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**psr** · 12-30-2013, 02:04 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by ryan.virgo View Post

Will try sending pictures to people who consider reading boring or a waste of time. Pictures like the one in the below link should be good eye openers .

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http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/attachments/general-biking-discussion/129041d1387722461-powerhouse-fz18-1387722452534.jpg

There are lots more especially the ones where he drilled holes in the bike frame

[MENTION=21046]Ryan[/MENTION]...there are more Pictures with me, which cannot be shared here , because the owner had not given me the go ahead...some are down right pathetic and terrible mods...

**ryan.virgo** · 12-30-2013, 02:11 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by psr View Post

@Ryan...there are more Pictures with me, which cannot be shared here , because the owner had not given me the go ahead...some are down right pathetic and terrible mods...

Yes Sir, I too was tempted to post this image on the RTR thread but did not for the same reason. Anyway the Gentleman whom Divya Sharan and road_ripper were advising has gone through the last pages and realised what the other side of RC is.

**psr** · 12-30-2013, 02:24 PM

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Here are TWO sample Pictures of the RACE TUNING....

The SEMI FORGED, (quarter,full ???) Race Tuned Piston Giving unprecedented acceleration, with better than stock reliability,...doing it's duty...

The NEW Race Tuned Pure Performance Carburetor , specially tuned for Street and Track duty, giving RAW power from the Low to Mid and makes the engine a High Speed Screamer....The gook on the NEW carb is because it had been field tested and all the Track dust can be seen ...RC delivers what it promises.

**prateek2210** · 12-30-2013, 03:11 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by Sherwin View Post

No. Who is that?

OT : The id : JBL

**shv18** · 12-30-2013, 05:13 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by Adarsh_Bk View Post

@shv18 & @N-o-v-i-c-e, please edit the beginning of the first post. Please add links to all the posts which reveal the true story of RC or atleast tell the readers that story has a big twist waiting! And also links to all the informative posts by you, @psrji, @abhimanyu31 etc. This should really help in reading only the required portion of this 83 page thread!

Posts above by Divya & road_ripper clearly indicate that this thread is not fully achieving its purpose

Based on request, the 1st page has been edited along with instructions i hope anyone can clearly read and distinguish from the rest of the history posts...

The POWERHOUSE Fz18 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-biking-discussion/23969-powerhouse-fz18.html#post874485

General Biking Discussions: Questions, complaints, concerns, rants & everything in between, of course related to biking.

Hope this helps...

Cheers,

**Legend Racer** · 12-30-2013, 05:17 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by road_ripper View Post

There needs to be a new thread opened to make everyone aware with title like RC long term review/ RC woes or something like that to reach bigger audience

cut the crap. file a simple lawsuit. that too in a different state so that the tooner has to spend time for court rather than races and r & d. its not about us reaching big audience, but about, him not reaching big audience...

**Bibhu** · 12-30-2013, 06:21 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by Legend Racer View Post

cut the crap. file a simple lawsuit. that too in a different state so that the tooner has to spend time for court rather than races and r & d. its not about us reaching big audience, but about, him not reaching big audience...

You can not file a law suit in this context as modifying engines which are in street use, is illigal ab initio. So under the contract act, an illigal transaction can not be the basis of a suit.

Spreding awareness is the only viable alternative here. What amazes me is, why such "tuners" are allowed to advertise their products or services here. This forum is for gaining knowledge and sharing experiences. Not for making a buck of uninformed enthusiasts. If brand bashing and name calling is so seriously watched by moderators here then why not such malicious conduct which is a far greater problem than petty squables.

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**Legend Racer** · 12-30-2013, 06:39 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by Bibhu View Post

You can not file a law suit in this context as modifying engines which are in street use, is illigal ab initio. So under the contract act, an illigal transaction can not be the basis of a suit.

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there is no proof that the customers are using it for daily use or on streets, simply put, the mods were for race track trials. even if its proven that they have used it on streets which is illegal, then why the hell is the supplier supplying such illegal things?

AFAIK, the problem is about cheating and false claims with dubious products and ,making money illegally. he is doing transactions without any tax rules. try to understand the cheating rules in our IPC sections. cheating ignorant people, whether illegal or legal is to be charged.

well, im very sad/ angry about the ways of RC. screwing our rides is unforgivable... he may or may not get punished from court, but let him have his own hurdles. thats too...

**abhimanyu31** · 12-30-2013, 07:42 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by Bibhu View Post

You can not file a law suit in this context as modifying engines which are in street use, is illigal ab initio. So under the contract act, an illigal transaction can not be the basis of a suit.

Spreding awareness is the only viable alternative here. What amazes me is, why such "tuners" are allowed to advertise their products or services here. This forum is for gaining knowledge and sharing experiences. Not for making a buck of uninformed enthusiasts. If brand bashing and name calling is so seriously watched by moderators here then why not such malicious conduct which is a far greater problem than petty squables.

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Not exactly true. Under Motor Vehicles Act 1988 what you say is true. However, Motor Vehicles Act is enforceable by the State and does not have power to negate a commercial transaction between 2 private parties that have entered into a contract for certain services and products. Like [MENTION=23956]Legend Racer[/MENTION] says there are sections under which suits can be filed, both civil as well as criminal.

