I would request everyone to maintain a decorum on this thread like it has always been the case. Discussions are welcome but everything else.. i believe we all are informed and mature enough not to take such steps which will dampen the spirit of this thread less invite flaming and then we repeat the history like it has been observed in other threads..


I sincerely, hope my request will be considered by my fellow members..


Cheers,

And what exactly are you doing here now ? other than talking ?
Or do you have any particular problem with other people coming and sharing their experience by being cheated by this person in question and thereby building a stronger case against him so that other potential people searching about his products can be saved by reading the over whelming evidence about his work ?

Exactly, why does someone always have to come in to introduce a bit of unwanted masala in threads like these ? It's really hard to find a good informative thread in this whole site now a days..!! Hate to see it go like this.

What am I doing here now? Well the answer to that is, I am here in Bangalore now.. Come on people, I take the initiative.. I have my stock karizma and I am ready to approach this so called tooner for his R&D work on my bike.. Do anyone from here who have been cheated from tooner can come forward and support me to build a case against him?

His VTec did a sub 10 sec (or near-abouts) quarter mile at the Aamby Valley run in March 2013. That brought him laurels and customers. AFAIK, he was the winner as well and is very proud of his *naturally aspirated* VTec. His own car is pretty pimped up though and one can see that he has put a lot of effort, money and time into it, but when it comes to customers' vehicles; he simply fleeces them with shoddy products and parts.

Any mechanic/tuner/tuning house gains respect in the long run only if they treat customers' vehicles as their own and work on them diligently while applying scientific logic (and not some vague concepts). His case is the opposite!

Well, that settles it, you are doing the right thing and taking initiative. Many people might not want to or not have the time for it, it's their problem. Being judgmental and calling names was not needed.
Nothing against you mate. Just saying.

All the best with your meeting with him to settle things, do update the aftermath here.

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

This post again and again reminds me that I am in INDIA... Guys... Come on now... Dont just talk the talk but walk the walk.. Remember an saying, Barking dogs never bites!! All I can see here is only barking

@ Night_Shade...What is your exposure to the Tooner's expertise ? ..Have you ever helped ANY bike owner who had met with problems, and ultimately he had to say goodbye to Tens of thousands of rupees ? Do you know what that pain is ? few pages back I had posted a picture of a dirty and old Carburetor...it was actually supposed to be a new one Race Tuned...and was later removed from a Tooned Karizma-R...since drive ability was poor and FE of 18 Kms per liter....the tooner washed off his hand moment he got his money, and did not attend to Phone Calls or SMS or E-mail..as usual he was busy with Race "SEASON," R&D, etc.,and he supplied the 3 rd rate Carb...You wish to call it Ability , commitment ,or What ?
I had Helped many Tooned bikes owners, both in Xbhp and outside it...
Many had shared the experience with me, and they requested me not to post anything about their bad experience....Many 180 and 190cc BB kit owners were supplied with 33mm Carburetor...Now many are keeping it as Paper Weight...are you aware of this ? 6,500/- wasted, just because the Tooner had bought these carbs in lots from scrap yard....

Comparing ,members and thread contributors to a DOG shows your insensitivity ...

I would consider being called a "DOG an honor rather than a "Tooner" .

Wish you and your Karizma-R a long and Happy life

While we were at it, another disgruntled rider came to Motozone with his CBR 250R with a host of issues right from bad ride handling to no gain in performance even after the head porting was done on his vehicle's engine head. When the engine was disassembled, being a DOHC configuration and 4 valve head, it was discovered that the inlet ports were unevenly ported and the size of one intake port was callously larger than the other one which resulted in robbing the A-F charge from the cylinder and reduced the overall power generation efficiency of the engine. So rather than making more power with the famed Racing experience our Race Tooner successfully reduced the overall power output of the stock motor. Motozone then agreed to re-engineered the whole engine head and re-port and polished it to improve the flow of charge into the cylinder.

In order to address the issue of handling, our Tooner had installed a steering damper on the side of the vehicle which as per the reports from the user would get undone in a matter of few kms and would actually start hampering with the freeplay of the handlebar instead of aiding it. So when the side panels were removed to see what was the reason behind this issue, we were shocked to witness the unthinkable:



Pic 4: Hole drilled in order to install the steering damper.



Pic 3: Steering damper removed from its bolted position.



Pic 4: Tooner drilled a hole in the frame of the chassis!



Pic 5: Animated CBR 250R Chassis frame structure. The red dot indicates the place where the hole was drilled to accommodate the steering damper mounting point.

So Mr. Tooner managed to install the steering damper by drilling holes in the T section of the chassis. For Noobs, please understand one thing; when in motion the whole of chassis is designed by the manufacturer to flex and be structurally rigid at the same time to counter the stresses of various force generated due to the vehicle's movement. By drilling into the frame without any consideration, our Tooner actually managed to weaken the overall strength of the chassis thus, compromising the integrity of the same. When the inspection was done, as the pics confirm above, rust formations had already started building up which eventually may lead to breaking of the chassis under severe stress thus endangering the life of the rider. Our Tooner was so inconsiderate that he managed to drill a hole right through a welding joint. Now i am no structural engineer but common sense tells me that this approach is stupid and is weakening the welded joint by a greater margin.


It was later discovered that the so called stiffened racing clutch springs sold to the rider were actually softer than the Honda OEM company ones. If you are interested in finding out whether the clutch springs sold to you by the Tooner is stiffer or softer than stock ones, a simple experiment of load bearing and contraction should give you guys an idea about the same. First a stiffer spring by default has a lesser no. of coils in comparison to the softer ones. Secondly, all you need to do is put up a simple apparatus where you put on a specified amount of weight on top of the spring and measure the amount of dampening in comparison to the latter one. Say 500 gms for this experiment. If the Tooner's stiffer clutch spring dampens more than the stock clutch springs, well gentlemen you know who's neck to get hold of and demand for a refund i presume??

