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I guess so... We recently opened a friend's splendor with a busted engine. There were no trace of any oil seals in the engine... The secondary air injector, carburetor, air filter...everything was flooded with oil... In his case the oil.travelled through the secondary injector to the filter box and then flooded the carb through there... Not sure if its possible to flood the filter box with clogging the carb pathways first..

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That we are talking about extreme condition right ? this might be a not so big leak or blow-by due to the busted rings ?? So the filter might be just getting wet, the foam filter of the pulsars can take quite a bit of liquid before dripping and eventually clogging the carb. BTW, lets wait for him to check the filter and filter box and revert back. Then we can have a clearer picture right.


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Krishna

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Yes, its an extreme and unlikely case where the mech damaged the engine on purpose... Visible Oil in the filter might result from the oil, applied during cleaning, condensing. It happens often too...
You are right. Lets wait for pics.

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Remember when i said that my bike's engine was rebuild, i had examined the filter box and filter before that, there was more oil than what would pass off as normal , as while cleaning or putting a new filter we do apply small dabs of oil on the filter to enhance the filtering a bit na, but that's trace amount, when i checked mine the filter box was wet, not too wet, but wet enough, checked it and was oil, then went in for the inspection, due to the improper seating of valves the oil blow by problem made the oil to reach there till the box,

Now i may be wrong though, but i then had the valves seated, new rings and all set up and never had that issue after the rebuild.

Note: mine was a stock block, just that it had been running lean for very long time , courtesy the RC ffe and me not rejetting it and the bike had run over 65k :-P at that time..

and yes, lets wait for pic.

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Krishna

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Hmm... Did you check the carburetor butterfly valve for oil resedue? (man, it sounds like csi)

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Lol, and i am the person doing the autopsy ?

Nothing major, the carb was cleaned fully after that.

BTW , lets not pollute this thread, by far this is the cleanest thread we have here. !!
Lets keep it that way..!! We can resume discussion in our 220 thread if we want to.

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Krishna

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Hi,

@All: As long as the discussions are productive, all the members are always welcome to share their views on this thread.

Anyways, while i was getting my vehicle checked and engine oil was topped up, i noticed the airbox had a higher concentration of engine oil deposition when compared to stock bike. We had cleaned it last time before installing the Motozone's head and cam. So after 1,700 kms and numerous oil top ups, there is a significant amount of oil present in the airbox which confirms the oil blowby due to failed piston rings.

Below is the dipstick with oil indicator after 800 kms of riding since, the last top up.



Pic 1: Dipstick showing oil above the low mark. A significant amount of oil consumption compared to stock.

I guess till the time i get a replacement kit, i have no choice but to pretend that i am riding a two stroke motor with an appetite for engine oil.

Besides the oil consumption, so far my FZ - X is giving me everything i was looking for:

* Good performance even with a pillion rider

* 0 - 100 kmph acceleration timings quicker than stock and the eagerness to cross 120 kmph without any hiccups. (Check out the acceleration video compared to stock bike video UPDATED on this post http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...e-fz18-53.html ... Even with my horrible skills, i recon i was still 2 seconds faster than stock!!)

* Cruise-ability factor of being kept at 90 - 100 kmph throughout the day which makes a very capable tourer in its own class.

* FE of 40 kmpl in the city premises which is quite commendable. Gives me a range of close to 500 kms on a single tank.

* Refinement at par with that of the stock FZ.

I would also recommend all the riders to ensure that the drive chain is properly maintained and the required tension and lubing is done religiously. It is the most ignored and the most important part of transmitting power from the engine to the rear tire. Due to the crazy rains since, the last one week, i was not able to clean my bike's chain properly. Yesterday, i cleaned the chain and the sprockets and then wiped it off with a old cloth. After that i judiciously applied SAE 140 W gear oil and then left it 24 hours. I immediately noticed a change in the performance and acceleration of my bike afterwards. She was riding even more freely. So guys make sure the drive chain is attended to at periodic intervals for better performance and longer life of the same.

Regardless, i have made all the preparations for my short trip of 300 kms. Got hold of the dirtsack waterproof cover from the road company. If the old thread members may recollect, i had purchased a Dirtsack Roadking saddlebag a year or two back (http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...-fz-s-930.html). It is still serving me well and the quality of stitches and zips are truely commendable. Both the owners JD and Mandar are gem of a person to deal with. I would personally recommend anyone planning to get hold of luggage storage related products from them (Dirtsack)






Pic 2 & 3: Old images showing the Dirtsack saddlebag installed on my FZ - X.




Pic 4: Dirtsack waterproof cover for my saddlebag.

My FZ - X has clocked around 1700+ kms since, the installation of the Motozone head and the cam. There has been no drama or irritations post the installation of the kits from their end. I must say, i was the lucky one out of the lot who escaped the headache of chasing Tooner for months to troubleshoot all the problems with my bike which would have never been solved and i would have most likely ended up being duped to purchase a 33mm flatside carburettor and a conical air filter too in the pursuit of performance and as an end result would have:

* lost a good bike (with a seizure eventually and would have been blamed for the same!),
* lost FE (CV carburettor is a million times better),
* lost performance,
* lost patience,
* lost hope.

and a lot of money if not for helpful riders like PSR Ji, abhimanyu31 and good and passionate guys: Mr. Vikram and Mr. Vijay from Motozone Performance.

My experience has finally taught me an important lesson; what works on a track will not necessarily work on streets!

What Noobs and all aspiring hot roders should keep some of these pointers in mind when going for this route is :

* What is your ultimate goal? Do you want an all out souped up bike with tons of performance and also have the money to repair or replace parts if things go wrong? The higher config you choose to opt for, the more the radical changes will have to be made with rest of the engine components like stronger con rod and crankshaft, gears etc. to compensate for in increase in forces of push, pull and friction to deal with.... or else it will reduce the life of the engine.

