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  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

    Originally posted by vikundefined View Post
    Alright guys, so I got my duke checked at svc about the throttle issue. The issue I am facing is that the throttle is not closing properly once I let go off throttle.
    I am facing this issue after getting the throttle body cleaned, this issue was not present before. Mech at the svc adjusted the throttle play a bit which fixed the issue for a day only, but now its back to way it was.
    Mech at svc was suggesting getting throttle body changed which would cost 6k approx, but I would not like to spend this much. My duke has done 57k and it seems like the bike is showing the age now.
    Getting disappointed with the bike and svc. Any suggestions would greatly help.
    I'd suggest you to look at the throttle cable itself. Since, there was an improvement noticed with the play adjusted, sometimes a kinky throttle cable can invariably mildly open the throttle butterfly, giving you a high idle. I'd suggest you check the throttle cable routing, the condition of the throttle cable itself. As s1d mentioned, in the throttle body, the butterfly is held in place by a very strong spring, and unless there is a problem with the spring or a bent butterfly (which are extremely extremely rare) the engine won't idle properly.

    Now, the stepper motor comes into play here. The stepper motor is what controls the idle, which is placed on the throttle body; a faulty stepper motor means invariably high fluctuating RPMs, which is not related to the butterfly valve. I'd suggest you start off with the throttle cable, check for proper routing, and then check the stepper motor. Keep your observations posted.

    Don't give up yet.

    Cheers!
    VJ
    Last edited by B7ACKTHORN; 08-25-2018, 10:36 PM.
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    The girl said, 'NO!'


    And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


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    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

      Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
      I'd suggest you to look at the throttle cable itself. Since, there was an improvement noticed with the play adjusted, sometimes a kinky throttle cable can invariably mildly open the throttle butterfly, giving you a high idle. I'd suggest you check the throttle cable routing, the condition of the throttle cable itself. As s1d mentioned, in the throttle body, the butterfly is held in place by a very strong spring, and unless there is a problem with the spring or a bent butterfly (which are extremely extremely rare) the engine won't idle properly.

      Now, the stepper motor comes into play here. The stepper motor is what controls the idle, which is placed on the throttle body; a faulty stepper motor means invariably high fluctuating RPMs, which is not related to the butterfly valve. I'd suggest you start off with the throttle cable, check for proper routing, and then check the stepper motor. Keep your observations posted.

      Don't give up yet.

      Cheers!
      VJ
      Thanks for sharing feedback VJ, but I got the throttle cable changed as well when the throttle body was cleaned. Yes you're right it can be routing issue as well. I will be going to svc on Tuesday and get the biked checked again.
      This problem has started after getting the throttle body cleaned, so svc guys will have to check this issue and fix it otherwise I am shooting a mail to ktm about this.
      I have just spent 6k on-
      Bike service
      Replacing chain-set
      Replacing rear brake master cylinder
      Replacing brake oil
      Getting throttle body cleaned
      I'll keep you guys posted about the the progress!

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      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

        Originally posted by vikundefined View Post
        Thanks for sharing feedback VJ, but I got the throttle cable changed as well when the throttle body was cleaned. Yes you're right it can be routing issue as well. I will be going to svc on Tuesday and get the biked checked again.
        This problem has started after getting the throttle body cleaned, so svc guys will have to check this issue and fix it otherwise I am shooting a mail to ktm about this.
        I have just spent 6k on-
        Bike service
        Replacing chain-set
        Replacing rear brake master cylinder
        Replacing brake oil
        Getting throttle body cleaned
        I'll keep you guys posted about the the progress!
        Hi guys, so I went to the svc to get the bike checked. They took the throttle body out and reinstalled it again. Bike was riding better after this, so I came back home and didn't ride the bike whole day.
        In the evening I needed to go a nearby shop, cranked the bike and it didn't start. Getting ERROR CODE 23(FI) WARNING LAMP MIL FLASHES 2* Long 3* short blinks.
        Is there anything I can check or do so that I can at least take the bike to svc?

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        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

          Originally posted by vikundefined View Post
          Hi guys, so I went to the svc to get the bike checked. They took the throttle body out and reinstalled it again. Bike was riding better after this, so I came back home and didn't ride the bike whole day.
          In the evening I needed to go a nearby shop, cranked the bike and it didn't start. Getting ERROR CODE 23(FI) WARNING LAMP MIL FLASHES 2* Long 3* short blinks.
          Is there anything I can check or do so that I can at least take the bike to svc?
          does the bike crank but refuse to start ?

          from the manual, 23 corresponds to: "Travel speed sensor - measurement range or power problem"
          maybe the speedo sensor issue and i am thinking it might also be due to the roll over sensor, but am not sure.
          i once had a bad speedo sensor, the console showed random speeds but never had starting trouble or any mil light up.. a new speedo sensor fixed the problem.

          maybe disconnect the battery and reconnect it after say 5 minutes. how old is the battery ? and finally the wiring connections might need to be checked.
          Last edited by s1d; 08-28-2018, 09:41 AM.

