I don't know why are people comparing this bike with R15 , the RTR 160 was just fractionally slower than the R15 and with almost 2 PS more power(and same weight as before) RTR 180 should be faster than R15 for sure.

U dont need source for that..
Use brains and do maths , tvs use 180 cc apache for racing since ages.

Plus there are converted 180 cc n 200 cc apache's running on the road from ages..

Its just that ppl dont know about them.

ok ,here how it goes
Y do bajaj go on increasing 10 10 or 20 cc ?and all look the same.
use same parts as much as possible and cost cutting.
with what bajaj did and gained success , tvs is doing the same.

using already existing parts with mix and match , u have a new bike.

Y doesnt the rtr 180 look different ?

when u have an already sucessfully selling and tested bike named 160 which ppl have accepted it ,y will they waste millions on new designs and dyes and machines?

rtr 160 got a big bore and a smaller stroke than a150.
now if they kept the 180 with the same stroke as 160 (52.9mm) and bigger bore , it ll be a crazy over square engine , bore stroke ratio of moto gp level.
No 1 uses so much bore stroke ratio generally , and u ll end up with a super high revving engine.

So the other option is a new longer stroke and apache 150 57mm piston.

why will they waste money and design a new stroke ?? plus if they do so , it ll become more torquey like the zma , and not rev happy.

they already have a 160 piston and a 150 crank.

combine both , make a 180 , public happy ,
total cost of a new bike ==peanuts.
ooly new things ll be a high lift cam , and new valves , bigger by say 1.5 mm from 160.
and a bs29(p180 carb).
Thats it .

Anything more ?

Santa

U dont need source for that..
Use brains and do maths , tvs use 180 cc apache for racing since ages.

Plus there are converted 180 cc n 200 cc apache's running on the road from ages..

Its just that ppl dont know about them.

ok ,here how it goes
Y do bajaj go on increasing 10 10 or 20 cc ?and all look the same.
use same parts as much as possible and cost cutting.
with what bajaj did and gained success , tvs is doing the same.

using already existing parts with mix and match , u have a new bike.

Y doesnt the rtr 180 look different ?

when u have an already sucessfully selling and tested bike named 160 which ppl have accepted it ,y will they waste millions on new designs and dyes and machines?

rtr 160 got a big bore and a smaller stroke than a150.
now if they kept the 180 with the same stroke as 160 (52.9mm) and bigger bore , it ll be a crazy over square engine , bore stroke ratio of moto gp level.
No 1 uses so much bore stroke ratio generally , and u ll end up with a super high revving engine.

So the other option is a new longer stroke and apache 150 57mm piston.

why will they waste money and design a new stroke ?? plus if they do so , it ll become more torquey like the zma , and not rev happy.

they already have a 160 piston and a 150 crank.

combine both , make a 180 , public happy ,
total cost of a new bike ==peanuts.
ooly new things ll be a high lift cam , and new valves , bigger by say 1.5 mm from 160.
and a bs29(p180 carb).
Thats it .

Anything more ?

Santa

Forgot about that and stick to topic guys.. FYI RTR 180 and R15 doesnt race on the track in any events because they dont fall in same category.. so chill

@santa: You try to make things looks simple

Well, since the stroke of the RTR180 is same as the Apache 150, it is not a short stroke engine. So I dont think it is gonna revv as crazily as the RTR160.

U dont need source for that..
Use brains and do maths , tvs use 180 cc apache for racing since ages.

Plus there are converted 180 cc n 200 cc apache's running on the road from ages..

Its just that ppl dont know about them.


Santa

If I only care about the TVS bikes (as a brand loyalist or as an anything to do with its racing chemistry etc etc) I might have gone for this 180 cc but I wont since this is a big disappointment to me. An increase of just 20 cc with not other much difference will not pull me away from my first generation P-180 which rides beautifully for all its age. I would rather go for a new P- 220 cc when it gets launched. But I have to admit that I waited a lot to see what TVS can do with their bike.
Last line for everyone who says RTR 160 beats P 180. I have never been a witness to that and I doubt I will ever be. None of the RTR's have till date gone past me when what I drive is just a 1st generation 180 producing only 15 Punies.

Great AD & great analysis guys.For me it looks like a winner..white is oh so sexy...would have love to see the headlight changed slightly to make it look meaner..I would have loved to see the manic cans that were there on the ARE bikes






My beers calling me..I am sad for Massa Raikonnen & poor old Sutil today..hope they improve on next race..Everyone have a great sunday