* If you want more performance then you will have to sacrifice on FE. You can't have the best of both worlds. Mine is still a milder build comparatively and results have been to my satisfaction minus the history sheet shared with you gentlemen.

* Hot roding is not about spending just 10k and then expecting to beat everyone on the road. It is not as simple as just plonking a bigger piston and block. There is a level of engineering and science involved when dealing with the parts which have to work in unison and precision with the rest of the engine components to function properly and reliably. You need specialists who can blueprint your engine, replace whatever is needed to have a better tolerance limits, understand the possibilities with the build and then provide you the end result. Unless you have the time, patience and the top $s to DIY building things right from the scratch.

* It is possible to generate 50 bhp from a 125cc motor as well but then the life of the engine will be 4 races or may be 30 laps on a track and that's about it. So one has to keep in mind keeping the requirements of the street what is physically and technically possible to do a street build which can be reliable and will give you better performance over stock.

* Just by plonking bigger and bigger oversized cylinder block will not give you more performance. There is a limit to what a single cylinder engine can take. What one needs to understand is beyond a certain CCs let's say on an FZ, the area inside the cylinder simply becomes too big for the mixture of fuel and air to fill every nook and corner efficiently and also the electric spark coming out of the spark plug to travel everywhere effectively to create the necessary ideal explosion inside the engine during a power stroke. It is this very explosion inside the 4 stroke motor which gives the power and at the end turns the rear wheel. So if one ends up plonking say a 300cc bb kit on an FZ, one will end up with generating far lesser power than a stock motor due to the phenomenon what i have mentioned above. Without a radical change in the design and components of the engine, you cannot expect better performance with the same.

* First understand your stock engine properly. If possible, read everything related to a 4 stroke engine. I am grateful to abhimanyu31 for introducing me to A. Graham Bell's book on 2 stroke and 4 stroke tuning. It gave me a proper insight about what is possible and what is not with a particular engine. A good amount of research will only help you in the long run to trouble shoot and understand your bike better.

I hope these pointers will help all the performance enthusiasts to take necessary and proper steps to enjoy the new found performance with after market kits.

more reports to follow soon...


Cheers,

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Shv18.....your bore and Piston are already in partially worn condition leading to oil consumption.....the oil is likely to be consumed at a higher rate as you log in more Kms....So beware , that you have to check oil level every 200 kms to be safe than be sorry

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May I know from where you got that book?? If pdf plz share the link in pm.. Thanks

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Sir,

i always carry a spare bottle of oil with me. The proposed trip will also have one bottle of oil with me ready to top up after covering a certain amount of kms, say 150 - 200 kms. Let's hope Motozone can quickly finish with the prototype for the NiKaSil BB kit.




Use the power of internet my friend and you shall get what you seek!!


UPDATE:

For readers who would like to know more about single cylinder engines in layman terms please do download this PDF excerpt from Superbike Magazine, 2009 (All courtesy senior rider abhimanyu31):http://db.tt/t2VlswpZ

I hope this helps both Noobs and riders to understand and capabilities, limitations and reason behind a manufacturer selecting a single cylinder engine over other platforms when designing and manufacturing a particular bike.

I am also sharing an interesting episode from Wheeler Dealers, Discovery Turbo regarding engine rebuild and installation on BB kit on a VW T2 panel van:



Hope you gentlemen find it interesting... The more we share, the more we learn...


Cheers,

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Super video... I don't know when Indian's are gonna do these types of modifications with the care he took to do.. I mean to His body(Gloves,goggles even for small nut removal) as well as the van. Also how easily he got the parts needed :/ That paint shop impressed me the most

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Meet the Motozone people.... You will not be disappointed....


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India it is already been done since, ages! Red Rooster, Motozone, N1 Engineering, Automech and many others have been doing it for a while. Whatever you find on the Fast and Furious crappy movie series like NOS, exhaust, porting, titanium valves, pistons, turbos, suspension etc. everything is available and has been done in India. Motozone has recently finished their work only building a stock Nissan 370 Z into a crazy monster and they have now few projects in hand like Bentley, Chrysler and A Toyota Fortuner...


Coming back to bikes... i will be most likely heading for my trip on 27th. So far thanks to Ganeshotsav in Mumbai it is simply impossible to take my bike out and do a speed run without the DB killer to test the performance and also shoot the GoPro video.

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I had contacted motozone recently, as per your recommendation, as i wanted a camshaft with decomp for my r15, turned out that they were not interested unless i bought the whole kit from them including a 40k piggy back ecu, according to me it's better to just do your research and import what ever parts you want yourself, rest you're pretty much on your own, we're still a very backward country, nothing is going to change for a very long time.

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Sorry to differ from you stefan as iam very very noob and have absolutely no experience in hot rodding which you have.morever iam new to xbhp but some days ago even when there was a thread or post mentioning motozone i had enquired about r15 parts (in their fb page)and hoped would get reply after 2 3 days but to my surprise i got a reply from mr.vikram within 2 hours as said i was a complete noob and asked them about the 180cc bb kit straight away which i had intended to take along with the exhaust and later the ecu he could hav just remained calm and quoted me the price but instead he adviced me not to go for bb kit at all after enquiring my budget he suggested me to get head porting and filter first then exhaust and save bb kit and ecu for last then again he didnt accurately knew the cost of a new head so when the head was too costly he said to send me the existing head when he could have just quoted the price and shut the case
I agree that their reputation of building better kits than Mr.X is not yet verified but yeah one thing i can vouch for is that the guy is a guy with a heart who thinks for his customer rather than just quoting prices and sending away the kits and lets the customer fend for himself if his bike goes kaput

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