I gained a considerable knowledge about engine tuning and performance, finally i was able to track down a real motorcycle engine tuning house Motozone, instead of one pretending to be.. if you know what i am saying!!


To summarise my love for Tooner after having a first hand experience with his kits, i would like to share this image with all of you readers:

I Pity the CBR 250 owner .The Holes drilled in the Lower Triple tree clamp defeats common sense, and the holes drilled in the frame really takes the cake . This means the damper was positioned below ,and at an angle...The Video you had posted is the correct way of positioning a steering damper. Added to this the CBR 250's inlet ports have also been messed up..I hope Motozone had been able to correct the mess , though only a new head will be able to give stock reliability...If you know the owner of the CBR 250, request him to get the chassis hole welded and closed,and the Lower Triple tree Clamp replaced.
I am sure the Race Springs will be another Sham begging to be exposed...

It was Good of you to Share so much of the "Good" and the "Bad" phases and experiences of your hot rodding. You have ,and will be helping many from getting taken for a ride by unscrupulous people in the name of Hot rodding..

If only the other owners of "Tooned" bikes have spoken out , many would have been saved from a Lower bank balance and a harrowing experience.

Sir the last i heard from the CBR owner, after installing the reworked CBR head, he was witnessing 134 - 137 kmph+ speed runs in under 500 mtr runs. As per the calculation of Mr. Vikram the stock ECU was able to handle the slight changes in fuelling without leaning out the fuelling in the CBR 250R.


Cheers,

Sorry to hear about laptop problem.....well you'll need to toon it before ceases. RC make?
Experts here can help you. Cheer up!!

Sir,

i believe what @Night_Shade meant by visiting the Tooner was with sarcasm..

Regardless, I am glad that the members have resolved the discussion in an amicable manner. Now the question remains how can all of us contribute in spreading the awareness on xbhp and to unsuspecting Noobs. I feel that should be the pressing agenda of the hour and hopefully we will be successful in eliminating this menace from xbhp for good.

Cheers,

before the year ends , i would like share my part of story which took place in the same year itself i.e 2013.
the CBR250R in the pics, its my ride which was TOONED and you people very well by now know , who hold a gr eat experience in TOONING and NOT TUNING..

Thanks a ton TO @shv18 for writing what i was supposed to write , right when all this all happened..
Right now , i will just write a short summary.. complete story to come in the new year:
1. the inlet ports were unevenly ported and the size of one intake port was much larger than the other one which resulted in robbing the A-F charge from the cylinder and reduced the overall power generation efficiency of the engine. So rather than making more power with the famed Racing experience our Race Tooner successfully reduced the overall power output of the stock motor.
When a guy who thinks he is a RACE ENGINEER does head porting , its his responsibility to take care of the SHIM sizes and QUALITIES to be used, when Mr.Vikram from MOTOZONE op ened the head , 2 of the SHIMS didnt had any sizes written on them and one could easily make out that these are very low quality SHIMS when compared to SHIMS provided by any other bike brand. There was so much of POWER FADING with very abnormal pattern due to the TOONERS HEAD JOB

2. As mentioned about the so called STIFFENED RACING CLUTCH SPRINGS , they are actually the OEM springs,
i dont have a pic right now , shv18 has it and i will upload later on..

3. The TOONER installed AN R15 filter(SIMOTA) on a CBR250r , Moreover he kept the AIR FILTER TRAY with himself..

4. HE charged me 3300 for a pair of PULSAR220F STEEL BRAIDED LINES , which he installed on my bike , MOREOVER he again kept the STOCK ones with HIMSELF.

5. The WORST he did was he installed the steering damper by drilling a hole on the chassis and the the lower tree triple clamp..

6. As he is famous for his waiting periods, he made me wait 7 MONTHS for sending the exhaust , by saying "ITS DONE , ITS READY , FINAL DYE, WILL BE SENT NEXT WEEK "
WHENEVER I ASKED FOR REFUND , HE SOMEHOW MADE ME BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE SENT TOMORROW.. AND THAT TOMORROW NEVER CAME.. FINALLY I MANAGED TO PLAY SOME TRICKS AND GOT MY REFUND BACK..


@psr Sir , its good to see your concern for fellow bikers,.
Now everythings is perfect , Mr. Vikram is genius at his work , desp ite of the Head being messed up by the TOONER , MOTOZONE was able to extract much more SMOOTHNESS a nd POWER fr om the SAME HEAD , i just dont know , what will MOTOZONE do with A BRAND NEW HEAD , i guess it would be a ROCKET

STEERING DAMPER was removed at the first , after removing , it was discover that the CYLINDER of the DAMPER was very TAPERED due to RUBBING against the LEFT FORK PIPE..



This was the PLUS POINT of MOTOZONE's HEAD PORTING , there was no fueling issues as such which was observed with HEAD PORTING done BY the TOONER..
The HEAD WORK by MOTOZONE gave PROPER POWER, SMOOTHNESS and EFFICIENCY without any ECU remaps..

And after reading the last 10 pages, I am more than shocked and take my words back on whatever I said on biking philosophy and what not (in my posts and threads yet to be/already approved). The posts in this thread were made after I gave the bike for installation. Right now I have the bike with stage 1 kit which includes the BB kit, cam and exhaust. Lets see how good it goes. I am trying to contact Joel for fuelling issue question but he seems to be busy.

Why do I have a feeling that my year might start off bad.

After going through this thread from page 1 to this, I can say that the best option you have is to revert back to stock set-up as soon as possible.
Thats the best thing you could do for yourself.