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  • #31
    Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    Somebody courier me ZMA or AVVY's rectifier for testing will return it back
    What are you up to?
    Your biking tells a lot about the person you are!

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    • #32
      I have done some research on the internet about the role of the RR unit on bikes. This unit does 2 thing - regulates the voltage and rectifies it to DC.

      Our bikes have a permanent magnet charging system - the magnetic field strength is fixed. So, as the engine speed increases, the output voltage of the coil too increases. This regulator maintains it at around 13.8V.

      How is the regulation done? Our bikes uses short circuit regulation scheme. The RR unit monitors coil voltage. As soon as it increases above a preset level, it short circuits the coil. Note that it does not open circuit the coil - this would have led to sparking in the RR unit and this principle is used by the ignition coil. These short circuits maintains voltage level. But there is a catch - heat generation occurs due to which cooling is needed in forms of heatsinks. As a significant amount of energy is wasted in form of heat, this system is not very efficient.

      Note - this is the reason why we need to change the RR unit too when we change to avenger coil. The stock RR unit can be burnt due to excessive heat generation.

      This output is now rectified using full wave rectification circuits to generate DC. The AC output of the rectifier is not rectified. It is just regulated.
      The method of regulating the voltage even of AC seems to be as you have described. But working on my UG3, especially the coil, I found out that the current going to headlight via RR unit is not regulated.

      It seems that the Rectifier, rectifies DC and regulates the AC, but not the one going for the headlight.

      I tried measuring the current directly from coil as well right before the BCU of the UG3. To my surprise the current jumps anywhere from 14 to 40+ volts, and about 5 to 11 Amps.

      That's the same reason why Shree quoted very high voltage, even when it's after RR unit.

      Though the AC is goes through the RR, I doubt the power going to headlight is regulated.
      Been There, Done That; Better!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
        I tried measuring the current directly from coil as well right before the BCU of the UG3. To my surprise the current jumps anywhere from 14 to 40+ volts, and about 5 to 11 Amps.

        That's the same reason why Shree quoted very high voltage, even when it's after RR unit.

        Though the AC is goes through the RR, I doubt the power going to headlight is regulated.
        If you would have measured it before using the custom rectifier it would have been around 14V. The RR unit short circuits the coil as soon as it detects higher voltage. But this process takes a small amount of time. So invariably, small spikes do escape. These spikes charge the capacitor of the custom rectifier. And as a result, the 40V readings!
        Your biking tells a lot about the person you are!

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        • #34
          I tried it without the custom rectifier installed, without capacitors. In all cases, I checked it long enough to be sure that at 4K RPM you get constant 42V on UG3.
          Been There, Done That; Better!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
            I tried it without the custom rectifier installed, without capacitors. In all cases, I checked it long enough to be sure that at 4K RPM you get constant 42V on UG3.
            Huh? That's surprising. It is not so on my bike. I get 13.x V at all rpms. One thing - won't the lights blow off at 42V?
            Your biking tells a lot about the person you are!

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            • #36
              Huh? That's surprising. It is not so on my bike. I get 13.x V at all rpms. One thing - won't the lights blow off at 42V?
              Strange, without a capacitor you get 13.xx Volts??

              It's not my bike, as I have checked the same on UG3, 150 as well, while installing HID on my friend's bike. But it doesn't blows the bulb, as though the voltage goes till 42V, Amps is around 0.9 comes to 37W! .
              Been There, Done That; Better!

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              • #37
                Oops looks like i missed out couple of discussions

                Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                What are you up to?
                I am thinking to replace the stock rectifier to that on ZMA which by default is built to run the bike on DC without any discharging issue.

                Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
                I tried it without the custom rectifier installed, without capacitors. In all cases, I checked it long enough to be sure that at 4K RPM you get constant 42V on UG3.
                As i ve tested in couple of Unicorn, in stock conditions the output is around 13-14volts only.

                I got the reading of 42v when the i was checking the output of rectifier made by me. I replaced the capacitor of same 25v & 4700uf and then the voltage dropped to 25v by which i concluded the earlier capacitor was defective or over charging. I don't know ur terms

                Shree, do dome real world testing, see if your battery is discharging.
                My battery is new Amaron 9aH (7aH stock) so it isn't really easy to drain it very soon even with stock conditions. I will have to ride atleast 3hours at less than 4rpm to decide.

                But i could feel 1 thing, in stock 1 could manage to honk the horn with headlight ON but now horn struggles By this i can say its working as discharger than a charger.

