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  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

    Originally posted by s1d View Post
    2700rs for the O2 sensor!!! did you see the printed mrp on the cover?
    400 bucks labor for screwing it in!

    I had the speedo sensor replaced today under warranty, damn.. it normally costs 417rs!
    My dealer (not ktm) is offering an extended 3yr warranty for 1500rs, I probably should avail that !
    Yes it is printed and its 2667/- to be precise... O2 sensors are expensive both in motorcycles and even cars is what I have heard... 350+tax for labour and mech was trying to fit o2 sensor from another bike and cleaned up my old one tried with it again and finally the new one so it tripled the work for him so didn't mind paying 400...

    I just wish I got an extended warranty, wouldn't mind even it costs 2 to 2.5k... I think you should opt for it...
    Last edited by Srvn; 04-21-2016, 10:08 AM.

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    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

      Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
      Fuel leaks are only two possibilities, either the in line fuel filter tubes are loose, or ill fitted post service or you have a leak in your fuel pump assembly at the bottom. There is a rubber O ring IIRC, at the bottom of the fuel pump assembly, if that is warped or a goner then you have this leak. Start first with the basics such as in line fuel filter, hoses, clamps and then proceed to fuel pump finally if the issue isn't resolved.

      Cheers!
      VJ
      I did not get a lot of time to check this yesterday but the fuel is leaking from the left corner of the tank in extremely small quantities. Barely a trickle. I will check the tank and filters today.
      And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high.

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      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

        Anyone has used vinyl sheets to customise duke? Planning to do a complete vinyl with either brushed silver/grey and just ktm logo over it. Somewhat similar to Kunka did.

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        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

          Originally posted by jeshurun99 View Post
          A frnd of mine had jerky ride in lower gears as you have mentioned. Get the fuel pump checked once for the pressure of fuel flow.
          He replaced the fuel pump and everything was fine afterwards in his bike.
          hmm okay.Seems like the same issue.May be the fuel pump.But right now i get a mileage of around 40 only if i dont redline in city.Wondering will it hamper the mileage by any way.

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          Originally posted by Srvn View Post
          Thanks a ton for the info guys!

          I was facing a similar jerking/stuttering on my motorcycle past 3 weeks, which is 3.4 years and 24K kms old.

          I routinely drive at 15 to 20 kph in second gear inside the Tech park that is good 1.5kms which gives sufficient time for engine to warm up in the night.

          Following were observations:

          When tried to hold steady speeds (ofc with steady throttle) around 15 to 20 kph in second gear (around 2.5k to 3k rpm), bike feels like it is running out of fuel and begins to feel like it is goin to die (jerk/stutter) and with a moderate amount of extra twist of throttle, bike comes to feel normal without any signs of jerk anymore (when rpm reaches a little past 3.5k rpm)

          Also was simultaneously getting MIL (engine check light in common terms) blinking on the console, MIL blink pattern was one long and seven short blinks, checked online for blink code and it represented a Lambda (oxygen/o2) sensor malfunction error (Please note it usually takes a cold engine around 3-4 kms to show up MIL code and then it stays on)



          Action taken: Took it to my regular svc; Auto service, they read the error readings and confirmed that it is the o2 sensor malfunction error and tried to test the o2 sensor on my bike with a different sensor from another D200 and voila!, no jerking/stutering and no MIL error codes. Mech decided to clean my o2 sensor and give it a try, with my old sensor back on both jerking and MIL code was back. This confirmed my o2 sensor had gone faulty. A new o2 sensor was out of stock, it took 6 days for the stock to arrive. With the new o2 sensor there is no jerking/stuttering at low rpms. Total bill: 2.7k for the new sensor and around 400 bucks as labour.

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          Srvn
          Same problem i have,but it doesnt show any MIL.It just stutters the same way yours do.If you hold a steady speed at around 15kmph it starts stuttering .Can it be an O2 sensor fault.If so how is O2 sensor related to stutterig.Clearly my symptoms are same as yours,only difference being i dont see any MIL lights at all.Also after changing O2 sensor any change in mileage?

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          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

            Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
            Same problem i have,but it doesnt show any MIL.It just stutters the same way yours do.If you hold a steady speed at around 15kmph it starts stuttering .Can it be an O2 sensor fault.If so how is O2 sensor related to stutterig.Clearly my symptoms are same as yours,only difference being i dont see any MIL lights at all.Also after changing O2 sensor any change in mileage?
            As I said in the post, it usually takes a cold engine around 3-4 kms of driving to turn on the MIL to blink and then it stays on. Ideally, if there is something wrong w.r.t sensors gone faulty and all, ecu flashes them on the MIL to alert the rider but in your case I'm not sure if it related to o2 sensor. I'd suggest you to take the bike to the svc and read out the ecu for any error readings if any and proceed further, if there's nothing shown on the diagnostic tool (ecu readings) then you might go ahead with fuel pump pressure check.

