Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

I think by old he meant Unicorn 150/CBZ engine and by new he meant those 160cc ones found in Hornet or Xblade.

Sadly, one can see on Youtube that Honda had replaced the cylinder-piston-valves of some unicorn 150s under warranty due to excessive engine noise.

While it is appreciable that Honda did a warranty replacement, it would be traumatizing to the owner. All poison stems from that.

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I guess bullshit it is, He is actively spewing hate towards Honda and Hero for sometimes, after his short experience with one of them i guess. The new generation of internet riders, still need a lot to learn.

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Lot?????!!!!!!

Bhai humne Raat Mai incandescent bulb ke niche jitne engine rebuild kiye hai.


Utna ye log chalaye BHI Nahi honge.

Aur 6 Lacs km of riding experience well that's different thing.

Riding and maintenance is two different thing.

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It is a common myth that previous bikes were good and now the quality is not good. While the adage holds truth that Old is Gold, that doesn't mean new products are shit.

Obviously quality is not as before. But why will company give same quality as before? Will you pay 80k or a 100cc bikes?

Moreover with growing aspiration people seldom retain a product for long. Be it bikes, cars, electronic items or something else. Else now a days marriage also changes in 3-4 years

And those who are becoming keyboard mechanics and experts i would request them to first learn to hold a wrench properly and then learn to repair.

I have done 600-700 kms in one night on joy. 300-400 kms with mom as pillion in sweltering heat. 500 kms trip with a seized engine on joy with mom.

Have opened closed opened closed many parts multiple times in a night until i get it right.

Have experimented a lot while rebuilding engines to get it better than factory. Have learnt carburettor tuning with experience and hearing strokes and rpm.

All these things do not come by reading or riding multiple bikes. It comes by multiple failures.


As they say "SUCCESS IS A GOOD TEACHER, BUT FAILURE GETS YOU EXPERIENCE".

Just a small problem and immediately comes the remark quality is not as used to be before.
Learn to rectify the problem. Learn to sit with a mechanic with a cup of chai.

Some get pleasure in riding new bikes. Testing new bikes. But i get pleasure sitting with my old bike over a cup of chai with my mechanic and discussing various things. I get to learn many things. He also gets to learn many things.

Sometimes we fail. but we get to learn what will not work.

I remember an incident.

Joy had this errant problem of shutting and restarting while shifting to second gear from first. Slowly this problem increased and no amount of carb cleaning spark plug change did anything.

Slowly this problem increased such that bike will shut down in middle of road and will not start. Mechanic and me used to wonder what happened. During the malfunction the bike will not generate spark.
We tried everything. Making key direct,
Ignition coil change and testing, wiring retesting. Charging coil change. Practically Everything.

Its almost passed 6 months. Even we changed magnet from mechanics splendor and tested. Same thing. Bike would run beautifully when ok but will be dead when problem starts.

Coil base was changed to mechanic splendor and everything got ok. We knew coil base was the problem and will be solved on changing. But we tested coil base connection. The culprit was the pulsar coil ground was loose. Gave another ground and its running flawlessly since then.

So my question is

!. how many will have said quality low and got a new bike? No one will be patient to solve the problem.
2. How many will be so caring for a 3.2 lacs km(at that time joy was) and be patient to solve the problem?
3. You buy a new bike and what are the chances that new bike will not have same problem?


Presently my extreme has run 1.2 lacs kilometers. Still running strong. My senior always wonder how this bike still feels like new.

Thing is your bike and car are like family members. The more you show them love, they also give you back. And manufacturer doesn't give quality Because:-

1. will jack up the price too much. People don't see quality but features.

2. How many will retain bike more than 4-5 years?

3. In those 4 years how many will ride more than 30-40k kms.

4. How many will retain bikes for 4.15 and 1.2 lacs km.

Most use cars now a days to travel.

And i also visit and post seldom on xbhp because keyboard mechanics and experts have taken over. More discussion is on oil change and all. No one discusses about actual work.
SO i find it better to discuss these things on whatsapp with like minded people.

Because sometimes its better to be quiet and see the jokes going on.

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

I won't call it bullshit, it is his (limited) personal experience with his Hornet which came from the factory with a defective swingarm bush and during the first service they removed the magneto to inspect because at that time some batches of Hornet had timing chain issues, IIRC. I agree he is spreading hate towards Honda but he's young and will learn as times flies by, hopefully. His multiple visits to the SVC must have frustrated him.
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Bhai, please don't punish others by not posting. Many of us have learnt a lot from your posts.

And you forgot another kind, different from keyboard mechanics. The stubborn types whos pet bunny has 3 ears (they will not listen to people who say "hey it must be a pair of ears") and the school backbenchers who sat with a copy of OP Agarwal during break times and agrued intensively with everything broken to numbers.

I do see this trend now - many senior people posting very less or not posting at all. May be the reasons you noted.

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LOL! Honda is no. 1 company in the whole universe, are you happy now. Truth is that real riders love motorcycle based on the product, not by blindly following a brand! If indian manufacturers make slight rattling noise , then you people will hate them and say hate comments about them but if same problem i tell about Japanese giant "HONDA" YOU'LL BULLY ME. Nice behavior. Clap clap clap [emoji107][emoji107][emoji107]

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Exactly, but people follow brands blindly. I don't understand why people are so arrogant these days. XBHP had become a platform of fake people nowadays.

