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**Joel** · 01-20-2012, 02:42 AM

Latest update - CBR250R with Race Concepts tuned exhaust - 24.5whp. Stock 21.14hp.

**ABikerAtHeart** · 01-20-2012, 03:38 AM

"Temptation is a way to Life."

For long I've been following your threads and pretty much all the goodies which you to the mango man 'magically conjure'.

I've followed every bit of the raceconcepts on the R15 and the Pulsar 220. And lately the CBR.

And it was untill recently when I registered on xBhp that I decided to ask you this.

Sir, hasn't working on the R15 so honestly, for so many years, ever tempted you to not just rewrite history but write the very future?

Yamaha is run by megalomaniac morons. I even doubt if its Chairman has ever ridden a Yamaha bike, or rather ridden a bike at all.

If there's anyone who can do it, its you.

If there's anyone who can create a R25, its you.

Sir, with much respect and admiration I only request you to atleast consider the same.

Regards,
A Biker.

**nirvaana** · 01-20-2012, 07:22 PM

^^^ I can understand your emotions here but keeping just performance in mind while making a bike is one thing and keeping market requirement, emission norms and regulation, reliability is another thing.

I am not questioning anyones work here. All i want to say is that there are numeous other factors considered before a bike is designed for a market.

btw, Yukimine Tsuji, CEO and MD for Yamaha India, himself rides an R1 occasionally :-)

source : www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHpUfmPbdw

**sunny_** · 01-20-2012, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

The R15 is in a league of its own in its segment. They cannot be compared in the engine department, but handling wise, a stock R15 still holds the candle. However our CBR now matches the R15's ability around corners and under braking.

How can you say it now matches the R15's ability in cornering? I didn't read any of your modification is on the handling part, all are adding to the performance field.
Under braking also, have you modified the brakes also?

**dreamseller** · 01-20-2012, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by sunny_ View Post

How can you say it now matches the R15's ability in cornering? I didn't read any of your modification is on the handling part, all are adding to the performance field.
Under braking also, have you modified the brakes also?

Sunny please read below:

Originally posted by Joel View Post

The suspension department is now well addressed and our tweeks have worked brilliant. The front damping has been retweeked, with revised pre-loading, revalving and ride height change. The rear is now harder by 3 clicks and revalving, which is working brilliant. Our CBR no longer feels like a boat. Its as good as the R15, which now makes our CBR, an absolute blast in street and for trackday exploits.

**ashwin208** · 01-22-2012, 11:52 AM

Nice stuff there Joel !
I remember seeing the cbr when I came the last time to pick up my exhaust ..

**strikepackage** · 01-22-2012, 12:53 PM

exhaust...

hey joel......can give info abt the exhaust u have for the tuned CBR..the price etc....

**ABikerAtHeart** · 01-22-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by nirvaana View Post

^^^ I can understand your emotions here but keeping just performance in mind while making a bike is one thing and keeping market requirement, emission norms and regulation, reliability is another thing.

I am not questioning anyones work here. All i want to say is that there are numeous other factors considered before a bike is designed for a market.

If Dilip Chabaria can design and market Avanti, Joel as hell can do the same with a R25.

**raja_roadster** · 01-22-2012, 02:40 PM

that was great adjusting the suspension set up and improving handling i think first of its kind mod

@ Abikeratheart :So you want joel to fulfil your dream of a 250cc motorcycle witha yammie heart

hope Joel is reading this and he comes up with a premium bike when Dillip Chabbria can do it with 4 wheels why not you with two wheels we believe you sorry for ot joel

**Jeanie** · 01-22-2012, 03:18 PM

joel will you offer this finish exhaust for other bikes ffe also ? i dont like the chrome finish ones that you are selling presently . if yes will they be at higher price ?

**sunny_** · 01-22-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by dreamseller View Post

Sunny please read below:

The suspension department is now well addressed and our tweeks have worked brilliant. The front damping has been retweeked, with revised pre-loading, revalving and ride height change. The rear is now harder by 3 clicks and revalving, which is working brilliant. Our CBR no longer feels like a boat. Its as good as the R15, which now makes our CBR, an absolute blast in street and for trackday exploits.

Thanks Dreamseller, but I wonder how only suspension tweaking will match its handling with the R15. Harder suspensions will help at fast corners but how is maneuverability going to be improved and then matched with the R15??!!

**ABikerAtHeart** · 01-22-2012, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by sunny_ View Post

Thanks Dreamseller, but I wonder how only suspension tweaking will match its handling with the R15. Harder suspensions will help at fast corners but how is maneuverability going to be improved and then matched with the R15??!!

If I were to hit you, would be easier to hit you with a thin rod or the same rod coiled as a spring?
Think about it and you'll have your answer.

**senotrius** · 01-24-2012, 11:35 AM

@joel,great work

.i always felt the cbr was undertuned by honda.the attachment for dyno-hp is of low resolution.please upload a better pic. the bhp gains are at rear/wheel rite?and the comment on making making more HP than ninja-seriously?!?more than 33bhp or close at crank!cbr on steroids

p.s.and you've only started on the cbr.40bhp single cylinder 250 .maybe I'm stretching my imagination

**Samarth 619** · 01-24-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by nirvaana View Post

^^^ I can understand your emotions here but keeping just performance in mind while making a bike is one thing and keeping market requirement, emission norms and regulation, reliability is another thing.
I am not questioning anyones work here. All i want to say is that there are numeous other factors considered before a bike is designed for a market.

As you must have seen earlier, Joel had once made such modifications to the R15, that it sounded, looked and could be relied upon just like a regular R15, but went so damn faster than the stock setup. His encyclopediac knowledge is way up there with the best...

Its the passion that counts in creating great stuff. ABikeratheart is right about the attitude of Yamaha India as a whole.
And if at all Joel goes in for a complete homemade performance bike, we should definitely go for it and I'd wish him luck!
But I believe that he has his hands full already with lots of events and appointments. So this proposed bike might never mature... Let me live in dreams for a while though:

RaceConcepts Incorporation, Bengaluru proudly present to you, the RC 250RR- a 250cc 40 bhp 4 cylinder 16 valves faired sports bike for the biker in you. Features:
6 Speed, Fi, Liquid cooling, lightweight fairing, the 'supeRRigidity' frame, racy seating position, advanced instrumentation with multicolor display, USB slot supported data recorder/ analyzer, etc.
Well Tested around India on roads and tracks. All this for just Rs. 2.5 Lacs Ex-showroom.

And also, a 3 staged Complete Performance kit that can extend it to a total of 55 bhp. And 7 different choices for gearing.

Ok enough, come back to reality now.

We hope it happens...

**hotshot.vipin** · 01-25-2012, 01:49 PM

is the 3bhp power bump only with the ffe or with combination of headwork and ffe.

also will you be sharing the shock-absorber change details or will be a custom job like the headwork which can be done only at your workshop.

Announcement

Race Concepts - CBR250R - now tuned!

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