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                • #38
                  I am thinking to replace the stock rectifier to that on ZMA which by default is built to run the bike on DC without any discharging issue.
                  Won't work, you will need to change the coil as well!

                  As i ve tested in couple of Unicorn, in stock conditions the output is around 13-14volts only.

                  I got the reading of 42v when the i was checking the output of rectifier made by me. I replaced the capacitor of same 25v & 4700uf and then the voltage dropped to 25v by which i concluded the earlier capacitor was defective or over charging. I don't know ur terms
                  So that means the voltage in UG3 variants only is not regulated? Because for sure, the voltage never hover around even 25 Volts, in my bike!

                  My battery is new Amaron 9aH (7aH stock) so it isn't really easy to drain it very soon even with stock conditions. I will have to ride atleast 3hours at less than 4rpm to decide.

                  But i could feel 1 thing, in stock 1 could manage to honk the horn with headlight ON but now horn struggles By this i can say its working as discharger than a charger.
                  Hm.. I have the same battery. But I'm consuming 35W HID. Where as you are consuming 55W? But even then it both horn and light should work simultaneosuly. Especially if your custom rectifier is charging the battery now. Something is wrong here..
                  Been There, Done That; Better!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
                    Won't work, you will need to change the coil as well!
                    i think there is 55w coil current which is not being used which is sufficient to charge battery



                    Hm.. I have the same battery. But I'm consuming 35W HID. Where as you are consuming 55W? But even then it both horn and light should work simultaneosuly. Especially if your custom rectifier is charging the battery now. Something is wrong here..
                    Yes something is wrong but what
                    But rectifier charges the battery when i take off the battery from bike circuitry and keep it aside.

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                    • #40
                      i think there is 55w coil current which is not being used which is sufficient to charge battery
                      You mean 55W alone for the headlight?

                      Yes something is wrong but what
                      But rectifier charges the battery when i take off the battery from bike circuitry and keep it aside.
                      Just thinking Over, I remember when I had initially installed 55W bulb on DC, it was weaker then actually it was on AC with high revs. The culprit was wiring. Try putting that 55W bulb, with good guage wire directly at battery, and see if there's a fluctuation of light in this case.
                      Been There, Done That; Better!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
                        You mean 55W alone for the headlight?
                        When AC headlights are disconnected that current is saved which inturn the 3 phase rectifier can boost the current to battery too. Whereas Unicorn has 1 phase rr unit


                        Just thinking Over, I remember when I had initially installed 55W bulb on DC, it was weaker then actually it was on AC with high revs. The culprit was wiring. Try putting that 55W bulb, with good guage wire directly at battery, and see if there's a fluctuation of light in this case.
                        My headlight has no flickering. Its as good as when we connect it to car

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                        • #42
                          When AC headlights are disconnected that current is saved which inturn the 3 phase rectifier can boost the current to battery too. Whereas Unicorn has 1 phase rr unit
                          Hmm... so you plan to get all the current to ZMA's rectifier? Well, I hope it work's.

                          My headlight has no flickering. Its as good as when we connect it to car
                          I meant, even when you sound horn there's no problem? with the headlight as well as the horn?
                          Been There, Done That; Better!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
                            Hmm... so you plan to get all the current to ZMA's rectifier? Well, I hope it work's.
                            I can try if any of my frens are ready to gimme rectifier for testing


                            I meant, even when you sound horn there's no problem? with the headlight as well as the horn?
                            Headlights wont go down at any stage.. Only Horn cries

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                            • #44
                              Well guys here is how it works in my case. Headlight ON, brake light ON, horn ON - no problem at all. And it is a dual horn set up. It works like in case of cars - no flickering at all. Higher revs lead to a very slight increase of brightness just like cars.

                              @Shreeni - Continue testing for a week with the setup and let us know. In my case console and brake lights are LEDs - maybe that helped.

                              @Rahul - Maybe UG3 has a inbuilt capacitor somewhere in the bike - digital instruments need clean power supply. At least Apache 160 RTR FI has a capacitor to aid in starting the bike with a dead battery. Cap supports the FI.
                              Your biking tells a lot about the person you are!

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                              • #45
                                @Rahul - Maybe UG3 has a inbuilt capacitor somewhere in the bike - digital instruments need clean power supply. At least Apache 160 RTR FI has a capacitor to aid in starting the bike with a dead battery. Cap supports the FI.
                                The digital instrumention on UG3 runs off DC. Tell me one thing for testing, even i put a full bridge rectifier without a capacitor on a 12V relay, at the headlight points, the relay does'nt work until i put a cap, plus i get around 40 to 42V at full rev!
                                Been There, Done That; Better!

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