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  • #61
    Originally posted by gn.times View Post
    Guys, I'm planning to upgrade my exhaust and air filter. Could you please answer my below queries.

    Whether FFE and stock replacement filter from RC need run-in period?
    Whether current batch FFE comes with stainless steel?
    How about increase in lower end torque and power since I'm a city rider?

    Thanks in advance
    The last i spoke to Joel, the new Batch of FFEs will be of SS grade. However, i am not sure if Joel already has them readily available in stock. please check with him at [email protected]

    I would say go for the FFE only first! if you just buy the Free flow air filter, you will have to go for rejetting... which is not recommended and turns out to be a major pain!!

    The FFE alone would boost low end and top end like anything. The engine will rev to the redline in no time.

    Cheers,
    A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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    • #62
      Originally posted by shv18 View Post
      The last i spoke to Joel, the new Batch of FFEs will be of SS grade. However, i am not sure if Joel already has them readily available in stock. please check with him at [email protected]

      I would say go for the FFE only first! if you just buy the Free flow air filter, you will have to go for rejetting... which is not recommended and turns out to be a major pain!!

      The FFE alone would boost low end and top end like anything. The engine will rev to the redline in no time.

      Cheers,
      Shv18 thanks for the reply mate.

      When I talked to Joel through phone a month back he told that Stock replacement air filter is available which don't need any rejetting and its plug n play.

      Please let me know if any Run-in is required for FFE and filter replacement.

      Thanks in advance.
      2009 Yamaha FZ-S

      The ultimate machine to ride!!!
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      • #63
        Hi Guys ,

        I am from Philippines and your Post about your Modified FZ16 are very interesting , i would love to read more about your performance modifications
        on FZ16 .

        We also have FZ16 in our shores , and like you guys we love the bike and we will also do modifications to improve its performance .
        Please keep sharing and post your latest mods for our common interest .

        Thanks and Ride safe everyone ....








        Originally posted by N-o-v-i-c-e View Post
        Hello guys.....So here i am writing about my hot rodded bike. Please do excuse me for my poor literature skills.

        The story begins in the nearby past.....I bought a FZ hoping it would be a beast to drive.

        Although it never disappointed me in ANY aspect other than Power....It felt underpowered for its own robust chassis.

        Then began the quest for MORE power...How nice it would be if the bike could have all the power it can really handle..

        I didnt want to part with my bike after having it for more than 3 years...it was almost like selling one's own limb...

        That is when it occurred to me. How about i can keep my bike and have its power bumped up too.
        Had been following all the stories about the mutant FZ's being created by the dark arts specialist 'Joel'.

        Finally took the plunge last month(August)....ordered some goodies from the master....

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]81514[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81515[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81516[/ATTACH]

        Sorry for the bike quality. Took the pics on the night it was built and took for a small ride.
        Will post some clean bike pics soon.

        By now you all seem to be familiar with the parts offered by Joel. Nevertheless i will write briefly about them for the sake of this thread.

        1. Bigbore kit.

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]81494[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81495[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81496[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81497[/ATTACH]

        It comes with the race piston and the cylinder block. Very robust quality i must say. The sleeve work and piston finish were upto the mark.

        2. FFE.

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]81498[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81499[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81500[/ATTACH]

        The exhaust was sparkling as a jewel to my eyes. Never was i ever so mesmerized by anything chrome.
        It comes with a db killer. But my advise would be to avoid it atleast until the run-in of the bike.
        Coz we wont be ripping the bike like hell during run-in, so the noise levels would be minimum.


        3. Hotter camshaft.

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]81501[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81502[/ATTACH]

        This is a mild lift camshaft. i.e. less than 1mm lift. Retains the valve opening for a tad longer than the stock one.
        Which results in better fuel intake and hence more power available to you.

        4. Stock replacement air filter.

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]81509[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81510[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81511[/ATTACH]

        This is the high flow stock replacement air filter. Note the porous mesh in the first pic. Will need frequent cleaning than the stock one.
        But definitely breathes better than stock filter.

        5. Altered geometry for the Head.

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]81512[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]81513[/ATTACH]

        Alteration to the ports. And some other tricks as well. Can say only that much.


        The Experience of modifying:

        I have zilch knowledge about modifying an engine. So started to spend some time at my friend who eventually helped me build it.

