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I was actually going to get my ZMR Tooned by the Tooner last year. Can't show how lucky I am. I sent a mail to the Tooner and he was asking me to courier the ZMR bore kit so that he can do the big bore and send the other required products.. Thanks to 2 people who stopped me from going to this Tooner [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir and [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION] whom i am grateful to.. if not for them, I would have lost my hard earned money and my peace that I have with my bike right now.

I hope at-least now the people don't get cheated or don't go to the tooner and lose their hard earned money

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Well, personally i denounce any sort of physical means to get things done in the right manner.. Though i really won't be surprised if someone ends up taking things too personally and goes ahead with such an approach...

Many thanks mate. I hope your extended report log will throw more light into the matter and let people know the real face of the Tooner.




Thanks mate.

Even after all this, i am still a firm believer in hot roding and now i know what are the correct ways of getting things done.

For e.g. If someone wants to convert a Pulsar 180 to a 200cc without losing any stock reliability and gain performance in return, all one needs to do is visit one of the Bajaj Spares shop and look out for a Pulsar 200cc block and piston kit (old 2008/09 model) and just plonk that in place of the Pulsar 180 stock block and piston with correct torque ranges.

Total cost?? 5k max inclusive of required engine gaskets and labour for installation.

The reason i would call it reliable??

* The Bore X Stroke length is more or less same between the Pulsar 180 and Pulsar 200 (2008/09) model.
* The CDI unit, 29mm CV Carburettor (jetting remains the unchanged), camshaft, intake and exhaust valves, Ignition timing, Electricals, everything else is same.
* The block and piston to be replaced from 180 to 200 cc, is manufactured by OEM Bajaj company only. So the chances of a faulty bore or the piston kit is very remote.

Plus there are many people who have done it and their respective bikes are running fine without any niggles. If one further wants to improve the performance then a proper head porting and if required altered port geometry can be done to get the desired result without losing any performance. Unlike what the Tooner wants you to believe that he is the whole and sole of everything , one doesn't need a special 208cc big bore kit for converting a Pulsar 180 to a 200cc engine, pay through his nose hoping to get good performance and later only to be greeted by a series of problems and then finally engine seizure!

There exists a good side of hot roding, if one understands the various aspects of the engine, engineering involved, is well informed and educated about the process and is willing to tinker around with his bike. This goes for any vehicle be it a two wheeler or four wheeler.

All i am trying to say is Hot roding in itself is not bad. It is the unfortunate misuse and association of hot roding with a particular Tooner in question that has drawn a lot of negative publicity to this subject. I hope people will still look at hot roding in a good way, but from now on being better informed riders will simply just omit Tooner completely out of the scene.

I am happy for you mate. And yes @psr Ji is always there to help anyone. I have learnt a lot from him..


Cheers,

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Hats off to your efforts. All these posts reminds me of my conversations with the Tooner. I can see the same excuses everywhere that i received and numerous frustrated customers like me. Its really Sad

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FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS I had been listening to such tales of woe from affected owners....I had initially shouted at them ,and asked them where was their common sense ? But at the same time I understood that these poor guys needed help and not my anger,and so started to help out as much as I can...which is how my Life became useful to others in Xbhp.. The happiness I got out of this is huge, and I must thank these people for their trust in me....and to God for the knowledge and guidance.

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I absolutely agree with you. A 180, can be made a 200, or with some more budget a 220 easily. Infact we (me and some other friend) have speculated about the convertion since the advent of the 200 and 220. I have overseen 2 and done one such convertion myself. I moded my classic 180 with a 220 topend.

It is the lack of drive in people to gain any knowledge regarding their own builds that amazes me.

A very famous 2-stroke tuning house in India always encourages its customers and site members to get their hands dirty and get in to diy. I never understood why, untill I started working on my own bikes. In a matter of 3 years I reached a point where I dont visit a mechanic or svc anymore. All maintainance and builds are done by me at home in my spare time.

First try to understand what you are about to put your bike through before blindly trusting an individual with it. Nobody is asking you to be an expert. But atleast develop enough common sense in the matter that you do not get duped by such people.


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Agree with this point.
People don't want to get their hands dirty or give their bikes some of their 'precious' time. Most just want more Power, Performance, FE and what not without doing anything. This is the Reason why people like this greedy Tooner has been successful in exploiting people to no end.
I can't say I am not one to them, but I stopped due to my negligible knowledge and mostly due to lack of .
But now I know better and will also learn for the mistakes of others.

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The mentality of most people is that working on a bike is a menial job so its beneath them to get their hands dirty. I am not talking about people in the context of this thread, its a general observation.

