Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18



Completely agree with you PSR ji. We are fortunate to have people like you and Abhimanyu31 guiding us. But the fact is, there are two kinds of people here, one like Shivang who have had very bad experience with Joel, and others like me who have had good experience with the same Tuner.

Yes, there are grave risks with hot rodding. After spending a lot of money, it may turn out to be a lemon. But a person who is willing to go that route should be aware of that and should take that into account.

From my experience with tuners like Joel & Motozone I have realised is eventually every tuner is same. Motozone guy isn't an Angel. Me, Abhay and a couple of other folks have heard him utter complete non-sense when we spoke to him in person. The Pipercross filter issue is something we have a laugh almost everyday.

I am not saying Joel is all good either. There is no smoke without fire. If people are not happy with his mods they should pen down their experience here and make others aware.

The point is Shivang is in same situation that I was when I decided to get my bike tuned. I was in Bangalore and was able to speak to Joel almost everyday regarding the mods just like Shivang is interacting with Motozone now. And I was happy with the results.


Everybody has the right to pen down their experience (Shivang is doing a good job here), but calling names to people, calling others stupid because they decide to go to Joel for business just because you had a bad experience is something that is not good.

Leave it to the people to decide what they want. Most of them are mature enough to realise what they are doing even after going through all the positive and negative reviews.

If people are willing to invest in Joels kits for Duke 200 inspite of all the negativity, give them advice if they ask you. But please don't vent your frustration on them, just because they decide to take the route you do not want.

Yes, I know there could be serious problems with my Duke while hot rodding, but having experienced his work before I am tempted to try out the mods again. I have tasted blood and I cant help it.

This time though I am aware of issues faced by others who were not fortunate enough, and I am lucky enough to be able to have their advice before I take the plunge.

Hope I am able to get the advice and wisdom from knowledgeable folks here in pursuit for my Hot rodded Duke 200.

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Chinmayakar....thanks for putting up your side of the arguments...I do not recollect anyone indulging in any name calling of anyone going for modifications...since This thread is about the failure of the mod attempt,and similar reports in other threads had already been expressed, a sharing of honest opinion had taken place...I sincerely hope you have gone through the reports of the Dazzler, R15 , P220 etc., failures penned by the respective end users.
The thread is for sharing information , and in case any particular problem is noticed, then draw specific attention to the same.....Shv18 is doing an Excellent job of it, and should be appreciated for remaining Neutral, without adding Color and Spice to it....We have seen many thread flaming out on same topic.....
Let us read the posts with an open mind and accept the same for what it means...

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18


Completely agree with you Sir. However, I am referring to the part where Joel is being referred to as a TOONER. Calling someone TOONER does not solve your problems.

I was also referring to unwanted advice dished out to D200 folks for changing the ignition parameters. Those guys were well aware of what they were doing. Please advice only when asked.

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Dude we are discussing our opinions. We didnt tag you or we didnt post it in duke 200 thread or we didnt stop you or anyone form hotroding. This thread is about hodroding and for newbies to know,what are the advantage and disadvantage of it. So we have every right to discuss and he had bad experience with joel. So he has every right to call him whatever he wants. Am not rude but saying that we have rights to discuss since its an open forum

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

No sir u dont.just go through forum rules once.discuss yes, calling names NO.

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Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

No where it is implied that calling someone otherwise will solve any problem..

If you pay someone 40,000/- plus in advance, made to wait for long on delivery of product, (which was promised to be delivered in quick time), and in the end get substandard material , which on use fails miserably and does not even deliver minimum amount of satisfaction, and the supplier suddenly becomes ,deaf to your calls /mails etc., and says is busy otherwise, and is unable to satisfactorily solve your problem under some pretext or other, and continues to ignore you, so that you have to kiss your hard earned 40,000/- good bye...what will you call such a supplier ? will you be affectionate towards him, or angry ?
Common sense tell me I will be extremely angry, and such people will have no more place in my life, and I will definitely share my experience,with others, so that no one else meets with the same fate.....
Regarding ignition timing issue, I feel it is with good intention....None of the CRITICAL Operating parameters of the KTM is known in detail... My guess is that he is trying to stop a Catastrophic failure before it happens and hence posted on the same....after all why should he say it if his intent is not good?, IT IS EASY NOT TO OFFER ANY OPINION, AND KEEP QUIET, and let life take you through your experience...when walking on the road, if someone happen to trip on a stone, as a well meaning human he will warn others about it, or try to move it away..If we find fault with such helpful people, we will ultimately have no one to pull us out of deep pit...

These are just my thought and in no way ,do I expect members to agree to it....