        So after getting the parts it took another week to get some free time to get the bike fit with all the magic parts.

        I must add that the parts are truly as Joel would say PLUG and PLAY.

        Really man. There was no need to alter or modify any of the stock parts at all. The parts fit perfectly as stock ones.

        Although you have to get some gaskets and stuff before installing the new parts, these are NOT major headache.

        They are easily available at your nearby Yamaha SVC.

        I apologize for not having taken the pics during the installation as promised to some of the my friends here.
        I was so excited in getting my hands dirty with oil that i totally forgot about the pics.

        THE RIDE:

        Once the built was done i fired the engine for the first time.
        The sweet bassy sound of the exhaust filled our ears and for a moment there i couldn't hear anything else.

        I took her out for a ride.
        At first it felt nothing special. The rpm meter was hovering around the idleing mark of 1200rpm.

        But as the rpm rose to 2k rpm i felt something had changed drastically. Yes, the next instance the meter was on 4k rpm and climbing.
        The burst of power was unbelievable. And here i was thinking what just happened.

        The beast had awakened now and truly worth being called the Lord of the Streets.
        I rode her sanely below 4k rpm for the next two days. Actually it was only a small 20km ride.
        Didnt get time from work to truly belt her out.

        The third day i thought of taking her to the highway.
        So i went to start the bike and at the first crank the bike felt as if the piston half revved and stopped.

        I didnt get it. The battery was replaced during the installation of these parts.
        So called up Joel. He said the it is the tight, high compression piston at work.

        After some cranks the bike started and i took her to the highway. This day it was a bit different.
        The bike started breathing intermittently in the rpm range.

        Even then the bike touched 100 in no time for first time after the build.
        Although it was for a brief moment and i immediately brought down the speed.
        This was when i realized for sure that the magic has worked. And the bike wasnt even WOT.

        There are a few adjustments to be done before it rages like a Bull.
        But till then i am happy to have had a moment of nirvana.

        Truly the bike has changed to the meaner and faster.
        I thank you all for joining me in this quest and helping me out.

        Cheers...
        Hello Shv18 ,

        i am curious , why does the drop in K & N Replacement filter needs an OIL after cleaning ?
        Will it obstruct the filter and reduce air flow ?





        Originally posted by shv18 View Post
        Info Courtesy: Abhimanyu31

        So Noobs, i have been getting my inbox filled with this same query about how should one clean the Performance air filter??

        Well both Simota stock replacement air filter and the 50MM Conical air filter are oil based type. I shall try and update this post with pics whenever i get to finish my build.

        The cleaning process applies for both the replacement type and conical type air filter from Simota

        STEP 1:
        Take the air filter out of your ride and using mild soap and water solution wash it gently to get rid of the dirt particles that have got trapped inside the filter. Rinse it with water and then wash it. Don't apply too much force while cleaning or you may end up damaging the filer

        STEP 2: Let it dry completely. Buy a sasta/cheap mineral engine oil from any of he Petrol bunks and then oil the air filter generously. But don't over do it!! Apply just the amount which the filter would be able to soak. Wait for 10 mins. It will allow the extra oil trickle down which can be wiped with a cloth(Edited as the per the correction from the author in the post below!) It is imperative that you use fresh oil only and not used engine oil please!!

        This 1 ltr bottle will last you more than a decade i guess!! One can also opt for Simota oil from the OEM company but then again it would be very expensive so the alternate way is mineral oil.

        STEP 3:
        Put the air filter back to its respective place connected/installed in the bike

        STEP 4: Resume belting!!

        The cleaning interval for the replacement air filter can vary from 3000-5000 kms for extremely dusty and polluted city environment like in Mumbai, Rajasthan etc. and 10-15,000 kms for places with cleaner air. (10-15000 kms for place like Assam & Meghalaya where the air is cleaner, less or no dust and more cooler)

        The conical air filter requires periodic cleaning between 1500-2500 kms as it is more exposed to the elements. (corrected as per the feedback from the author!! )

        Good thing is it is a simple DIY (Do-It-Yourself) and can be performed at home. The only patience that one requires is to let the Air filter dry post cleaning and not be to harsh on it while cleaning it.

        These air filters will outlast the life of the bike and probably you!!

        Hope this helps..