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

It's not your 70k bike, when i am paying 1.10 lakhs on a 160cc bike, i want it to be nearly perfect!

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Easy tiger. I get your concern. All of us do. Nothing is ever perfect. Quality is an issue with Honda. After having 4 Honda vehicles in my extended family, I know how much the value and customer treatment has depreciated in the last few years. And Xtreme costs 70k when he bought it. Doesn't give you the right to set a bar exactly. It's a same segment bike and more or less on par with Hornet. Also, the new Xtreme costs as much as a non-ABS Hornet these days.

NEWS FLASH: Nothing in the world is perfect. Not especially bikes. You won't have any idea of how many mechanical faults were there in my Splendor; considering how less complicated of a bike it is. Takes time to figure it out. Either sell or take it out on the company or SVC. If they don't budge, just move on. You want to appreciate Apache 160 4V, fine do it in the proper thread. Don't express the distaste on bike ownership threads or posts related to Hero/Honda. Because that's basically spewing hatred in a way. Now, I don't mean to sound rude but I really think you should take your Hornet issues to the court and sue the HMSI over it.

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Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

And what about bashing Hero you conveniently replied with context of Honda. There is no perfect machine for all our need, one need to learn to make it perfect to one's own Need. Except manufacturing defects and design issues of course.
No one is Glossing over Brands here either this is not a thread of "which vehicle to buy".

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

So does your 1.1 lacs is money and mine 70k is Papers?

And for your kind information it was 70k in 2011. So let me tell you there is something known as time value of money.

Time value of Money:- The time value of money (TVM) is the concept that money available at the present time is worth more than the identical sum in the future due to its potential earning capacity. This core principle of finance holds that, provided money can earn interest, any amount of money is worth more the sooner it is received.

And the formula for time value of money is:-
FV = PV x [ 1 + (I/ N) ] (N*T)
Where,
FV is Future value of money,
PV is Present value of money,
I is the interest rate,
N is the number of compounding periods annually and
T is the number of years in the tenure.

So here Pv is 70k in 2011. Its 8 years and considering 7% roi on fd which is compiunded daily

So value in 2019 comes to 1.6 of 70k

That comes to 1.12 lacs.

And i have not yet taken into calculation labour costs, rising salary of employees, and rising costs of manufacturing.

So that throws out the concept of 1.1 lacs for 160 cc while i bought a 150 cc in 2011 at 70k. Also lets not forget taxes were low at that time.

And regarding personal experience a single bad experience can't term it bad.

And nothing is perfect in this world. Neither human, nor relationship, nor situation. We try to make anything and everything perfect.

Preciously bikes used to seize in running in. How many have you seen seizing in todays age.

Bro how much running you have done on your bike, time was there i was doing that much kilometers in a month.

Leave it no use telling all this in this forum. Because the people who know me closely on this forum are in personal contact with me. And they know me what i am worth and what i can do.

So go on shouting whole world about your 1-2 experiences.

Someday when your bike has a problem which no one can solve. You are welcome to contact me. Till then bye and may you enjoy the forum and bike.

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

OK i will discuss about engine oils with you, i have some doubts. Thank you sir.

Re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Sorry sir.

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As of now have clocked about 200 km's on her, she makes me smile every time I crack open the throttle.

Now to be fair the motorcycle has its downsides, sort of;

1. The vibrations are quite noticeable as the revs climb, and this is something coming from me who rides a Pulsar albeit on aftermarket handlebar setup, but then again I would prefer the CBZX to run no other way as the vibes are part of its character, kinda makes you feel alive every time you crack open the throttle, no need to build revs, simply whack it open and she surges past everything in the near vicinity. The only reason I mention this to be a downside is because though normal on a single cylinder, these days vibrations have been a frequently discussed topic.

2. The ergonomics, I have started to get kidney aches from riding the CBZX might be due to my physique as I'm used to straight handlebars on both my other motorcycles, but the position does make cornering a breeze, no effort at all, counter steering comes automatically. I don't know what Hero was thinking while setting the brake pedal height while designing the motorcycle, though extra comfortable on commuter use, when you think of hitting the twisties and lock your rear against the split seat arch, the brake pedal seems to be a bit tall for balls-on-pegs riding, and since the rear brake is super sensitive you tend to lock the rear unintentionally.

3. The chain cover is quite noisy, not sure if this is an isolated issue with the motorcycle at hand but at first my assumption was that something was wrong with the gearbox as the motorcycle made howling noises while riding in 4th gear on the highways at times, but later the sound was found to be arising from the chain cover and funny thing is this only happens in 4th gear, have double checked and confirmed that the transmission is fine.

4. The gearbox is clunky at higher revs, which is common for motorcycles with similar torque curves, this is more noticeable shifting between 1 st and 2nd. But on the other side, finding neutral is a breeze, have ridden several motorcycles but finding neutral has never been so effortless, perfectly clicks into neutral, even when the rear wheel is stationary, no need to rock the motorcycle etc., which is something I've had issues with even while trying the Ninja.

5. The only things not working on the motorcycle is the fuel sensor and fuel tap, the tap for some reason empties the whole tank even when its on ON position. Total cost for part replacement(tap and sensor) would be an approx 500/- I presume but a bit hesitant to remove the tank hence holding back until a need to do the same arises, lazy much!

But the worst news of all is that I'd be returning her to her rightful owner @ATHUL4R soon.

The ride was good while things lasted, but as with all things in life, good times don't last.