            Additionally, 1.Have you tried changing the fuel station, after you have encountered the jerking/stuttering?

            2. Tried cleaning the air filter and run the bike?

            If no is the answer, then I would ask you to try above two things and if bike still jerk/stutters then head to svc.

            To answer your question about o2 sensor causing jerky behavior, o2/oxygen sensor reads the amount of oxygen present in the exhaust gas in the exhaust system (after combustion stroke) and informs the same to the ecu, so the ecu can determine the optimum amount of fuel needs to be supplied to the engine.

            So when o2 sensor becomes faulty, it sends incorrect data or no data to the ecu, which causes ecu to supply excess (rich mixture) fuel (less mileage) or less (lean mixture) fuel (more mileage and more engine heating/wear and tear) and in my case it caused jerk/stuttering in low rpms

            No I haven't checked the mileage with the new o2 sensor, I am sure it should have been increased. Hope I was able to help.

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            Srvn
            Last edited by Srvn; 04-21-2016, 05:29 PM. Reason: Added additional info

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            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

              Guys i m faving a problem where my bike is stalling.. And knocking on low rpms like 3-3.5k nd the acceleration sometimes gives a null response

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              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                Originally posted by Shourya014 View Post
                Guys i m faving a problem where my bike is stalling.. And knocking on low rpms like 3-3.5k nd the acceleration sometimes gives a null response
                Clogged fuel filter or adulterated fuel could be causing this. Try fuelling from a reputed bunk and check if the issue persists.

                By the way, how many kms on the ODO ?

                Cheers,
                Sanjay
                http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/touring-queries-route-planning-itinerary/33587-endurance-ride.html

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                • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                  Originally posted by Srvn View Post
                  As I said in the post, it usually takes a cold engine around 3-4 kms of driving to turn on the MIL to blink and then it stays on. Ideally, if there is something wrong w.r.t sensors gone faulty and all, ecu flashes them on the MIL to alert the rider but in your case I'm not sure if it related to o2 sensor. I'd suggest you to take the bike to the svc and read out the ecu for any error readings if any and proceed further, if there's nothing shown on the diagnostic tool (ecu readings) then you might go ahead with fuel pump pressure check.

                  Additionally, 1.Have you tried changing the fuel station, after you have encountered the jerking/stuttering?

                  2. Tried cleaning the air filter and run the bike?

                  If no is the answer, then I would ask you to try above two things and if bike still jerk/stutters then head to svc.

                  To answer your question about o2 sensor causing jerky behavior, o2/oxygen sensor reads the amount of oxygen present in the exhaust gas in the exhaust system (after combustion stroke) and informs the same to the ecu, so the ecu can determine the optimum amount of fuel needs to be supplied to the engine.

                  So when o2 sensor becomes faulty, it sends incorrect data or no data to the ecu, which causes ecu to supply excess (rich mixture) fuel (less mileage) or less (lean mixture) fuel (more mileage and more engine heating/wear and tear) and in my case it caused jerk/stuttering in low rpms

                  No I haven't checked the mileage with the new o2 sensor, I am sure it should have been increased. Hope I was able to help.

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                  Srvn
                  Excellent info bro.Yes i would probably check it in SVC in 2nd service..It does give the stutter at low rps,same as you mentioned but no MIL lights.I cna live with it.Just dont want to mess around with it now as everlasting else is perfect with the bike .
                  Probably the Fuel Pump pressure needs to be checked.I fear if they screw it up then the Mileage might go Kaput!(Currently i get around 310 kms from full tank to Hitting reserve)

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                  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                    Originally posted by sanjaysangar1990 View Post
                    Clogged fuel filter or adulterated fuel could be causing this. Try fuelling from a reputed bunk and check if the issue persists.

                    By the way, how many kms on the ODO ?

                    Cheers,
                    Sanjay
                    I have an odo reading of 4007

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                    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                      After a short ride I can smell the fuel, checked for leaks but couldn't locate anything .
                      the fuel quantity drops drastically, but the leaks are nowhere to be found.

                      when i am parking the bike there is loss of fuel and I don't know how

                      Any one can help me out .

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                      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                        Originally posted by DesiDude View Post
                        After a short ride I can smell the fuel, checked for leaks but couldn't locate anything .
                        the fuel quantity drops drastically, but the leaks are nowhere to be found.

                        when i am parking the bike there is loss of fuel and I don't know how

                        Any one can help me out .
                        STOP riding the motorcycle. Secondly, tow the bike if you can to the nearest SVC. Thirdly, check for improperly attached inline fuel filter feed pipes, if they aren't snapped in properly, they shall, and will in all probability cause leaks. Secondly, leaks can be caused by underneath the fuel tank where the fuel pump is placed, faulty pump seal O ring can cause leaks.