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          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

            Originally posted by s1d View Post
            does the bike crank but refuse to start ?

            from the manual, 23 corresponds to: "Travel speed sensor - measurement range or power problem"
            maybe the speedo sensor issue and i am thinking it might also be due to the roll over sensor, but am not sure.
            i once had a bad speedo sensor, the console showed random speeds but never had starting trouble or any mil light up.. a new speedo sensor fixed the problem.

            maybe disconnect the battery and reconnect it after say 5 minutes. how old is the battery ? and finally the wiring connections might need to be checked.
            Yes the bike cranks but refuse to start. Battery is in good condition at the moment. I did try disconnecting the battery but it didn't make a difference.

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            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

              Hi All, This is my 1st post in the forum, I have been a silent follower for so long.I own a Duke 200 (2014 Make) and now the odo is 42K . Right now i am facing an issue of bike turning off when shifting down from 3-2 and 2-1 in traffic. I have been servicing the bike in correct intervals and I take care of her good .Please share your thoughts on the issue.

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              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                Originally posted by Febjos2966 View Post
                Hi All, This is my 1st post in the forum, I have been a silent follower for so long.I own a Duke 200 (2014 Make) and now the odo is 42K . Right now i am facing an issue of bike turning off when shifting down from 3-2 and 2-1 in traffic. I have been servicing the bike in correct intervals and I take care of her good .Please share your thoughts on the issue.
                42k km ,nice!
                do you see a warning on the console for the side stand when this happens ?
                have you changed your riding style, especially when slowing down ? Like shutting the throttle abruptly while slowing down ?
                any other symptoms before/when it shuts down ?
                when was the last time you replaced the fuel filter and spark plug ?

                get the fuel pump pressure tested and run a diagnostics scan using their scan tool.
                you could also have the throttle body cleaned (Careful, don't fall for the 'saar we have to change the throttle body') and plonking in a new fuel filter with maybe a spark plug(if current one is over 14k km old)

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                • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                  Originally posted by s1d View Post
                  42k km ,nice!
                  do you see a warning on the console for the side stand when this happens ?
                  have you changed your riding style, especially when slowing down ? Like shutting the throttle abruptly while slowing down ?
                  any other symptoms before/when it shuts down ?
                  when was the last time you replaced the fuel filter and spark plug ?

                  get the fuel pump pressure tested and run a diagnostics scan using their scan tool.
                  you could also have the throttle body cleaned (Careful, don't fall for the 'saar we have to change the throttle body') and plonking in a new fuel filter with maybe a spark plug(if current one is over 14k km old)
                  Thanks for the input!! I was disappointed with the KTM service here in bangalore ,so ive been giving the bike for service outside KTM(from 30k)onwards,"Joe's garage" to be precise.
                  Regarding the questions:
                  No warnings have been shown
                  Riding style is the same.(Issue comes up in speed less than 30kmph)
                  Shuts down abruptly.
                  Fuel filter and spark plug was changed in 39k service.Had the same shut down problem before the service.,they simply increased the idle and the issue was solved.But again the issue has shown up!!

                  Regards,
                  Febin

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                  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                    Originally posted by Febjos2966 View Post
                    Had the same shut down problem before the service.,they simply increased the idle and the issue was solved.But again the issue has shown up!!
                    how did they increase the idle ? there isn't an idle adjustment screw on the ktm iirc.
                    get the tb cleaned.. followed by a fuel pump pressure test, and maybe clean out the tank and the fuel filter inside the tank(its a small white sock kinda thingy attached to the pump.)
                    you could also maybe swap the tps/ics (throttle position sensor, idle control steeper motor) on the tb from another bike and check.

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                    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                      Originally posted by s1d View Post
                      how did they increase the idle ? there isn't an idle adjustment screw on the ktm iirc.
                      get the tb cleaned.. followed by a fuel pump pressure test, and maybe clean out the tank and the fuel filter inside the tank(its a small white sock kinda thingy attached to the pump.)
                      you could also maybe swap the tps/ics (throttle position sensor, idle control steeper motor) on the tb from another bike and check.
                      Will check on the above.Thanks

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                      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                        Originally posted by Febjos2966 View Post
                        Hi All, This is my 1st post in the forum, I have been a silent follower for so long.I own a Duke 200 (2014 Make) and now the odo is 42K . Right now i am facing an issue of bike turning off when shifting down from 3-2 and 2-1 in traffic. I have been servicing the bike in correct intervals and I take care of her good .Please share your thoughts on the issue.
                        How well is your clutch lever free play? Check your clutch free play. Clutch play is nothing but the free lever play before the clutch actually starts to engage. Too high or too low and you stall the engine. Get your clutch lever free play checked and adjusted, and observe if it makes any difference. Do keep your observations posted.