        Cheers,
        Last edited by invelarde; 10-15-2012, 05:59 PM.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by gn.times View Post
          Please let me know if any Run-in is required for FFE and filter replacement.
          Thanks in advance.
          Question for you gn.times.
          Are there moving parts in RC's FFE (I know other exhausts have a solenoid operated flap to redirect airflow at high throttles) that rub against each other?

          A exhaust is just a open ended pipe of varying diameters.
          The muffler is a open ended pipe with insulation wrapped around a perforated tube.
          If anything once your start pushing exhaust gas through it, the lifespan starts to decrease.
          If you have a very richly tuned engine then the lifespan will be considerably shorter due to excessive carbon building up and clogging the small perforations.
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          You may hear a different sound after a few kms, That is only the carbon filling the muffler's insulation.
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          Want to talk about modding your FZ? http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tech-talk.html
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Mad Mik View Post
            Question for you gn.times.
            Are there moving parts in RC's FFE (I know other exhausts have a solenoid operated flap to redirect airflow at high throttles) that rub against each other?

            A exhaust is just a open ended pipe of varying diameters.
            The muffler is a open ended pipe with insulation wrapped around a perforated tube.
            If anything once your start pushing exhaust gas through it, the lifespan starts to decrease.
            If you have a very richly tuned engine then the lifespan will be considerably shorter due to excessive carbon building up and clogging the small perforations.
            .
            Hi Mik, Will the quality of material used for wrapping the muffler affect performance? From what I understand it is used for absorbing sound. I will be refilling my FFE this weekend. The original glasswool has burnt completely. Any suggestion in this regards?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by shv18 View Post
              ^^^ Thanks for the correction Abhimanyu31 shall edit the details in my earlier post.

              @Jonahmano
              : Why are you confused all the time mate?

              Jokes apart the above tutorial is based on real time experience with the product. So you are free to follow the advice. If you are planning to go for the replacement type filter... the cleaning interval is same as the stock.. so i don't think it is too much of a head ache for you to go through the process right.. other way round it will allow you to tinker around with you ride and understand her better if you are one of the types who loves dirty greasy hands to learn more about your machine!!

              @Mik: Mate i don't understand your obsession with socks and that too smelly socks!!

              Cheers,
              Well I guess thats the reason why am getting low FE these days . Joel suggested me to clean the airfilter at around every 10k kms . So i sort of planned to clean it while nearing 7000 kms. He suggested to just soak the airfilter in water with detergent & rinse it. Then to sun dry it. He told that the oil is not that necessary.

              Anyways i have a motul 3100 20W50 oil. Can it be applied to the filter and can you please upload a video of how to apply the oil to the filter.
              NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THAT

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              • #67
                Originally posted by gn.times View Post
                Shv18 thanks for the reply mate.

                When I talked to Joel through phone a month back he told that Stock replacement air filter is available which don't need any rejetting and its plug n play.

                Please let me know if any Run-in is required for FFE and filter replacement.

                Thanks in advance.
                No Run is required with the FFE. Its a plain bolt on system. I am not sure about the Free Flow Air Filter though whether it is simple plug and play as i have not tested it.. Probably abhimanyu31 can throw a light on this.

                @Madhav Krishna: Any grade engine oil as long as it is not used up oil from the engine can be applied. Yes a dirty air filter will result in drop in performance and FE as the engine is not able to breath properly.

                @Inverlade: Didn't get your question mate. I don't have an experience on K&N products so can't comment.

                I have updated my earlier post with the power up parts pics that have reached Mumbai.

                So one can check and see for themselves what a big bore kit is.

                Cheers,
                Last edited by shv18; 10-15-2012, 07:04 PM.
                A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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                • #68
                  ^^^ if you are running only the stock replacement filter then there is no need for re-jetting. However, if you are using a conical filter then you may need to re-jet.
                  Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                    Hi Mik, Will the quality of material used for wrapping the muffler affect performance? From what I understand it is used for absorbing sound. I will be refilling my FFE this weekend. The original glasswool has burnt completely. Any suggestion in this regards?
                    Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                    ^^^ if you are running only the stock replacement filter then there is no need for re-jetting. However, if you are using a conical filter then you may need to re-jet.
                    Hi Abhimanyu, Mik & Shv18, It would be great if you can advice me on my query.