Here a commercial transaction has taken place under which something was promised (which may be verbal or in writing) and in lieu of that promised products and services the person/ company has charged a certain amount of money. However, the products and services fell well short of what was promised and in some cases was not delivered at all. In such circumstances refund of money is the least of the recourse. If there was intent to cheat then criminal proceedings are also a recourse. Whether the products and service sold and bought are contrary to the Motor Vehicles Act is something for the State to decide and whom, where and how to prosecute for the violation of the Act will entail the State filing separate legal proceedings against the parties in court of law which have no bearing on legal rights and contentions of the buyer in his case against the supplier.

**Bibhu** · 12-30-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Legend Racer View Post

there is no proof that the customers are using it for daily use or on streets, simply put, the mods were for race track trials. even if its proven that they have used it on streets which is illegal, then why the hell is the supplier supplying such illegal things?

AFAIK, the problem is about cheating and false claims with dubious products and ,making money illegally. he is doing transactions without any tax rules. try to understand the cheating rules in our IPC sections. cheating ignorant people, whether illegal or legal is to be charged.

well, im very sad/ angry about the ways of RC. screwing our rides is unforgivable... he may or may not get punished from court, but let him have his own hurdles. thats too...

That way a case will be filed in the name of each and every coustomer too bro. And reckless endangerment would be added to illigally moding vehicles. Its very complex. Yes you can file for fraud, but then again, you would have to prove that he had gurenteed the success of his product in writing which not the case as hes not a registered company as far as i know. Putting him under criminal fraud is even harder than claiming non-performance of contractual obligation.

If it were my bike, I would do it the old fashioned way. If know what I mean. Thats the only language such people understand.

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**Sherwin** · 12-30-2013, 08:07 PM

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There should be some way to sue him. Can't the posts which were posted by him considered as a written proof? If all the victims who were affected by him join hands and file a complaint, there is definetely probablity to win the case. If there is no way to take action against him legally atleast illegally there should be an option.

**Legend Racer** · 12-30-2013, 08:09 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post

Not exactly true. Under Motor Vehicles Act 1988 what you say is true. However, Motor Vehicles Act is enforceable by the State and does not have power to negate a commercial transaction between 2 private parties that have entered into a contract for certain services and products. Like @Legend Racer says there are sections under which suits can be filed, both civil as well as criminal.

Here a commercial transaction has taken place under which something was promised (which may be verbal or in writing) and in lieu of that promised products and services the person/ company has charged a certain amount of money. However, the products and services fell well short of what was promised and in some cases was not delivered at all. In such circumstances refund of money is the least of the recourse. If there was intent to cheat then criminal proceedings are also a recourse. Whether the products and service sold and bought are contrary to the Motor Vehicles Act is something for the State to decide and whom, where and how to prosecute for the violation of the Act will entail the State filing separate legal proceedings against the parties in court of law which have no bearing on legal rights and contentions of the buyer in his case against the supplier.

heck, are you from a court room? the last sentence... had to read 2-3 times...

**incipient** · 12-30-2013, 11:44 PM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

The reliability claim was clearly a sham designed to hook new customers and alleviate any nagging doubts or second thoughts they might have in their minds regarding the kits. Reliable as stock with x% improvement in performance does sound very tempting !

But what's the tooners agenda? Is it simply to create a business out of selling aftermarket performance parts or is it something more devious like doing free R&D at the customers expense?

**black asp** · 12-31-2013, 12:00 AM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by Bibhu View Post

That way a case will be filed in the name of each and every coustomer too bro. And reckless endangerment would be added to illigally moding vehicles. Its very complex. Yes you can file for fraud, but then again, you would have to prove that he had gurenteed the success of his product in writing which not the case as hes not a registered company as far as i know. Putting him under criminal fraud is even harder than claiming non-performance of contractual obligation.

If it were my bike, I would do it the old fashioned way. If know what I mean. Thats the only language such people understand.

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If any one files a case then please try to fight his case bro its nice to have a legal professional in xbhp

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**Bibhu** · 12-31-2013, 12:19 AM

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post

Not exactly true. Under Motor Vehicles Act 1988 what you say is true. However, Motor Vehicles Act is enforceable by the State and does not have power to negate a commercial transaction between 2 private parties that have entered into a contract for certain services and products. Like [MENTION=23956]Legend Racer[/MENTION] says there are sections under which suits can be filed, both civil as well as criminal.

Here a commercial transaction has taken place under which something was promised (which may be verbal or in writing) and in lieu of that promised products and services the person/ company has charged a certain amount of money. However, the products and services fell well short of what was promised and in some cases was not delivered at all. In such circumstances refund of money is the least of the recourse. If there was intent to cheat then criminal proceedings are also a recourse. Whether the products and service sold and bought are contrary to the Motor Vehicles Act is something for the State to decide and whom, where and how to prosecute for the violation of the Act will entail the State filing separate legal proceedings against the parties in court of law which have no bearing on legal rights and contentions of the buyer in his case against the supplier.

I agree to the point that technically a case can be filed under both civil and criminal liabilities. But consider the last lines of your post. The civil petition and criminal charge, both would be challenged on the basis of the fact that the cause of action itself is illigal. So no malpractice can be claimed in the basis of a transaction where the expected service is something illigal. Further more, the defence would also claim that the accused carried out the job to the best extent of his skil and it would be very hard to prove that he intentionally commited fraud by giving substandard products.

I would be the happiest see this man behind bars for what he has done, but it is highly unlikely. So other avenues of settling the issue should be explored.

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