                        Cheers!
                        VJ
                        Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                        The girl said, 'NO!'


                        And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                        THE END

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                        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                          Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                          How well is your clutch lever free play? Check your clutch free play. Clutch play is nothing but the free lever play before the clutch actually starts to engage. Too high or too low and you stall the engine. Get your clutch lever free play checked and adjusted, and observe if it makes any difference. Do keep your observations posted.

                          Cheers!
                          VJ
                          A small correction there in your explanation. The clutch is actually engaged when the lever is in open position. So, it's the other way around when you press it.
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                          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                            Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post
                            A small correction there in your explanation. The clutch is actually engaged when the lever is in open position. So, it's the other way around when you press it.
                            Hey Ram! Long time. Well, what I meant by engagement was the friction point after the play where one actually starts to feel the clutch, engagement as you've pointed.

                            Cheers!
                            VJ
                            Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                            The girl said, 'NO!'


                            And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                            THE END

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                            • KTM Duke 200 Ownership Experience

                              Hello Friends,
                              I Have Been Using Yamaha FZ16 Untill I Own A KTM Duke200.I Bought The Duke 200 In March 2018 And It's Been 8Months Of Owning The Bike And it Ran About 12000kms On My Hands. So I Thought Off Writing A Review About My Motorcycle.

                              * Why I Bought Duke200?
                              My Usage Was Most Of City Runs And Weekend Long Rides,And Also Touring.So I Was In Search Of A Motorcycle Wich Is More Reliable And Wich Can Do What Ever I Expect From A Motorcycle Or Wich Is Best Suited For My Commuting.So The Duke200 Have Good Fuel Efficiency As Well As Power Wich Is More Than Enough For My Locality Road Conditions And It Was More Reliable When Compared To Other Bikes In The Segment(According To Me).So I Bought The Duke200 Wich Was Well Suited For My Usage.

                              * Charecter Of The Duke200
                              KTM Duke 200 Is The Bike Wich Is Made For The Youngsters Wich Behaves Like A Warm Blooded Youngster.With It's Agressive Nature Of Powerdelivery And Also It Has Good Fuel Efficiency For The Power It Has On Offer.And It's Not Much Comfortable For Touring But You Can Do Touring On This Motorcycle, It's Comfortable When Compared To RC200.

                              *Where The Duke200 Feels Better
                              Duke200 Rides Better In The Corners Where You Can Carry More Speed Throughout The Corner With Better Lean Angle,And The Mid-range Is Strong Part In it's Power Delivery Where You Can Cruise Easily At 80-100kmph On Highway With Better Fuel Efficiency Of 38-40kmpl.But It Lacks The Topend Performance Due to the Revlimiter Wich Kicks In At 10k Rpm.

                              *Quality &Relablity
                              When Compared To The Older Version Dukes The New Version Doesn't Has Good Quality Of Parts And The Paint Scheme Is Not Bright As The Older Version Dukes The Quality Of The Parts Goes Decreasing Year By Year.And The Bike Is More Reliable When Compared to Other Motorcycles In The Market.KTM Has Good Service Network And Also They Assist You In Case Of Any Problems.

                              *Maintenance
                              People Believe Or Not The Maintenance Cost Of The Duke200 Is Cheaper Now Even Though It Is A Performance Motorcycle And Not An Indian Brand.But The Bajaj Made The Spares Are Soo Cheaper When Compared To Honda,Yamaha,Suzuki Etc Wich Are Not An Indian Brand.The Regular Service By Changing The Engine Oil And Periodic Kit Cost Just About 2.5k Wich Comes For Every 7500kms.Where You Don't Even Have To Go To Service Center So Quickly Due To The Long Service Interval.And The Wear&Tear Spare Are Also Cheaper.But if You Maintain Your Motorcycle Periodically By Cleaning And Checking It Daily Your Bikes Parts Will Last Longer Like Chain Sprockets Break pads Oilseal's Etc.Wich Will Last Longer If You Maintain Your Motorcycle Properly By Washing And Cleaning Each And Every Parts.

                              *After Sales Service
                              The Service Centers Of KTM Showroom Has Good Standards Where You Can Feel Of Purchasing A Premium And Also They Offer Many Schemes Like Orenge Assist,Orenge Rides,Orenge Day Etc.And Also Service Centers Are equipped With Well Trained Mechanic's And Well Equipped Instrument's
                              But In Some Of The Service Centers The Workers Don't Work Properly,I Don't Know Why? And in most Of The Cities KTM Service Centers Available.

                              *My Verdict
                              These Are The Experience Wich I Faced After Purchasing The Motorcycle I The Opinion Might Be Different Of Others.But I Am Happy And Well Satisfied With What I Have Purchased.

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                              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                                Guys anyone know ..what led light is used in duke200 number plate light?

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