                    "Will the quality of material used for wrapping the muffler affect performance? From what I understand it is used for absorbing sound. I will be refilling my FFE this weekend. The original glasswool has burnt completely. Any suggestion in this regards?"

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                      Hi Abhimanyu, Mik & Shv18, It would be great if you can advice me on my query.

                      "Will the quality of material used for wrapping the muffler affect performance? From what I understand it is used for absorbing sound. I will be refilling my FFE this weekend. The original glasswool has burnt completely. Any suggestion in this regards?"
                      Hi Chinmaykar,
                      I am not sure, lemme check and get back to you on this... Although as per my understanding it shouldnot. However, i am not sure how it affects the pulse tuning of the exhaust. Unless it is too much of a headache for the time being fill it up with glass wool and compact it using a pressing tool.

                      Cheers,
                      A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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                      • #71
                        The POWERHOUSE Fz18

                        Originally posted by shv18 View Post
                        Hi All,

                        I have just received a good news from abhimanyu31 that the first lot of shipment has arrived in Mumbai. Below are extremely high resolution pics (courtesy abhimanyu31, and sorry about the big pic sizes ):




                        So now the pending parts are:

                        * Tuned/ported Head and
                        * The 29mm CV Carb will be done only after i somehow manage to run away from work and reach Mumbai to ship the stock head to Joel first.

                        I belive the pics are pretty much self explainatory however i would let expert abhimanyu31 to give his first hand inputs on the fit and finish of the product as he has physically seen and felt the product and did all the hard work to click the pics. I believe he is as excited as i am.

                        We are also waiting for Abhimanyu31s insane mod, 180cc kit for his already souped up 165cc R16 as an extreme update. That will be a ninja Killer for sure!!


                        Cheers,
                        First of all; please stop calling me a guru/ expert. There are people out here who are more knowledgeable by light years. So please stop, it's downright embarrassing.

                        Coming to the parts. As usually expected from Joel, the parts are clean, neatly machined and look of quality build. While I have not had the opportunity to measure the tolerances (will do it over the week end), looks and feels really tight. Impressively so considering that this is a air cooled engine (I got my R15 180cc cylinder kit along with these parts. It's tolerances are extremely tight! In fact it's so tight that i am more than a little apprehensive about it since the piston is a fully forged one. I think I will run fully synthetic oil right from inception. Don't want to risk oil shearing). Anyway, the quality is quite impressive. With such tight tolerances you will need to be really careful running this baby in.

                        The clutch springs are identical to the springs that I have on my bike. My bike has now completed 10,000+ kms on the same with no problems whatsoever. No clutch slippage, no clutch drag.

                        The cam looks good with clean machining.
                        Last edited by abhimanyu31; 10-15-2012, 11:43 PM.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                          First of all; please stop calling me a guru/ expert. There are people out here who are more knowledgeable by light years. So please stop, it's downright embarrassing.

                          Coming to the parts. As usually expected from Joel, the parts are clean, neatly machined and look of quality build. While I have not had the opportunity to measure the tolerances (will do it over the week end), looks and feels really tight. Impressively so considering that this is a air cooled engine (I got my R15 180cc cylinder kit along with these parts. It's tolerances are extremely tight! In fact it's so tight that i am more than a little apprehensive about it since the piston is a fully forged one. I think I will run fully synthetic oil right from inception. Don't want to risk oil shearing). Anyway, the quality is quite impressive. With such tight tolerances you will need to be really careful running this baby in.

                          The clutch springs are identical to the springs that I have on my bike. My bike has now completed 10,000+ kms on the same with no problems whatsoever. No clutch slippage, no clutch drag.

                          The cam looks good with clean machining.
                          the title is not given on request...it is chosen!! Anyways besides messing around, i guess once we hit the build stage that's when the call on the grade of engine oil shall be decided. I intend to do the safe run-in approach as mentioned on the 1st page 'questionnare'.

                          For Noobs who want to know what is "oil shearing" as mentioned by abhimanyu31, here are the links:
                          1) http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/oilshear.htm
                          2) http://micapeak.com/info/oiled.html
                          Although i am not sure should i replace the engine oil within the first 250 kms and then next round at 1000 kms so as to get rid of the excessive metal filings that will sure shotly generated more in this set up..

                          Please do share the measurements of my kit and your 180cc kit in your respective thread as i believe such insights would be helpful for all the guys over here.

