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  • Shreeni0403
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    Originally posted by sajanjosepht View Post
    Cmon man, low beam will be always on to power up HID, and the high beam wire is connected to HID solenoid to move the bulb to High position. I hope u know in a bixenon HID, it acts as H/L function by a solenoid. I think its the right selection of switches between H/L rather than the whole supply is bypassed thru the switch. Each time u switch between H/L on the other method, HID is eating a good chunk of batt. Its useful for ur proposed mod, all the lights on pass/high beam. There r people still staring on the bulb due to its intense brightness, so imagine if I put on the High beam always. U want me to receive those wild greets from all trcukies?

    Did u see the focus adjusting mechanism in stock beams on the other thread?
    I thought you were talking about Single Xenon
    In that case low is halogen and hi is xenon so was wondering

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  • sajjt
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    Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    Does it mean, when u switch to LOW beam even the HIGH will remain ON ???
    Cmon man, low beam will be always on to power up HID, and the high beam wire is connected to HID solenoid to move the bulb to High position. I hope u know in a bixenon HID, it acts as H/L function by a solenoid. I think its the right selection of switches between H/L rather than the whole supply is bypassed thru the switch. Each time u switch between H/L on the other method, HID is eating a good chunk of batt. Its useful for ur proposed mod, all the lights on pass/high beam. There r people still staring on the bulb due to its intense brightness, so imagine if I put on the High beam always. U want me to receive those wild greets from all trcukies?

    Did u see the focus adjusting mechanism in stock beams on the other thread?

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  • Shreeni0403
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    Originally posted by sajanjosepht View Post
    Shree almost all HID kits r coming with a built in relay in the control box. U dont need to change, it takes only very little curent to operate. Otherwise, since u wired through a relay, and if u've little space to accomodate to all, avoid the control box messy long wires and connect the power to the ballast from the low beam and the high beam to the solenoid in case of H4. bridge the low beam power to the main light switch. I've done this way, the benefit is, ur HID will not get off while switching to H/L and ineffective, bulb and batt life can be increased. This is done with spdt relays for each beams.

    Does it mean, when u switch to LOW beam even the HIGH will remain ON ???

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  • sajjt
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    Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    Does that mean H4 HID's come with relays ?? I have already installed relays so will i have to remove them if i put a H4 HID
    Shree almost all HID kits r coming with a built in relay in the control box. U dont need to change, it takes only very little curent to operate. Otherwise, since u wired through a relay, and if u've little space to accomodate to all, avoid the control box messy long wires and connect the power to the ballast from the low beam and the high beam to the solenoid in case of H4. bridge the low beam power to the main light switch. I've done this way, the benefit is, ur HID will not get off while switching to H/L and ineffective, bulb and batt life can be increased. This is done with spdt relays for each beams.

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  • Shreeni0403
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    Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
    True. These H7s don't come with their own relays like h4s, and if cars with 60/55 stock can take a load of HIDs so can our 220s with stock 55W, and yes I have saved 10Ws with LEDs.
    Does that mean H4 HID's come with relays ?? I have already installed relays so will i have to remove them if i put a H4 HID

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  • rahuldevnath
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    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    Ok, so the BCU has load sensing. So, it needs a load (bulb on the BCU o/p). A relay from the battery may be too low a load and may trip this feature.

    So I guess what you did is the best way to do this.

    About 2, the charging system is connected to the battery and then to the loads. So, it is the same thing.
    True. These H7s don't come with their own relays like h4s, and if cars with 60/55 stock can take a load of HIDs so can our 220s with stock 55W, and yes I have saved 10Ws with LEDs.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    Ok, so the BCU has load sensing. So, it needs a load (bulb on the BCU o/p). A relay from the battery may be too low a load and may trip this feature.

    So I guess what you did is the best way to do this.

    About 2, the charging system is connected to the battery and then to the loads. So, it is the same thing.

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  • rahuldevnath
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    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    Oops, I see. I forgot that. Had to refer to the diag again. The 35+35W load does not overload the BCU? Whay not use another relay to battery? As you know HID start up current spikes upto 9A. 2 HID is 18A.

    And, maybe I have asked this before too! In which case ignore it.


    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    Yeah, the relay prevents reverse current the way you said. This relay will do the job. And the Pulsar relay is a electromechanical relay, even if similar in size. This one is a semiconductor relay.

    Perhaps the BCU will limit the current or perhaps the BCU will overheat. As I do not have a P220, I can not say. But, it I were to try out this circuit, I would have used a car h/l relay too direct from the battery, supposing the BCU allows this and does not interfere. I expect Rahul to answer this!
    Abhi I do'nt think you asked it, though a very valid point.

    Now why did I refrain from using a relay directly to battery? Well...

    (1) The 220 BCU is either very stupid, or over smart! There's a nifty feature of chaning over to other beam if one fails. For example if I'm riding in Low beam, and suddenly the filament goes off, God forbids at 121Kmph? I will not have a time to think and switch over to other beam, but our dear 220 does that for me, and even check upto 5 times, if the bulb is working.

    This feature goes bonkers in case I use a relay, or even a 35W HID (the default load is 55W). It happens as I switch on the low beam HID, it sometimes does'nt glow, and automatically turns to high beam, and within 3 seconds again try the low beam, which may glow this time or again go into loop!! Cool isn't it!

    (2) My assumption, but I could be wrong, that it's good to take power directly from the charging system, rather than battery. As, the coil after 2K RPM takes over the job of powering up the bulbs directly!