Re: Piston & Cylinder warping test

What do you mean by a endurance engine?
I know there are endurance races held abroad, something like that?

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

I just echoed what a lot of us D200 owners feel when unwanted advice is dished out. If you still want to do so, please do it, but no one cares.

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

I did not see any unwanted "venting" out by anyone on this thread. The discussion here is extremely mature in spite of the personal losses most of the posters have suffered at the hands of the Tooner. And what for? It is just to warn other members of this community about the pitfalls of these plug and pray kits. There is no personal motive here. I suggest that you let it be so.

Also, it is not "no one cares". Its just that YOU do not care. That's perfectly fine too. You have a choice not to follow this tread. Exercise that. By bringing out the dangers of changing ECU params of the D200, shv18 is just informing the readers of this thread that these plug and play ECUs too have a amount of risk associated to it. This helps lesser informed owners make a informed decision on whether to play around with the ECU or not. I think we should appreciate such posts.

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

When someone makes the effort to reply to you warning to be careful, please don't reply " no one cares"...because in your hour of need the same words can come back to you as a reply .....I hope for your Good, you will change this approach .....Life is a tough teacher, and is merciless in making us all learn.... the hard way, if we so prefer it.
Good Luck to you...

Drag runs set up

Hi All,

sorry for not responding, i am currently out with my parents on a family trip in Himachal Pradesh. I am indeed surprised with the way the discussions have taken place here during my short duration of absence. However, i feel all the readers are well aware of the intent behind this thread and the real reason behind my constant effort to educate and allow riders look at hot roding in a new perspective. I am indeed overwhelmed with the support and understanding i have received from all the fellow riders.. Thank you everyone for taking all my comments and concerns in a positive way..

Thank you [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] ji and [MENTION=11853]abhijeet080808[/MENTION] for sharing their respective views on the topic... I couldn't agree more and couldn't have expressed my real intent better than you gentlemen have.. Anyways, keeping in line with the momentum of the thread, let's not deviate from the topic and turn this thread into another flamed infused one and let's continue with my story so far..

My FZ - X has been handed over to Motozone for inspection, engine blue printing and initial tests with different carbs in order to see which config gives us what results till the time i return to Mumbai. So on "D" day of the test we are in a better position to just swap the carbs and get the Gtech data logger test done without fiddling around with the carb config, set ups, jetting etc...

So stay tuned for more updates regarding the developments on the same. This is going to be a lot of fun

In the mean time i would request [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] ji to share with us his findings and experience with different types of carburettors so that all readers, especially Noobs are well aware of what is to be expected from different types of carbs. Sir if i remember correctly you had shared a good and informative study on the latest developments with the diesel locomotive engines in India. Would request you to kindly enlighten us on this thread just for knowledge sharing purpose.

I shall try to log in whenever i do get proper network reception and internet connectivity..

Regarding revealing the real story behind bullet proof claims.. believe me!! i have just finished my warm up...

Soon to be disclosed... "Tooner's special Race Clutch springs Vs. Stock Clutch Springs: A quick way of losing 2k from your wallet" with data and scientific tests to back my findings..


Till then..

Cheers,

Re: Drag runs set up

Guess you are having a well deserved outing with the family .....
Regarding carburetors, a separate thread is required to understand their, construction,type, and applications,since they are not easy devices to " setup " without knowing the basics and a hands on experience....with the increased introduction of Fuel Injection ,even in 100 cc engines,the end days of Carburetor is near....
So I will try to share what little i know of them..

Carburetors can be classified by their type of air breathing , Venturi , and slide/butterfly options ...

I will be brief and use simple terms to express .

The type of Air inlet into Carburetor describes the device's " draft " type.
A carburetor breathing air from an air filter from below it's level, is called the " Updraft " carb.,since the air flow into the carburetor is upwards direction.. This type of carb., prevented Flooding due it's nature of construction, and mostly used in early engines...
A Carburetor breathing air from an Air Filter ,from a higher level , is called " Down Draft", since the Air flow is down wards..this was a method most popular from the 1930's, and most of the older Vintage restored Cars are witness to this popular design..
Both the Updraft and Downdraft Carburetors were possible as long as engine bay spaces were adequate...but with more higher power, bigger engine with more cylinders started filling the engine bay, space became premium and so the " Side Draft" carburetor came into being.....
One of the Biggest advantage of the Side Draft carburetor was it had direct delivery of air in tune with Accelerator, and by reducing the distance from Air filter to carb., air delivery and better acceleration was possible due to less air turbulence in intake manifold of carburetor..Still the shorter the Carburetor inlet pipe, the better the engine's response, and any length above 2 inches warrants resonance tuning ..

Another classification of Carburetor is by their Venturi design...

