The Official Mumbai Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[satyenpoojary]

I'm gonna go ahead and, based on my own personal experience, disagree with you on this one in a this-don't-work-for-me kinda way. Rather than give bias to the front brake and manage the oscillations, its simpler (for me!) to give bias to the rear brake and go into a power slide which will drag you linearly in the direction of your momentum - no oscillations to manage - just sit tight and go with the flow and of course hope the traction stops you before you hit the object you are trying to avoid.

With a front bias, the bike does oscillate but the oscillation is hardly predictable on account of gravel and other surface elements in the context of city riding at least. The gravel will usually accelerate the momentum in a specific direction and cause the rear to skid away from the machine leading to a fall. Even with a predictable outcome, its much more difficult to manage (for me!) than a simple linear powerslide. Edit: Furthermore considering the powerslide has leverage over the other method in a wider range of scenarios, I'd rather commit the powerslide to muscle memory than a selective front vs rear bias based on the surface conditions.

As for delta adjustments, those could be made in either case.

I had the habit of a front brake bias, fell twice on city streets, until a wise-old-fart advised me to go for a rear bias. I've also seen Spidey (not the wise-old-fart) use powerslides VERY effectively on our Leh trip managing to get out of situations where I would have most certainly collided (watching him powerslide convinced me its a worthwhile and effective technique for hard braking). And yeah, Spidey has a classic Karizma.

Gravel = Slippery You saying the same thing that he said!

PS: It isnt exactly powerslide!

[alankarmisra]

Gravel = Slippery You saying the same thing that he said!

PS: It isnt exactly powerslide!

Read my entire post! :P I'm saying even in the context of predictable oscillations ie NOT SLIPPERY its simpler go into a rear bias maneuver. EDIT: Furthermore, I'd rather commit one braking maneuver to muscle memory and since I don't see the front bias having any advantage over a rear bias (correct me if I'm wrong here), I'd rather make rear bias my preferred method.

As for whether it is or isnt a power slide, I guess I can get more gyaan on that from you when we meet next (or you are welcome to explain it to me here).

EDIT: OK I Wikipedia-ed it. I get why calling it a powerslide is wrong. Thank you for pointing that out!

[gsferrari]

Saw a couple of geared up riders on Pulsars on Airolli around 7:15am. I was in my white Gypsy. One of the bikes had it's front wheel out of line with the rear wheel so I caught up with him and gestured to him that something was wrong. If it was one of you and you remember the incident - How can you not realize that your wheels are running in different tracks from each other? Doesn't the bike try to slide everytime you brake?

Please, at the very least, walk around the bikes once before you set off on any ride!

[gsferrari]

Read my entire post! :P I'm saying even in the context of predictable oscillations ie NOT SLIPPERY its simpler go into a rear bias maneuver. EDIT: Furthermore, I'd rather commit one braking maneuver to muscle memory and since I don't see the front bias having any advantage over a rear bias (correct me if I'm wrong here), I'd rather make rear bias my preferred method.!

Permission to prove you wrong?

Get to an empty stretch of tarmac where you can do this safely with no traffic.

Draw a line in the road - this is your starting point. Start from here and accelerate hard to 100. Perhaps you can carry a small colored plastic disk and toss it out where you touch 100. Come back to the spot and mark a line across the road here. This is your braking point.

Try braking from 100 to a stop using your technique. Now handover the bike to a competent rider who is familiar with the front-bias braking technique and see where they stop the bike.

I am fully confident that they will stop more predictably, safely and in a far shorter distance than you can without the drama of oscillations, sliding or screeching noises.

When you make the jump to superbikes, you will not last long with your technique.

[satyenpoojary]

^Agreed, with all that mass under your ass, the "power drift" will remove the power from your pelvic bones!

[alankarmisra]

Permission to prove you wrong?

Permission is always in effect ;-) Thank you so much for the info. Will do more RnD on this!

[calvin]

yesterday afternoon... i was driving my way to PUNE... it was like raining Harley's there... i spotted at-least 3-4 V-rods n a total of 15+ HD's, they were heading towards panvel... any idea guys what's going on??

[Parth]

Was I dreaming while sitting on the PC or was this thread temporarily closed last night?

I'd like to know the reason behind it.

No ride reports of the sunday ride?? Nop ics?? Nothing?

[satyenpoojary]

yesterday afternoon... i was driving my way to PUNE... it was like raining Harley's there... i spotted at-least 3-4 V-rods n a total of 15+ HD's, they were heading towards panvel... any idea guys what's going on??