What the "race tuner" claims from his kits, bullet proof reliability, better than stock performance, I have seen all this being achieved by various reputed tuners in India, specially on 2-stroke bikes. But thats a different case as older bikes had very bad electricals, shody ignition systems, poorly finished engine internals, overall less than average build quality. So even the slightest of modification with modern tech made those bikes better than stock.

But the bikes in question here already have optimum level of tech in them for the most potent balance of performance and reliability. So when someone says that he can deliver 25%+ gains on a stock engine with better than stock reliability, one should immidiately recognise it as hot air.

The ignorance of people, further amplified by their inability or unwillingness to learn helps such "tuners".

For example, I came across a thread recently where a poor r15 owner shared a pic of his exhaust glowing red as if it was in a furness. I know of only 2 cases where an exhaust gets heated to such a degree, ie; either the timing is too retarded or the mixture is extremely lean. This seemed a combination of both. Yet, the owner initially refused to believe that RC had given him a bad cam and his new headwork was useless without a new fuel map. This kind of ignorance helps the tuner make a monkey out of clueless riders.

So make a point to learn first, mod later. Do not go for a mod, without understanding its basics first.

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Hey Bibhu, I am that poor r15 owner sadly. However I learnt the things the hard way :P Sometimes a knock on the head is needed, which I got in this case. But the better part is that I learned a lot, became more active here and still have a lot to learn. Getting a KTM 390 possibly in a week and planning to stay at service station while services/repair working along with the mechs to know the things better. No hotrodding till I know what Im actually playing with.

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Without quality parts, Hot rodding is a Money Pit....Even so we don't have Technically competent personnel to either do it, and/or maintain it . So unless you have both, My request is to stay away from it...If you want more power, then Buy a Bike with higher power and be happy with stock reliability and service backup.

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I was shocked to see your exhaust man.. It was horrible. Be glad that you didnt melt your valves.

Congratulations on the 390. As psr sir said, stick with stock unless you are in with a lot of funding and experts for moding. A stock engine is always more reliable than a shody modjob. As per some experts the 390 already runs on very advanced timing and very high compression. So not not much scope for mods anyways.

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Some of us want to learn but we dont get much help.
I try to gather as much knowledge as I can but its not enough to do DIY and my RTR is also new so cant work on it
Hope to learn a lot of things from fellow members.

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I have done my part. But the real thanks goes out to guys like you, shv18 and numerous others who have come forward and shared their side of the story. At the end, thanks to the combined efforts, the community here is made aware of what actually goes on in the name of tuning at RC.

As they say, one can fool all the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.

And yes, hot-rodding by itself is not to be viewed in a negative fashion. But, firstly, get to know what you are getting into. For instance, I had done numerous electrical mods on my bikes, the most major of them being that AC to DC conversion on the P150. That bike still runs fine after 5+ years. With only one battery replacement needed and NIL replacement needed for any other electrical components. This, is what you get when you mod anything with proper knowledge - enhanced performance with stock reliability. If you know what you are doing, you can have your cake and eat it too. Otherwise, the cake will end up on your face.

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Just went through all the recent posts cause a few friend mentioned about this thread in a whatsapp group. My heartfelt condolence to all the disappointed RC customers. The itch for more power is something you just cant ignore. I remember contacting Joel around 3 years back, he had promised to complete the work within a single day and given me an approx budget of 18k excluding consumables, the price was a bit too high considering that I'm a student. So had kept that aside, thats when a ZMA user had rebored with a P220 piston, which seemed a cheaper alternative best suited for me. I did some online research and had the opportunity to speak with many Bajaj users from Indonesia who had experimented on their Pulsar's, there was one guy who got a 76mm piston in his P150 with a retro mod that replaced the DTSi head with a classic one, so I thought why dont I do something, it seemed cheaper especially if I get the lathe work done locally and install it myself, the P220/ZMA user had mentioned that I would need to resleeve. Did some asking around and got to hear tales of local mechs in an area nearby who built 300cc Pulsars for races, but where unreliable for the long run and returned less FE. Even then I didnt give up home, assuming that if I do everything right it might end up well for me. And thats when some one from Xbhp(The guy who got hit by a lorry and fell off a bridge.) warned me about liner thickness, and the reliability factor, did some googling and found out what he said to be true, then I decided, why not keep the bore stock and do some head work, I decided to get the bike ported and thats when I met a RD350 friend who educated me about a tool called the flow bench, and said local porting will only reduce efficiency. In the end, I ended up feeling sad about not being able to hot rod my bike, but then again, in the process I got to learn alot on how engines work and tooning is not just about plonking a bigger bore and enlarging the valves, but instead its a calculated approach that needs not just technical know how, but hard earned experience.

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I rather IGNORE you than fight with worthless opponent. Peace brother

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Removed. For now.