There are predominantly Two types of Venturi design ie., The Fixed type and The Variable Venturi...

The Fixed Venturi is just as it says.....The Venturi of the Carburetor is fixed and there are no Throttle slides in them...There is a Throttle Butterfly Valve as it is called which regulates the air flow through the carburetor venturi, and hence the Vacuum signal, and the amount of Petrol drawn through the metering tube.....Unless very carefully selected for a particular engine design, more often these carburetors will allow more air under hard acceleration and cause AF mix lean out.....
To counter this problem later design of Carburetors had a design modification...they added an accelerator pump...this was a rubber diaphragm which was actuated when the accelerator was used suddenly ...this in turn pumped petrol through an auxiliary jet , into the Carb., Venturi . This method had the draw back of flooding the engine during sudden acceleration at less than optimum RPM....Another Clever design change was brought in to counter this problem .The Venturi was divided into two sections ...the primary section was actuated by the accelerator and the secondary chamber was actuated by the Vacuum signal from the engine. This meant that the primary venturi had strong vacuum signal ,having balanced AFR and when the engine achieved a specific higher RPM ,the engine vacuum will open the secondary venturi to give more richer AFR and higher acceleration.This kind of Carburetor can be seen in Maruti cars with carburetor.

The Variable Venturi Carburetor is just what it's name says....the inner diameter of the carb is fixed, which is what we mention when referring to the carb ....this is the Venturi size....in the variable venturi carb, a Throttle slide , along with needle is used to meter the AFR as required.
In this there are Two types...the direct actuated and Vacuum operated....In the direct operated type the throttle slide operation is controlled by the amount of throttle given , and this type of carburetor was used in the TWO stroke / performance engines.....and in the Constant Vacuum type it is the engine Vacuum which decides on the AFR ...the CV carb is more forgiving in conditions of wrong " Setup ", though a proper Venturi size is a must for guaranteed performance.It is easier to tune in a CV carb., than a Normal carb...

In the slide shape also there are three types of slides..." The Round, The D Type and The Flat Type"
The Round type slide is more linear in air flow governance, the D Type is a bit more aggressive, and the Flat type allows the Maximum flow...

This in brief is the Common Types of carbs ..

Hope this is helpful....

Here are some Images to help....

The Updraft


The Down draft


The side draft CV type


The Four Venturi Holley Carb for performance Drag car

Firebrigade Bullet

Hi All,

Forgive me for an OT but today i just saw a bullet on active service as a fire brigade in Shimla, Himachal Pradesh. This is something new for me.. so just though of sharing the pics with my fellow riders :





Pic 1 & 2: A proud moment for RE fans. Bullet on active duty as a fire brigade vehicle.


Cheers,

Re: Firebrigade Bullet

Hi all,

Shv18, are you back from your short trip to the north??? Hope you found your God and now will be at peace for some while.

I am sorry that I had been absent for an extended period of time from this thread after assuring all that iwould get the remaining tuning done
by Motozone at the earliest.

The thing is that I was advised against using computer or television after my EYE operation last fortnight.

I really am not able to understand why fate is smitinf me at this hour of my life. One after the other I am facing a lot of hurdles.

The operation was done coz of a metal particle lodged into my EYE during work. It had slit open my upper eye and for a moment it was the
bloody eye scene from bollywood movies.

Luckily my retina survived the slit and am now able to see some blurr images at the moment. So as soon as they removed my eye patch
today I am here posting about the delay in getting my ride tuned.

Also without naming any others I am of the opinion that whoever follows this thread, does so, by his/her choice.

Nobody is dragging anybody and making him write or read this thread. People who dont care should refrain from making this thread foul
by withholding their unnecessary remarks.

Those who read this thread are mature and intelligent enough what to take and what not to take from this thread. ME and shv18 dont
want other noobs or the less informed guys take the plunge first and then regret their decion for hot rodding.

We are merely stating practical facts here and not any scientific assumptions for the benefit of the whole community at large.

Also those who do not want it can simply ignore the advice and go with their lives. As PSR sir said earlier life is tough and you dont know when it
would smite you in the face.

That time these very people you despise will be here day and night trying to help you in spite of our differences.

cheers...

Re: Firebrigade Bullet

Novice......Very sad to hear what happened to your eye, but don't you wear eye protection when you work ? eye is an important part of us and a person used to it, cannot be without it..so please do take care...I have gone through my share of eye injuries and broken parts, which made me realise that what we take for granted is actually a gift from God,and we must respect this Gift and take Good care of it....I had started looking at life on a different perspective since ...
Good Luck, and wish you a speedy recovery and a Healthy Happy life....