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Hi Shv18, Thanks for your reply buddy. I have gone through the entire thread and it has been very informative. I guessed it would be the piston ring that has gone kaput for the oil being missing problem. Now you have confirmed it.

To answer your questions, there was no new items to my knowledge added for the BB and head mod. So what I have on the bike is what I have.

I have the stock carb and stock air filter with me.

Its gonna be expensive to replace the whole set. But I guess I will have to do it to save my bike from ceasing.

Thanks for the help and will update when I make the changes about the cost.

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One more tooned customer's rage

@Akki4134 : Bhai I told you, one day all these mods you have will be of no use. Anyways people here would like to hear your story too

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@Ri$hi: Thank you for your sincere effort to raise awareness and trying to keep people out of this bottomless pit!

In regards to the Duke 200, what all the readers and Noobs must understand is that the base engine for stock Duke 200 has been derived from a Duke 125cc engine. The stock motor has been designed to run slightly hotter than the other bikes and by the nature itself is a highly stressed engine. The fuelling from the the company has been leaned out slightly (within the safe limit) in order to keep the FE conscious consumer happy. If one simply plonks in a 230cc kit then all these issues needs to be addressed first!

All the signs on the busted 200 i am talking about are pointing towards over - compression, pre-detonation of fuel and incorrect fuelling: splitting the piston into two pieces and the crankcase bearing crack resembling an earthquake fault line.

For all those Noobs who don't have an idea what is detonation, this video will help :




I won't be surprised if post the mishap, the owner has been blamed by the Tooner for the outcome whereas in the first place itself he is to be blamed for not informing the unsuspecting owner about the possible issues that may crop up with such kits rather than claiming out of this world "Bullet Proof reliability and better than stock" nonsense!!

The more people try to defend this guy without understanding the basics of the working of an engine, more failures, pissed off and unsatisfied customers will emerge out in the open sooner or later. As addressed by the earlier misdeeds of the Tooner related with carburettors on the older posts of this thread: The Parts Supplier doesn't have the basics right, how do you expect him to get things going for you?

I am happy to note that thanks to consistent efforts from the readers and members of xbhp, people are becoming aware, sensible, have started asking questions and refusing to believe everything :




For readers who are still not aware where these kits are coming from, just a small example will be by following these links:

1) For Pulsar riders: http://www.racingboy.com.my/v3/produ...-racing-piston
2) For R15 riders: http://www.racingboy.com.my/v3/produ...cylinder-block
3) Racing Clutch Springs: http://www.racingboy.com.my/v3/produ...-clutch-spring
4) Another gentlemen well known on xbhp for his dubious products: https://www.facebook.com/automotivespartsshop

I would urge the readers to visit the link and spot the not. The links above are just a few to name from a list. Do you still want me to expose more??


For a Non - Hot Roder, common sense always advocates saving one self from all this trouble, saving money and moving on to a bigger CC bike. I am one of the few crazy ones who still believes in doing something with the stock motor and get the fun out of it . Not asking anyone to follow my suit.


Cheers,

Let's learn more about engines Part 1

Hi,

Thanks to the moderators for taking the effort to clean up off - topic content. Regardless, keeping in line with the objective of educating the riders more about their respective bikes and how the various components of a 4 stroke motor functions, let us look at a series of interesting and informative videos:

1) The first video is for the Noobs as well as readers who may have opted for such after market performance camshafts. The video below will give you guys a basic idea about the stock cam Vs a performance Cam. In the end one thing everyone should understand is no camshaft is perfect even from the manufacturer in terms of performance:

Camshafts (Part 1) - Stock versus Performance Camshafts - YouTube

2) If one may recollect in the previous pages of this thread my report logs suggested a metallic THUD noise and engine backfiring at times when starting or stopping the engine. This video will reflect the certain drawbacks of using a performance cam over a stock cam. For all those who have gone through the earlier log reports on this thread, this explanation will make a lot of sense and you should be able to relate to terminologies like TDC, BDC. Whatever i had witnessed during the course of hot roding and my experience of RC wild camshaft VS Motozone High Lift camshaft. The video below should also give you an idea about the possible gains and losses over a stock camshaft:

Camshafts (Part 2) - Characteristics of a performance camshaft - YouTube

3) The video link below should help the reader understand the actual nature of how and why the intake and exhaust valves in our respective bike's engines open and close. Unlike the popular belief that the valves close the moment a particular stroke is completed, you will be surprised to know that is not the case. The link below will be able to give you an idea about camshaft duration:

Camshafts (Part 3) - Camshaft duration is explained - YouTube

4) This video will explain valve overlap. Unlike what the usual animations we get to see on the net, actually you will be surprised to find that at times the intake and the exhaust valves remain opened for a very short duration of time. This video should give you guys an idea about how and why this thing is allowed inside an engine:

Camshafts (Part 4) - Valve overlap - YouTube


5) This is the final video from the series which will give you and idea about a valve lift:

Camshafts (Part 5) - Camshaft lift is explained - YouTube


I hope after going through these videos, one should be able to understand the importance of a camshaft besides simply just increasing the cubic capacity of an engine using shoddy kits. If one can manage to get a good camshaft, along with good head porting, one be should easily able to achieve around 1bhp gain over a stock engine. a Wild camshaft will drastically reduce the life of the valve train system as it will have a tendency to over-compress the springs etc. a good high lift camshaft will have a lesser impact on the valve train system. When i had installed the RC Camshaft, the reason i was witnessing so many issues was because it was a wild cam, as the intake and exhaust lobes on the cams were not measured or grounded to work efficiently with the valve train system of the FZ engine Vis a Vis: The famous stitching noise or as we all know by now "Tailor Saab" noise.

