Nothin better to do ...

71 pages ! no one (except maybe joel) had seen the bike yet and people were already speculating on the bike's performance and fuel efficiency and god knows what. now a crappy qvga video is out and already people know the bike like they've been riding it for a month now.

for god's sake let the damn thing launch, then go take a test-ride and then comment on how it compares to a bloody r15 or zma.

before this orkut crap and forum trolls, there would be an ad in the papers or on tv and then people would see the bike or car, go to the showroom and decide. now it's just ridiculous.

i mean, seriously, this is when people still cant decide between an rtr and an fi ...

Samarth,

From what I have heard, two to three dyno reads are necessary to arrive at a definitive conclusion about a vehicle's rwhp. So, I guess the earlier dyno tests weren't conducted in this form and maybe that explains the seemingly improbably rwhp reads.

Almost 2 years in making and came out with nothing but with just a 20cc upgrade...a big disappointment...should atleast have fi to boost for something, now just tell me someone, why would one leave a 160fi for a carb 180, with a price difference as per speculation of +10k...in my opinion it would only be if the machine chose that idiot . TVS check your management man...whoever would have approved this project must have been out of his mind if thought that TVS fan would even consider this bike for a second look.

Nice first post. Welcome to xBhp

Great goin..................but the RTR180 is race developed bike and is a part of TVS PERFORMANCE racing project, there is a lot of difference in this 20cc.Yes if this bike is to be launched,I am definitley going for it whether I be an Idiot or not.

I like TVS bcoz it is a lot like me,I wont buy a 200cc+ bike until it is a 250cc,my premium bike better be below 200cc.I have a Pulsar180DTSi-black edition and I like it also very much but I did not go for 200 or +20cc upgrades.............I wud rather try a race developed 180cc.

Many people are still askin me how am I so confident about a bike which is still not launched or tested.............my answer:I trust TVS bcoz it is the company which convert a humble A150 to RTR160 which was able to match up with bikes of much faster statistics,I still have a first generation TVS fiero (not F2) that still cruises at ease with new 150cc bikes and keeps up without any complaint, master fuel efficiency even in abrupt throttle use........there lies my confidence.

@mods....forgive me if I am harsh but a joke is good so far it doesnot hurts any body

Is the Apache 180 sporting a different exhaust???I think on taking a closer look in the ad of-course its somewhat triangular in shape but not like Flame!!!

Well, someone wanting higher top speeds and better acceleration compared to that of RTR 160 would go for RTR 180. There's not really much difference between RTR 160 carb and RTR 160 FI when it comes to top speed and acceleration anyway...

Also, one can mod a carb bike better than an FI one... correct me if I'm wrong...

+1 but I would consider it for its colour.And also I think K&N can be direct fitted to Fi's.Somebody solve ma exhaust query!!!

Welcome to XBhp mate

You are absolutely right mate to express your opinion,however i would like to point out something that you said about the management.If you go back through the pages,there is concrete evidence that this bike has been put to production with just one goal.To take advanatage of a new class in indian road racing which permits bikes upto 210 cc..

Class M-3 Above 165 cc upto 210 cc
*Attached is the FMSCI two wheeler road racing regulations for 2009
Look in page 4
Road Racing rules 2009

Secondly this bike is not a new bike its more of a evolution,every manufacter does it around the world.small tweaks here and there & they have a new model.(which in this case is a very good one, and has gone through a lot of R&D to make it as flawless as possible)

IMHO i see that slowly RTR 160 is being phased out & RTR 180 will be TVS's mainstay in the market.And a 150 CC version of the Flame taking the fight to commuters.(please dont speculate anything,its just my personal thoughts.)

Its not about 'better'
The thing is that its easy to play around with carbs as compared to the complicated FI units. for example, using bigger jets and free flow airfilters, u can easily extract 5-10% more perf from your bike. For FI, the same would involve lot of complications...

All I want is a true successor for Apache RTR 160 FI, otherwise this carb 180 thingy will not be beaten down by any competition, rather by its own humble but advanced predecessor. As like most of you, I too adore Apache series because of its racing tech, but there is more to a RTR 160 FI than just speed and acceleration. If you would ask me what I would have liked in this RTR 180 to pass my approval, then just add a FI and ABS system and it will pass my certification...till then its a half hearted effeort by TVS to bring in a true sport bike to us, this is just the same scenario where Windows Vista did not got beaten down by any competition but by its own older brother XP .

PEACE

I would try to be calm and keep it as short and simple as possible, 'cause otherwise demanding an ABS system in a 180cc street motorcycle makes no sense to me!

Why this bike doesn't have ABS? Personally, you don't need ABS in a 180 cc, 17.3 ps, street motorcycle, do you? Moreover, ABS doesn't come cheap! Isn't this good enough? putting a 17inch wheel at the back is good enough development on the 180 along with others, I'll say!

Secondly, TVS RTR is NOT a sport/racing motorcycle, please! Its a fantastic street bike in a 160cc (and now 180cc) package with an exceptional handling which also goes well on the track because its chassis and suspension combination is tuned to go well on the track (suspension is slightly on the hard side). Thanks to TVS's racing experience

And putting this experience in to good use, the engine has a oversquare characteristic, has a decent bottom end torque and revs high too which makes it the top choice for racing purposes.

All these features and characteristics make the RTR very fast on city streets and its also easy to modify for full fledge racing. But in the end, as a production model in stock condition, it still is a street motorcycle first along with a good track tool! slight modifications at the right places will turn it into a fantastic racing motorcycle.

Cheers

I just don't understand what you guys want, would you like TVS bringing in a 300 cc engine tied to a bicycle , what I want is a performance bike with a good set of technologies around it to complement it. BTW somone here has never heard of analogies...

Just 3 posts old and already going straight for the jugular eh?? cool ..
But cut down on the rhetorics will ya brother !!

At the end of the day, TVS has brought to the table exctly what TVS thought they shud bring to the table !! Now if you do not like it, then please feel free to not buy it.

Heard of constructive criticism .. right ??

I second u on that. RTR s short wheelbase + stiff Rear suspension aids in agile handling. R15 is what a Racing bike is