsory(after all we all are adults). I'll say lets work on improving our riding so that we don't have to put the riding gear to test.

When today kids start to learn, how to ride a bicycle, we don't make them wear a full riding suite. Why not? After all they are most prone to fall.

[darkknight]

Bas go gaya
seems nav & antz are haunting p200 & mumbai thread

Call next g2g to all & sundry including fb riders for a " live " discussion

Story khatam

[Horror]

LOL! Where the hell is discussion going now?! Its funny to think we were discussing getting the noobs to understand our 'protocol' and then have this discussion which in essence is saying 'Wait... what was our protocol again?'. Ahahahahahahahahaaha!

@DK: Warranted. I need to increase my post count to appear more verile to women who silently stalk for the alpha males on our forums (of course I'm dreaming). But to be honest, I think an occassional revisit to the basics is probably a good idea, maybe a pre-written post that is revived from time to time so new people understand why we cry so much about group riding policies. Btw this wasn't just about gears - it had more to do with group riding protocols, ethics and being sensitive to riders in distress. We have an inherent culture that tends to be forgotten either because people don't know about it / never heard of it or because its been circumvented for whatever reasons. Satyen is trying to do two things (I assume)

1) Revive a discussion on the importance of a group riding culture (of watching each others back ALWAYS) so that those who've just been inducted into xbhp know of it
2) Reduce the entry barriers that cause people to circumvent the guidelines so that less people are inclined to create sub-groups and sub-standard riding cultures and more people have a better chance of walking away from potential dangers by learning from our experience.

PS: Yes a lot of us do have gears now, however what is SORELY lacking is an appreciation for group riding protocols and a sense of co-dependence. Instead its me vs him, my FFE is better than your FFE, I did 155+ on a downhill, I corner better than you, my Ninja 650 is better than your puny R-15 (including snooty posts on Facebook) etc. I'm very against this - especially the Ninja 650 related posts. I propose we ban the Ninja 650s from xbhp all together.

mishraji first you ask where this discussion is going? and look where your post has lead, from the topic banning a certain ninja 650....hehehe .... And Satyenji, thanks to you this thread is now more active than ever! (no offence to anyone)

But on a serious note, I think that for short rides like 150km's no riding gear is all-right, but any longer than that riding gear should be compulsory.

[joelkraju]

Bas go gaya
seems nav & antz are haunting p200 & mumbai thread

Call next g2g to all & sundry including fb riders for a " live " discussion

Story khatam

Lonavla kaisa rahega?Next mega G2G?? :P

[Horror]

Anyone coming on 18th? There would be some G2G happening on the 18th na???

[Centaur]

mishraji first you ask where this discussion is going? and look where your post has lead, from the topic banning a certain ninja 650....hehehe .... And Satyenji, thanks to you this thread is now more active than ever! (no offence to anyone)

But on a serious note, I think that for short rides like 150km's no riding gear is all-right, but any longer than that riding gear should be compulsory.

Well, I, for one, wear at least the basic gear (helmet, jacket and gloves) for my daily commute to office... but then again, maybe I'm just an old, paranoid biker

... and yes, until the helmet rule came into force, the only protection I had from head injury was my thick skull and a cap

[saurabhjd]

ooops i am late

anyway, in some ways i am with satyen.......... because, when i was new to xbhp (not riding though ), i so badly wanted to go on group rides but could not, because i did not have proper gear. i used to do solo rides then, because i was scared of the embarrassment of being turned down for a ride. and also i had that thought, "last ten years nothing had happened without gear, so bhaad mein gaya gear ". and surprisingly affordability perspective changes from person to person, although it was an issue for me. many think why spend so much on jacket (even if they have that much money !!!) they will rather spend it on a night out in pub or something, get drunk and crash while going back home !!!

at start, i could only go for in city g2g, and after seeing all the fellow bikers well kitted up, its only then I realised the importance of Riding Gear. so, it actually took me a few months to actually gather all the gear and go on group rides. and now i am a fan of riding gear . I do support ATGATT.

But its only when OTHERS will ride with us or be friends with us, they will realise the importance of riding gear. or else they will keep looking at us like aliens (we are used to that look don't we !!!!) they will keep on asking us questions and questions and more questions about our attire (we are used to this don't we ). some local rossi will get excited by looking at us and would want to RACE with us or tease us. he has no idea about what extent he is risking his as well as our lives. but its only when he will actually ride with us, he will realise ATGATT. otherwise we will just be a bunch of rich brats who are trying show off.......... !!!!!!!!

[Horror]

Well, I, for one, wear at least the basic gear (helmet, jacket and gloves) for my daily commute to office... but then again, maybe I'm just an old, paranoid biker

... and yes, until the helmet rule came into force, the only protection I had from head injury was my thick skull and a cap

Well I too wear my riding gear to college everyday, because if there is one thing I have learnt,it's that mishaps on the road can occur anywhere and anytime. But if the rules had to be laxed a bit I would say that upto 150 kms, minimum gear could be allowed.

[viraj_s85]

Bas go gaya
seems nav & antz are haunting p200 & mumbai thread

Call next g2g to all & sundry including fb riders for a " live " discussion

Story khatam

Raje has spoken...

Sunday ko g2g plan kare DK Saheb???

[alankarmisra]

Well, I, for one, wear at least the basic gear (helmet, jacket and gloves) for my daily commute to office... but then again, maybe I'm just an old, paranoid biker

Stop calling yourself OLD!!! You're making it difficult for me to pretend to be young!! Furthermore, bikers doing 1000+ kilometers in one day, TWICE, aren't frikking old. If that is old then I wanna be old like NOW! Oh wait.... :P

PS: Welcome back. Glad everything went well! Congratulations!

[satyenpoojary]

Some very interesting perspectives there!
And btw, I do practise ATGATT too, so this laxing the rule isn't being proposed for my convenience or something!

Alankar has probably nailed it, minus the 650 part ofcourse :P

And yes this is proposed for short rides only... The other rules still continue to exist including the formation riding rules!