                          Cheers,
                          Last edited by shv18; 10-16-2012, 11:04 AM. Reason: more info added
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                            First of all; please stop calling me a guru/ expert. There are people out here who are more knowledgeable by light years. So please stop, it's downright embarrassing.

                            Coming to the parts. As usually expected from Joel, the parts are clean, neatly machined and look of quality build. While I have not had the opportunity to measure the tolerances (will do it over the week end), looks and feels really tight. Impressively so considering that this is a air cooled engine (I got my R15 180cc cylinder kit along with these parts. It's tolerances are extremely tight! In fact it's so tight that i am more than a little apprehensive about it since the piston is a fully forged one. I think I will run fully synthetic oil right from inception. Don't want to risk oil shearing). Anyway, the quality is quite impressive. With such tight tolerances you will need to be really careful running this baby in. I also ride WOT mostly (as per road conditions) and pretty much shift when the shift light comes on, being doing that for a long time!

                            The clutch springs are identical to the springs that I have on my bike. My bike has now completed 10,000+ kms on the same with no problems whatsoever. No clutch slippage, no clutch drag.

                            The cam looks good with clean machining.
                            Been rocking the 180cc kit for the past 7 months, stick with mineral oil for the first 1000 clicks, do change the oil at least 3 times in that period, say 50km's, 250km's and 500km's, the at 1000km's switch to fully synthetic, i am using motul 300v, Joel recommends Agip 15w50, though I can't seem to find it in Goa and the Motul distributor is only 15 mins from my house. The benefits you'll find are, you can roll around in 6th gear and have good acceleration from low rpm's (real good torque), good power spread even before you get into the power band, this makes overtaking a breeze throughout the gears, clutchless shifting up and down, the downside is it's more vibey than the 165cc kit (although in a good way) seems to need better quality fuel (I use normal 91 ron fuel, with system G, transmission fluid and tolouene, as you're in Bombay, you can try either full speed 97 or a 50/50 mix of 97 and regular 91, just bare in mind outside the big cities, HP and BP serve up 87 ron in most places, this will lead to a lot of knocking).

                            Which cam are you going to be running? very interested in this as I am currently running the same as you, wouldn't mind trying something new.
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                            Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water, actually begged for bread after just two days !
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                              (I use normal 91 ron fuel, with system G, transmission fluid and tolouene, as you're in Bombay, you can try either full speed 97 or a 50/50 mix of 97 and regular 91, just bare in mind outside the big cities, HP and BP serve up 87 ron in most places, this will lead to a lot of knocking).
                              Why are you adding transmission fluid to your petrol?
                              Are you hoping it will lubricate and/or wash the injectors and fuelpump?
                              Just be aware that you have a O2 sensor in your exhaust, These are very sensitive to chemicals. Burning the wrong "fuel additive" can cause your O2 sensor to get coated and give wrong readings and or ultimately need replacing.


                              Carbon deposits

                              The protective tube exhibits heavy carbon deposits. This can arise from a mixture which is too rich, wear on the engine and valves or leakage in the exhaust system. Since the carbon deposits block the openings in the protective tube, the sensor can no longer work properly.



                              White/grey deposits

                              Heavy white or grey deposits indicate that fuel additives are used or oil is being burnt. After remedy of the cause, the sensor must be replaced.

                              Your catcon (if its still there) will also get fouled up, the catylist will stop working and need replacing. If the small passageways (in the catylist) get clogged, less air can flow resulting in hotter engine temps and overheated engine. (Friends MR2 had a collapsed cat, Ended up overheating his engine, bad heat marks on his cams etc. Needed rebuild)

                              What is the color of your exhaust tip just out of curiosity, If you give it a quick wipe with your finger (when cold of course) is it dark or light black? Powdery or slightly oily?
                              Last edited by Mad Mik; 10-16-2012, 02:49 AM.
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                              • #75
                                For lubrication of the rubber parts in the fuel system, tolouene can make the rubber parts brittle and fail, the amount is fairly minimal, plus the R15 doesn't have an O2 sensor.
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                                More than 98 percent of convicted criminals are bread eaters !
                                Statistics show that more than 75 % of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread !
                                Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water, actually begged for bread after just two days !
                                Bread has been proven to kill. Scientists have now uncovered alarming evidence that 100% of the people who eat bread will eventually die !

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