C'mon guys, just go to bed!!!
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my last post on this thread before i get infraction points.
zma is experienced veteran,its contribution can't be ignored ,but for pogress we need dynamic young bloke like duke.
ashwin no hard feelings bro.
about the fastest indian part pulsar 220 cc once and to some extent still now holds the crown.
leaving a mad house behind,phew.

Ssssshhh....

Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post

Karizma is a splendor on 223cc motor.

Pulsar 220 is like a bajaj auto rickshaw on a 220cc motor (no offense 220 owners)

^^ come on now guys, it's fun once in a while if you are childlike, but don't become childish. Karizma & P220 both are enthusiast delights. Don't degrade them comparing to autos & 100cc bikes.

Its sad to hear that most of us think that Karizma is losing its appeal.

I would like to share few things with You all:-
Hero (hero honda) have always been a trend-setter in the Indian motorcycle market, producing quality and reliable bikes. Hero the cycle manufacturer joined hands with honda (the japanese giant) to bring the smaller variant of honda cd200 to India. It changed the whole motorcycling scene of India, when bullet was only four stroke bike, cd100 was the first four stroke 100cc bike. It gave a mind blowing mileage of 80kmpl and the slogan came in existence fill it, shut it forget it. It brought down the sales of other two stroke bikes
It took more than a decade of the other manufacturers of catch up with the fuel efficient, less polluting four stroke trend.

In mid 90s there were absolutely no performance bikes available in India. Then the HH came up with the cbz, that was first 150cc bike with a front disk brake ( first being the enfield fury) it changed the trend for the second time. We would have seen in the ads 0 to 60 in 5 secs and 60 to 0 in 3 secs. Then all the bikes started coming with a 150cc engine and a front disc brake. It changed the mind set of people towards biking.

Regarding the karizma, its the first bike with a bigger capacity engine which had a lot of potential for touring and city commuting. Even the recent launch of impulse shows that they are not shy in going against the existing trend and make others follow them.

If HH had kept their products updated, they would have been the first motorcycle manufacturer in India. In this context we really need to appreciate bajaj would are constantly updating their products. Look at the journey of pulsar ever since 2001 when it was launched.

Is Karizma losing its appeal?
Yes.

I bought my Zma R 18 months back.

With all the collaboration HMC is making I wish they come with a new bike rather than a "Karizma RR".On the other hand as Zma was always notorious for its spares availability issue I wish they continue this model for some more years.

With the launch of 200NS and CBR150R, ZMA will lose even more customers,I know that these are different bikes and also read the "Hard Torque" by Argee,but there is a lot of guys who dont know what bike they need and for what purpose they will be using it ,they will go for Best looking,latest in the market,gadget loaded and maybe even phat tyres,regardless that its a touring,naked street or track oriented one.
So if someone is going for Zma just for its looks will consider Cbr150r and 200ns.

Is KARIZMA loosing it appeal ?

I dont see it that way, i'd rather say here is a product that is tried and tested and still commands respect from bikers who knows what are its virtue's.

In todays market we have diffrent bikes suitable for urban / rural / track and touring purpose. And its of my opinion that Zma/Zmr is a very good touring bike for its price

C'mon people, don't act like kids.
The thread was meant to discuss whether Karizma has lost/is losing is appeal.
It was not to discuss whether my toy (a Karizma) is better or the neighbor's toy (something else)!

Whether the Karizma has 'lost' is appeal - Not completely yet.
Whether it is losing its appeal - Yes!

That's all. BTW, AswinPrakas, HyperRetard, Above_all; you should not try defending your possessions just for the sake of it.

I also own the same bike. I know its short comings and its capabilities.
Hence, I've learnt to live with it, but I won't fight for false reasons just because I own it.

Please keep the discussion healthy.

Man i made it clear i don't want to push it further , don't quote me & invite me to post again & again only one thing that guys haven't owning bikes commenting as expert .

Even a newbie who is merely a month old saying Karizma is another ....... , which clearly shows how he is jealous & get screwed up upon seeing the sexiest bike .

Also that newbie is posting he will invite xpolice , but don't know forum rule that don't post multiple time , use multiquote or edit post , & one of senior who is in race of being moderator , supporting his act on this thread but not telling him rule about reposting contineously on the other thread where he is doing that .

And as in one of post Ashwin quoted edited stuff of antz.biz post which is asking me algebra & logic etc , when i replied to that post the post don't contain that stuff but later its got edited & i know it by ashwin's reply ( thanks ashwin for notifying ) , then i edited my reply post & tried to answer the questions he asked by editing .

So the point is crystal clear , Karizma's sell is still going strong , so how it is loosing ?

Please i again repeat a request forgive me don't quote me & don't invite to discuss further .

Awesome fights in this thread. Seeing for the first time, XBHP members doing like this ..

Guys please keep fighting, My Popcorn is not yet over.

