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I dont know why, but from my early days, it was in my instincts... my intuition said, never to mod, unless i know the science in it and know this is the mod i want...
i have always said to people in my circles, want power, buy bigger and better. the products with the power you ask for is ENGINEERED. and i tell them to know that word's meaning.
have seen good number of people losing money in stupid mods from tyres to headlights and horn.
when compared, respect can be given to those who spend on paint jobs.
the only mod i could manage to do after all these years was a chamber for RX 100. then i knew, it will only give more of sound and less of power as expected as there are many other things left out. its in garage, someday, i will learn or befriend a good mechanic and do the necessary and i truly agree with [MENTION=19778]Bibhu[/MENTION] when it comes to mods.

it had been 1 year and 4 months since i lost my loved P 150. i waited, controlled my urge, damn emotions, sad GRIN whenever i saw a guy cornering... It was deeply decided that i wanted more power and that too twice if possible. At last when D 390 was launched, i knew that was it.
Few around me knew how addicted i was to biking, they had told me to take a second hand bike and do mods. 3-4 years down the line i hope to get a 650 or higher one.

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I know this is FZ mods thread, but I have watching the debate on a certain gentleman, his claims, his products and his services. I just wanted to share the state of my Big Bore 165 cc after 15,000 kms.





Needless to say, the photos speak for themselves.

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Was waiting for your next post in your r16 thread but sadly couldnt find any
Why did you suddenly have to open the engine and take out the piston was it a customary or preventive check or did any problems happen that forced you to take out and inspect the piston
Do reply sir
CHEERS



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MY P 150 did 85000 kms and when i felt a bit uncomfortable, bajaj ASS opened it up. just very few minor scratches had been there... the ride was mostly above 75km/hr in its life...

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Just my 2 Paise,

The T (Rusty) Exhaust, after only 2.5 years and 7.5k spent, less than 10 k km's useage.
But wait, we have the power to rebuild in stainless steel for less than 6k. (Pic 1 & 2)

Then there's the inhouse developed 165 cc piston (Pic 3 & 4)

Ok it got busted, but wait we have developed a new one, free of charge replacement,(Pic 5 & 6)

But doesn't that look suspiciously like this one? available for the princely sum of 250,000 (wow that's a lot of money! not really it's around Rs 1300, enough for a few beers and a bite to eat) (pic 7)

Ok my bike is not without issues, currently the valves had got jammed and one fully burnt, this is down to the leaner map that was sent to me, unfortunately he didn't read my email properly, which clearly stated that I was running the 62.25 mm piston, race dynamisc. were of not much help, although they did manage to send me the free cable, free of charge.
So what now, well my bike is used pretty much for just my leisure, if I have the free cash, I might just get a new block/piston, big valve head, throttle body and a camshaft with decompression slot, but I will order these from abroad. I will redo the map this week (if I get my bike back, I have a painfully slow mechanic, but he is probably the best around these parts) I'm not pissed though, there's also the option of an ECU from BRT in Indonesia, which has an O2 sensor, thus has self learning capabilities, though this requires a little wiring work on the ECU connector.

I still believe it is possible to have a reliable daily ride that is fairly modified, you still run the risk of breakdowns, failures and niggles, you should expect it, but also treat it as a hobby, don't have blind faith in others, look at other forums and interact with others who are into the same hobby, remember many hobbies are expensive. R15=LC135(many variants), R125, FZ150i, Vixion. FZ16/Fazer = Byson, Nikasil block and piston set start at around 4000 and go to around 12,000 plus shipping and duties where applicable, there are many different qualities within that range, ultimately "you pays your money and makes your choice"

This is worth a read http://www.yamahat135.com/threads/blow-up-engine.16165/

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Sincerely, thank you @stefanm for coming forward and sharing your side of story.

Before you go ahead with spending on kits from Indonesia or other countries, may i suggest that you connect with senior rider @abhimanyu31 first? He is currently cooking up something crazy with his R15.

Just adding some of my thoughts:

* As per my experience with his personalised RC maps on my friend's R170 project, i finally figured out that Tooner doesn't know anything about how to prepare a proper fuel map for an R15 for street. Without Dyno/roller runs how can one create a fuel map still beats the logic! And Goa and Mumbai are at sea level conditions. So what works at an elevation of 2000 ft (blore for instance!!) will not work at sea level. Other way round an aggressive map made at blore will become even more richer at sea level eventually leading to plug fouling and FE hitting 15 - 18 kmpl. (Do correct me if i am going the other direction).

* If you see the map values all of them will have extremely rich fuelling and so much advanced ignition timing that your vehicle will start knocking @ 6th gear above 120 kmph.