The power below 3,000 rpms was also ridiculous primarily because the way the cam was opening and closing the valves which didn't allow sufficient amount of AF charge to build up during intake stroke and the engine was gasping for the mixture thus, lompy power making and jerky engine. Beyond 4,000 rpm the nature of the engine changed to abrupt power curve which indicated that this cam was a race cam i.e. will give you good power at the top end but at the cost of rideability on streets and the valve trains getting fried thanks to the hitting action created by the high lift lobes of the wild cam. The cam would have eventually disintegrated the lobes grounded on its body due to excessive friction. No doubt the images i shared in the earlier posts indicated a lot of scratch marks.

In comparison the Motozone camshaft gave me lesser trouble because the Lobes on the cam was measure and designed as per the nature of the valve train system thus, giving me a better rideability factor right from low end to mid range and better top end. Having said that, it still suffered from the issue of making the engine idling only at 1800 rpms and during early morning starts, i had to apply throttle to keep the engine running for a bit till it warms up. This is the difference between a stock camshaft and the aftermarket camshafts. Now you have one more reason to denounce another component from the shoddy kits list..

Hope we learned something new today.


Cheers,

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Good to see the Thread Opened with Unwanted Posts cleaned out.....

A special Thanks to our Super Moderators for the Thankless Job and Multi Tasking they Continue to do...

@ Shv18... another educative post on Different aspects of Cam shaft .. Your posts are to the point and with great details. This thread is full of information which would educate the un initiated and the informed as well.
Good work ..Keep it up.

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Sir,

some of my posts from hereon may get slightly technical. However, to the best of my abilities i will try and keep things uncomplicated so that Noobs don't get lost in the process. It is my sincere effort to make all readers understand why is this thread so critical about the Tooner in question and what are the reasons behind it right from technical aspect to unfolding the cheap marketing in public that is going around only to dupe unsuspecting riders from their hard earned money.

I hope adding such posts will help everyone understand the amount of engineering that goes behind the scenes of designing a motorcycle and its engine. At the same time they now know on which points to catch the Tooner whenever he tries to evade questions and throws his favourite one liner, "Its all about tuning man!". Before believing his usual lies about the engine internals (like crankshaft and con rod) not being upto the mark and only because of that your engine seized, now owners will be able to get hold of him and his antics are limited.

Again, i hope readers will take things positively and try and educate others, especially the Noobs who may fall prey to such marketing gimmicks..

Your support means a lot!! Thank you..


Cheers,

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This is the prime reason why 600cc sportbikes and some(or all?) monster litre bikes tuned for high performance idle at nothing below 3k rpm. F1 cars idle at 6k rpm. Not sure about those 1400cc fours. But this is the case with super high revving race-tuned multi cylinder motors. Knowing these conditions, any bike with a (proper) racing camshaft WILL compromise on the low end with gains at the top end. This effect is mostly related to the camlobe overlap and thus, scavenging effect of the fresh charge on burnt gases at different engine speeds.
ECUs can be remapped to idle appropriately and carburetors need proper jetting (or replacement in some extreme cases i.e huge power tuning) with higher idle adjustment. But carbs may suffer from slow drop of revs or sometimes shut off at low rpms (AFAIK; correct me if im wrong). Again this proves why FI is superior.
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[MENTION=32641]shv18[/MENTION]: good work, bro..you are sharing some real good information here.

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Love your FZ / Fazers a lot ??? cant give up on these bikes ?? need more out of these machines ?? ...Ready to Pour in 40ks to Hot rod...!!

WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!

Read this - Yamaha FZ To Get A Technical Upgrade In 2014 | MotorBeam – Indian Car Bike News & Reviews

If the 2014 version gets a good 2-3 BHP extra at a good price...!!

Sell old buy new again..!!

-Rohan

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Mate there is no official confirmation from Yamaha nor any spy pics. It is just a speculative news like in the days of R15 V2.0 with a 250cc and 28 bhp engine if you know what i am saying?

Let's wait for the manufacturer to officially release the news...


Cheers,

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So How much Increase of power did you get on your new meaner Bike.
The bike looks good but i believe in statistics. So it would be very nice of you to post some of the bikes performance stats.

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Mate, go through the whole thread, everything has been laid down for us. These last few pages won't give you any idea what this thread is all about.

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What is the need to show off man??
RC is nothing but fake fraud garage that claims to have built the fastest Hinda City in the world. Just cant stop laughing, how can a tailor build a car and that too such a beautiful machine which doesn't require any mods m, all it needs is a good driver and some skills.
I dont have a problem taking names here as I have suffered his torture and have the guts to say this on his face that he is nothing but a tailor.
Fooling around with people's hard earned money and time is all he can do, tall claims? Get a life Joel Joseph. Talking about Motozone on Facebook wont make you a super hero, I haven't seen you posting anything here on any if the threads coz he knows what reputation he has and where he stands in this field.
I can also become a tuner by just importing rhings from other countries and selling it to people and claiming this and that. Please stop calling you company a professional hub, its a hub of all cheaters where of you send you beloved bike, they will take out things anf put them in his Racing bikes.
Team Torque: its your wish, u want to get yourself tooned after reading this whole thread then go ahead, whose stopping you?? Please dont spoil this thread by praising that Idiot Tooner who doesn't even know how to open a carburetor.
And if you are one of those RC guys, then please tell Joel Joseph he really needs to shut his Race Contraceptives before people legally case a file against his frauds which is not far away in time.
Take care.


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Amen.

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Lots of increased power .. the bike was so mean that it crumpled the Piston