I saw atleast a 100 HDs yesterday at Amby... every make thats being sold in India. The HD is now a girl-friend-approved bike...

[darkknight]

^^ & so is the intruder

I think the comfy backseats as a better attraction to the opposite sex

[calvin]

I saw atleast a 100 HDs yesterday at Amby... every make thats being sold in India. The HD is now a girl-friend-approved bike...

well i guess i've missed 80+ HD's...
people riding HD's were so blended into it that for a sec i thought that i'm in US ... but as see... the roads and stupid people on it keep you reminding of where exactly you are...

[karkai6]

I'm gonna go ahead and, based on my own personal experience, disagree with you on this one in a this-don't-work-for-me kinda way. Rather than give bias to the front brake and manage the oscillations, its simpler (for me!) to give bias to the rear brake and go into a power slide which will drag you linearly in the direction of your momentum - no oscillations to manage - just sit tight and go with the flow and of course hope the traction stops you before you hit the object you are trying to avoid.

With a front bias, the bike does oscillate but the oscillation is hardly predictable on account of gravel and other surface elements in the context of city riding at least. The gravel will usually accelerate the momentum in a specific direction and cause the rear to skid away from the machine leading to a fall. Even with a predictable outcome, its much more difficult to manage (for me!) than a simple linear powerslide. Edit: Furthermore considering the powerslide has leverage over the other method in a wider range of scenarios, I'd rather commit the powerslide to muscle memory than a selective front vs rear bias based on the surface conditions.

As for delta adjustments, those could be made in either case.

I had the habit of a front brake bias, fell twice on city streets, until a wise-old-fart advised me to go for a rear bias. I've also seen Spidey (not the wise-old-fart) use powerslides VERY effectively on our Leh trip managing to get out of situations where I would have most certainly collided (watching him powerslide convinced me its a worthwhile and effective technique for hard braking). And yeah, Spidey has a classic Karizma.

Alankar, Just a thought, but when you said you had a fall using the Front Brakes ,

1) Was your braking done suddenly?? Did you 'Jab' or 'squeeze' the brakes???
2) Were you gripping the tank with your legs or were you tight on the bars??
3) Was there even a little bit of Gravel on the road??
4) Did you fall at the end of your braking or at the beginning??


These are the only reasons I can think of which may cause a Front wheel slide under braking in reasonable circumstances..

As you ride an R15, The MRF front tyre is one of the best around and it takes a LOT to get it to slide under normal braking..

The technique you quoted will work under low speed situations.. Managing a rear wheel slide without panicking at 70-80 speeds isnt exactly a nice hot cup of tea..

Trust me, when I was at a track and saw people falling down left and right, it was ONLY caused by either Target Fixation or Rear Wheel Braking skids..

In case you dont trust me, get a copy of "Twist of the Wrist II" movie online, watch it and do let me know of your comments.

P.S. But of course, the front brake bias will never work on gravel. There, I sort of agree with whatever you say.. But on good roads, your technique has the potential to be deadly..

[Ameya220]

yesterday afternoon... i was driving my way to PUNE... it was like raining Harley's there... i spotted at-least 3-4 V-rods n a total of 15+ HD's, they were heading towards panvel... any idea guys what's going on??

They were HD Bikers From Mumbai. Last week had visited AH, When 1 of the HD owner was there n hemant Bhai was dicussing about the ride of HD's to amby Valley

[TenHut]

I'm saying even in the context of predictable oscillations ie NOT SLIPPERY its simpler go into a rear bias maneuver. EDIT: Furthermore, I'd rather commit one braking maneuver to muscle memory and since I don't see the front bias having any advantage over a rear bias (correct me if I'm wrong here), I'd rather make rear bias my preferred method.

everything you said makes sense...except that the method (rear bias) isnt going to stop any motorcycle at all.
With your rear locked you are going to be everywhere on the road. When ppl say u can control rear slides they dont mean you can do that at highspeeds. If you are locking your rear at 100kmh you are definately not stopping before ramming into somone/something that you are trying to avoid.

1. Do not propogate this method of braking.
2. Change your own braking. Never too late. You ride an r15...you can leave the rear brake untouched for the rest of the years to come and you will never need it.

[ttusharz]

Met or i can say didnt met an xBhpian today.
While coming back home from eastern express highway, near vikhroli i think,A guy on pulsar with ls2 helmet hand signaled me to ask me whether im xBhpian or not. As soon as i nooded yes, he zoomed ahead of me. I thought we will stop there & will have small chat. Dont know why he didnt stopped. Later we crossed each other near flyover from where i took right for airoli & he took left for mulund.