    So that's answered

    Originally posted by rahul9985 View Post
    Let me give it a try. The HID's during starting take upto 9A. Two HID's sum upto 18A. I dont think the BCU would allow 18A to flow (incase both the beams are turned on at once). It would be a wiser decision to switch on low beam first and let it fully glow and then after a few seconds turn on the high beam (or both beams). If both the beams are turned on at once even a relay wouldnt be of much help as the BCU itself may cutoff the flow. Perhaps i maybe wrong.
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    Rahul, your idea is what exactly I had in mind before I made this mod. And it's supposed to be used that way, though both the beams can be switched on if you are more past 3K RPM. But's it's better to switch on low beam, wait at least 10 Seconds before you move to high beam.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    Yeah, the relay prevents reverse current the way you said. This relay will do the job. And the Pulsar relay is a electromechanical relay, even if similar in size. This one is a semiconductor relay.

    Perhaps the BCU will limit the current or perhaps the BCU will overheat. As I do not have a P220, I can not say. But, it I were to try out this circuit, I would have used a car h/l relay too direct from the battery, supposing the BCU allows this and does not interfere. I expect Rahul to answer this!
    Last edited by abhijeet080808; 11-12-2009, 11:14 PM.

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  • rahul9985
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    Got the Relay finally !!

    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    When the hi beam is activated, if we use a simple wire, the lo beam will be activated too. The lo beam terminals at the BCU will too get this signal. This is the reverse current from lo beam bulb to lo beam wire at the BCU.
    Understood. But there should be reverse flow to the BCU even if there is a relay right? Or is it because the low beam socket +ve has been given to the relay and from another point in relay a wire goes to the bulb, that there isnt any reverse flow in this case?

    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    Let Rahul answer this!
    Let me give it a try. The HID's during starting take upto 9A. Two HID's sum upto 18A. I dont think the BCU would allow 18A to flow (incase both the beams are turned on at once). It would be a wiser decision to switch on low beam first and let it fully glow and then after a few seconds turn on the high beam (or both beams). If both the beams are turned on at once even a relay wouldnt be of much help as the BCU itself may cutoff the flow. Perhaps i maybe wrong.

    Got a Relay today. Searched a few electronic shops and got hold of a miniature (looks very cute to me ) PCB mountable relay. It cost me just 10rs. I must have been a fool to spend 50rs for the last one. This is similar to the ones which automobile shop guys were showing saying that it is used in Pulsars. The only difference being this is PCB mountable and wires have to be soldered and they were the normal ones.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    Originally posted by darkknight View Post
    i was only looking at a cheaper option.
    what wud be the approx. price here in india for a 35W 6000k bixenon HID
    Well, chinese ones for 2-3k. With warranty, price is around 7-8k for a pair. Not sure if available separately.

    Originally posted by rahul9985 View Post
    What i meant was if something goes wrong and the whole unit is drawing more current i wouldnt be protected if iam using 15A relay. Thats why gotta use 10A one.

    Hmm.. it is just a bulb. You may do that, but better to use a fuse, if you are really paranoid.

    Even if we use a relay the whole current has to pass through the BCU right?

    Yeah, my bad. I had forgotten the diag.

    Why will there be reverse current and where will it be towards? Please explain.

    When the hi beam is activated, if we use a simple wire, the lo beam will be activated too. The lo beam terminals at the BCU will too get this signal. This is the reverse current from lo beam bulb to lo beam wire at the BCU.




    Let Rahul answer this!

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  • rahul9985
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    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    Dude, that 15A is its max. capacity. It will draw as much as the load (h/l) demands. If the demand is more than 15A, the relay will go kaput.
    What i meant was if something goes wrong and the whole unit is drawing more current i wouldnt be protected if iam using 15A relay. Thats why gotta use 10A one.

    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    This will work in a normal bike, but Pulsars have this thing called the BCU. If you send the whole 70W thru the BCU, it will fry! So, you need relay.
    Even if we use a relay the whole current has to pass through the BCU right?

    Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
    The whole concept of RELAYING is all thanks to the BCU. What Shreeni mentioned, is the basic idea behind using both beams simultaneously, say in Fazer. In 220, the reverse current, activates the BCU short circuit/overlaod protection and hence does not allow any of the beams to work.

    Abhi, the circuit still puts 35+35W on High Beam, just there's no reverse current in this case.
    Why will there be reverse current and where will it be towards? Please explain.

    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    Oops, I see. I forgot that. Had to refer to the diag again. The 35+35W load does not overload the BCU? Whay not use another relay to battery? As you know HID start up current spikes upto 9A. 2 HID is 18A.

    And, maybe I have asked this before too! In which case ignore it.

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  • abhijeet080808
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    Oops, I see. I forgot that. Had to refer to the diag again. The 35+35W load does not overload the BCU? Whay not use another relay to battery? As you know HID start up current spikes upto 9A. 2 HID is 18A.

    And, maybe I have asked this before too! In which case ignore it.

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  • rahuldevnath
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    Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    Rahul, sorry u might ve written earlier as well but can't dig into again

    What if we short the low beam and hi beam wires with an extra wire connected by a switch. When we turn on that switch both Lo and HI will power up.

    I know Pulsar has lot of gizmo's . The one which I told isn't it feasible for normal bikes without any gizmo's (BCU etc)
    Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
    The relay is there just to protect the BCU!

    Also the wires may be overloaded without relay. I mean same wire which carries 35W now has to carry 35+35W load!

    The whole concept of RELAYING is all thanks to the BCU. What Shreeni mentioned, is the basic idea behind using both beams simultaneously, say in Fazer. In 220, the reverse current, activates the BCU short circuit/overlaod protection and hence does not allow any of the beams to work.

    Abhi, the circuit still puts 35+35W on High Beam, just there's no reverse current in this case.

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  • darkknight
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    i was only looking at a cheaper option.
    what wud be the approx. price here in india for a 35W 6000k bixenon HID

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