* Also the so called head porting and polishing is not done properly from the Tooner's end which other way round results in charge robbing. If my hunch is right, like a moron he has shaved near about 1 mm from the head which has shot up the compression ratio beyond 13:1. You might be experiencing knocking noise at certain rpms which is nothing but pre-detonation of fuel even after going for your personal customised blend of 95 +RON fuel.

* I am sure that you must have gone through many sets of starter clutch/motors due to the absence of the decompressor assembly. The images shared by you clearly indicates that this piston is nothing but most likely sourced out from an outboard motorboat engine with the weight being on the wrong side which resulted in piston scuffing and eventually leading to oil ring failure and seizure. And most likely the Cylinder block was oval shape.

As fellow hot roding enthusiast, i would urge you if it is possible do share your detailed ownership experience log on this thread so that Noobs and other readers get to read the first hand report on the same.

Thanks again for coming forward and keep rocking


Cheers,

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The Picture clearly shows Ring Land Breakage , and the Piston is cast with poor quality....not even semi,or quarter forged...Can you share any picture of the top and bottom of the piston ? , is it one of the Lop sided piston like what Shv18 had ? or any personalized development due to "research" done in the Piston ?

Forget programming a ECU with fuel maps...You can't expect it from a Parts supplier who recommends Salvaged 32mm carb in place of 29mm for an increase of just 10cc in bore size. The fundamentals of air flow and Venturi Velocity are Greek and Latin to him.

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As far as i know, a bigger venturi carb can be used with even the same displacement but carb internals would have to be reconfigured. Jet size, needle size, imulsion tube type etc. Examples being: rd 250, 350, 400 and bullet 500 all use the same vm28 carb. Having the same venturi size on 125, 175, 200 and 500 cc cylinders. But all carbs have differnt internal configurations. Another example is the ug4.5 pulsar getting a bigger carb, but engine internals were changef to acomodate it.

In short, the tuner should have first built a full set up in his shop, sorted out the jetting and venturi issues and then offered them as solutions. Forget inhouse development of custom parts, he hasnt even done this much to make sure that fule flow and afr is adequate and proper.

Regarding that r16 piston, it must be the semi cast side of the semiforged piston that broke off.

Jeasus man, that thing looks worse than the kings piston we get here for oldies.

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Starting with POINT 2: As said by shv18: " the only thing i would recommend will be the Head porting and polishing work and the Street high lift camshaft from Motozone . If shv18 is happy about the service and products from motozone, he simply could've shared his review than recommending== "PROMOTION". PONT 1: I never denied this... as said by me earlier w.r.t motozone...."Maybe they might have an upper hand on reliability levels"... POINT 3: as said by shv18: "If at all you are still keen on getting safe but higher performance from your vehicle".. He says HIGHER performance. Which is why I questioned about them against RC. POINT 4: SriramEfunds- Another chit funding company???. Sorry mate but it was lame and absurd for you to have said that. Never have I said anything that relates to what RC does (WORK Involved). So for you to say that was pointless totally. Apologies for ALL BOLD. Laptop prob . Cheers mate

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This is one of his personalised developments. It's supposedly a semi forged piston made by ART Pistons of Taiwan.

Here is another pic of the same:




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Your observation is correct, and application in multi cylinder engines is different , but i was referring to the supply of salvaged Carburetors with jets,needle position etc., all on the wrong side. A person knowing the mods of his Specific design will never supply a carburetor to his customer like what was done...and my reference was to a street bike which had a 10cc increment in bore for which an increase in carb Venturi from 29mm to 32 mm was done. Needless to say the bike ran bad at low to mid, with poor FE....All of which makes one wonder about the claimed research and development behind such kits.
Keihin and Mikuni are different in their metering .


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Thanks for the Picture..looks similar to what Mr. Stefanm had posted ,probably made in Taiwan..the Valve recess at the farthest end of piston, in the picture looks non uniform....hope it is not a development done .

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My replies in bold, I believe that equates to more than 10 characters.

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Let me give you another jaw dropping moment... ..

This is the brand new piston that was sent to me for my 180cc big bore kit...



Note the exhaust valve recesses... What a hatchet job... :banghead:... I just dropped the whole project and wrote it off as a total loss...

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Shocking! worst thing is you paid good money for it.....maybe it's just some inhouse development marks.

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Oh My God .....Looks like a chisel was used to gauge out the Valve recess ..I could see the marks of the tool used ,of the hit and miss areas...
I have no words to say ..I am stunned ..oh my god who in right mind will do such a thing ..and doing it so badly with no finesse .... is this the Research and development he is boasting about ... I am at a loss for words...wonder how the rest of the kit will be...all butchered...
Thank you Mr.Abhimanyu for sharing the image...gosh you have stunned me...
Good thing you chose to dump the whole project, and save your bike and yourself from further agony...don't let go of the money you paid..not when the person is so callous and does whatever he wants to...It is your hard earned money ,which must be rightfully returned to you.