                        Sticking to basics, check the inline fuel filter, fuel lines. Just prime the fuel pump, but don't crank, do it twice or thrice and observe below and see where you can see the splashes or leak emanates from. If you still can't find the problem, tow it to the nearest SVC. Safety comes in first, because you never know when it can flame up, sonny!

                        Cheers!
                        VJ
                        Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                        The girl said, 'NO!'


                        And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                        THE END

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                        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                          Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                          Fuel leaks are only two possibilities, either the in line fuel filter tubes are loose, or ill fitted post service or you have a leak in your fuel pump assembly at the bottom. There is a rubber O ring IIRC, at the bottom of the fuel pump assembly, if that is warped or a goner then you have this leak. Start first with the basics such as in line fuel filter, hoses, clamps and then proceed to fuel pump finally if the issue isn't resolved.

                          Cheers!
                          VJ
                          Visited the SC to get the leak checked. Had them open the tank in front of me. The tank had two small cracks near the fuel pump. Got the tank replaced under warranty. Cost of a new tank is INR 1700.

                          Photos attached. My guess is that the mechanic who checked the fuel pump 2 months ago tightened the screws too tight resulting in the cracks. Is it possible? Cannot think of a reason for this to happen.
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                          And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high.

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                          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                            Originally posted by Yusha View Post
                            Visited the SC to get the leak checked. Had them open the tank in front of me. The tank had two small cracks near the fuel pump. Got the tank replaced under warranty. Cost of a new tank is INR 1700.

                            Photos attached. My guess is that the mechanic who checked the fuel pump 2 months ago tightened the screws too tight resulting in the cracks. Is it possible? Cannot think of a reason for this to happen.
                            Beautiful, appreciate the pictures. There's a reason why torque specifications are provided, especially the Loctite where required, just so, service personnel don't go overboard with the torque specifications. But do we have a choice? Absolutely none of the mechanics elsewhere follow or go through the torque spec, they either over torque or lower torque the bolts. So, yes if your tank/pump has been removed before then, yes, there is a high probability this might be the reason. Do keep an eye on the upcoming days? Just curious, was this the service center that you gave your bike previously for servicing?

                            Cheers!
                            VJ
                            Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                            The girl said, 'NO!'


                            And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                            THE END

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                            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                              Originally posted by Yusha View Post
                              Visited the SC to get the leak checked. Had them open the tank in front of me. The tank had two small cracks near the fuel pump. Got the tank replaced under warranty. Cost of a new tank is INR 1700.

                              Photos attached. My guess is that the mechanic who checked the fuel pump 2 months ago tightened the screws too tight resulting in the cracks. Is it possible? Cannot think of a reason for this to happen.
                              Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                              Beautiful, appreciate the pictures. There's a reason why torque specifications are provided, especially the Loctite where required, just so, service personnel don't go overboard with the torque specifications. But do we have a choice? Absolutely none of the mechanics elsewhere follow or go through the torque spec, they either over torque or lower torque the bolts. So, yes if your tank/pump has been removed before then, yes, there is a high probability this might be the reason. Do keep an eye on the upcoming days? Just curious, was this the service center that you gave your bike previously for servicing?
                              Scary stuff man! I have no doubt that it was the improper fitment/over tightening that caused the damage.
                              Unfortunately most of these mechanics tend to over tighten bolts. even if they do not want to use a torque wrench, i fail to understand why they can't tighten by feel and use some common sense.
                              I had the front fender broken near one of the mud flap mounting nut due to their over tightening routine(during one of my complaint about a vibration). They had the audacity to point that out as an accident when i went in with the brake disc issue(which for some reason warped/bent).
                              I think you should send these pictures to bajaj customer service in an email so that you have the issue documented. This was a potentially very dangerous issue that could have caused a fire and loss of life.

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                              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                                Originally posted by s1d View Post
                                Scary stuff man! I have no doubt that it was the improper fitment/over tightening that caused the damage.
                                Unfortunately most of these mechanics tend to over tighten bolts. even if they do not want to use a torque wrench, i fail to understand why they can't tighten by feel and use some common sense.
                                I had the front fender broken near one of the mud flap mounting nut due to their over tightening routine(during one of my complaint about a vibration). They had the audacity to point that out as an accident when i went in with the brake disc issue(which for some reason warped/bent).
                                I think you should send these pictures to bajaj customer service in an email so that you have the issue documented. This was a potentially very dangerous issue that could have caused a fire and loss of life.
                                Indeed. With temperature on the rise and cars flaming up for no reason, a fuel leak like this, and if one's unlucky, the story can be altogether different with disastrous consequences. I personally love plastic tanks, they last a life time as opposed to metal tanks, no rust, no problems, no fuel/rust reaction problems. But problems like these, really tend to bring smile on grim reaper's face.

                                Do keep a tab on this fuel issue guys.

                                Cheers!
                                VJ
                                Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                                The girl said, 'NO!'


                                And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                                THE END

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