(sorry for Offending anyone )

Buddy Your making us to quote your message again and again, Till now I been the spectator for this thread but the Above statement which you mentioned makes me to reply, See to comment or review about a respective bike, It is not mandatory to own it. If at all your statement is true, then we don't need such a wonderful community to share our thoughts. Think as a biker all we doing is sharing our thoughts some may be harsh some may be pointless but at the end of the day it matters what you gaining and what your contributing from your end.

So don't keep on repeating "only one thing that guys haven't owning bikes commenting as expert" No one is telling they are expert only your saying I think it may be your inferiority complex or I donno, Am sorry If I offend you.
Be cool.

karizma always have respect from everyone's heart, It is the first Indian bike which produce 225cc and we won't forget that, But time moves on.. new bikes coming up so we need to accept that The Karizma losing its appeal. "Above All" Not Anymore.

Man its 2007 all over again!!

This thread has turned into a mud slinging fest. I am sure the thread starter didn't see it coming.

Please allow me to quote few lines from my first post in this thread...

As individuals our perspectives, needs, requirements and expectations from the same product may very well differ, because obviously each person can have his own point of view. But society as a whole is driven by generally common needs, requirements and expectations. Let me put the mobile phone example differently -- there will be many individuals who would prefer a simplest of phones; they would be happy if the phone is outstanding at just making/taking calls and never drops a signal. For them it doesn't matter if the phone has android/iOS/windows or whatever! However, in general, we can safely assume that mobile phones with as many features are the way to go in the mobile phone industry. It doesn't mean that the simplest of phones are not preferred.

Not just in India, we can take examples from everywhere -- take Honda SuperBlackbird for instance. The Blackbird was the fastest and the best hypersports motorcycle that one could own more than a decade back. It was just wonderful, the handling was predictable that inspired confidence and it was just very easy to get on and ride fast. I have owned and ridden one few years back. But then came the Suzuki Hayabusa and soon Blackbird was not favorite anymore anymore among many biking enthusiasts. Though the Blackbird went on to be a legend. However, it was wanted from Honda that they will upgrade the Blackbird and challenge the Busa. But Honda didn't, they instead came out with VFR 1200 after a long time that is in a different class of its own. And now it's mainly Kawasaki and Suzuki slugging it out in the hypersports category. May be Honda doesn't care much and may be many motorcyclists don't care either; but we sure would love an all new SuperBlackbird that would again set some standards. This is what and how we should be trying to discuss it here instead of taking it personally.

May be thread should be renamed to discuss motorcycle upgrade in general rather than concentrating on one particular product in order to keep this thread alive.

The point is -- since technology and research continue to grow, it is quite natural to expect change in any product that we humans develop. This is the purpose of development.

There are even more examples. Take different riding modes that are now pretty common in many motorcycles. Some motorcycles still do not have it like the Fireblade even when other motorcycles in its class have them. May be Honda doesn't feel the need to do it now, but they sure cannot ignore it. Honestly I don't care! But I believe in order to remain competitive each competitor needs to up the game in some way or the other.

Please feel free to decide if we should keep the discussion going, but let's do it in a healthy way.

PS: I have owned karizma for 5 years before someone comes and shoot me!

This thread reminds me of World War II Dogfights. I actually canceled my post twice thinking that the thread would cool off into maturity.

Sorry for the long post but here are my two cents:

The thread starter asks whether Karizma is losing its appeal?

Yes and No. The market is about expectations. It is all about what one wants from a machine. Marketing studies show that expectations are time bound. For example, features like auto start were premium features a decade back; these are mandatory and expected on the smallest of vehicles.

Someone pointed out that the Karizma was once a premium bike (it still is according to me), now a super commuter..etc. This is a classic "change of expectations" from a product. Likewise, the 220F once the fastest Indian will be surpassed by some other product soon. Evolution will continue and in the process, expectations will put a product in a different segment altogether.

Just look at this: the beloved CD 100 and Boxer are still remembered today. Were those good products? Of course yes, these products set the segment on fire at that time. What has happened today? Rise of expectations; people preferring more powerful machines with more features. Does this make them losers? Not at all!!

The ZMA is the oldest design here (in terms of engine). Taken from the CRF, this is a decade old design which is super stable today. No issues, reliability problems or niggling faults. However, what it is competing with is new technology (read 220 and the RTR). And, this new technology does have it's own share of issues. As with the CRF engine, these competitors will take sometime before all the bugs are ironed out.

The stable and reliable factor combined with the brand name alone is the reason that the ZMA sells in huge numbers (relatively) even today. This gives me a reason to believe that the ZMA has not yet lost it's appeal. However, it is losing out on expectations..people like me who crave for more power, better handling, better features and a better brand.

A few products are unfazed by the time theory. For example, the Yamaha RD350 still commands a premium in the second hand market and rules hearts for most. The question is...whether the ZMA is in the same league as the RD 350? That is a question that will be answered in time.