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**Grafix** · 08-05-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by ACE_HUNTER View Post

Congrats once again better change your avatar pic to real one

Yuppiee!!! I got to see the White in flesh today.This is the one and only white available in my city and it belongs to me.will take the delivery on sat OTR here is allmost 75000.

btw i was expecting the bike to look more good than wht it is , thnx to chicanes pics

Anyway its good and im waiting for it , only 3 days now.will keep u guys updated.im attaching a stupid quality pic, enjoy

**chauhan_saurabh** · 08-05-2009, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Grafix View Post

Yuppiee!!! I got to see the White in flesh today.This is the one and only white available in my city and it belongs to me.will take the delivery on sat OTR here is allmost 75000.

btw i was expecting the bike to look more good than wht it is , thnx to chicanes pics

Anyway its good and im waiting for it , only 3 days now.will keep u guys updated.im attaching a stupid quality pic, enjoy

So there are places which are costlier than Bangalore

.. here OTR is around 73.5k
Anyways congrats .. waiting for more pics and review.

**~Sathya~** · 08-05-2009, 11:51 PM

4000KM report . *bleep bleep*

Bad accident.Slipped on slush at I dont know - 20 - ?

Footpeg broke on the gear level side. Nice pretty looking scratches on the dome.HUGE ASS SCARTCHESSSSSSS @___@. Big dent on the tank. Crash guard bent T_T. Second fall on the same day at the same time on the same road near the same ****** slush leads to scrapes on the silencer ... Bent crashguard on the other side.Dent on the other side. Neat nice looking scartches on the dome again.

Result to the rider - Matching bruises on both the ankles and hands.

After around 1100KMS+ my disc just lost its life and it started making noises...both the front and back one. It went off after the service when I told the service guy and it was back again after 10 KMS. I'm looking for different tire options also

Top speed check after 2nd Service was 133. Lock. I couldn't go more. Buhbye for now.

**bogusgenius** · 08-06-2009, 12:25 AM

New 180

Originally posted by chauhan_saurabh View Post

Nice one .. specially the last two which interested me the most

.. others were almost transparent to me.

Couldn't get the highlighted part? Is it because of riding stance?

Think so. In the R15 you're leaning forward too much that your entire body weight seems to rest on the wrists. Had terrible pain at the wrist for a couple of days after riding the R15.

Originally posted by julianpaul View Post

The Prowler! Damn, that machine was on my wishlist for a while. I kinda hoped it would be the bike to beat the shogun and rx. Luckily, i never got the opportunity to try it out; they scrapped it before it was even sold in bombay, just sold a few in pune. Please do share something about your prowler ownership, except this thread may not quite be the place to do so. I'm getting all nostalgic now ... petrol at Rs. 25/litre, etc....

The bike itself is quite a scorcher. The problem was with Bajaj. They should have withdrawn the bike from the showrooms once they realized that they could not afford to provide support with spares. Shame on them for that.
Fortunately, the highly tuned KB 125 engine of the Prowler was very familiar to local mechanics and didn't pose much of a problem.
Even the RTR180 cant hold a candle to the prowler with regards to low end torque, the thing just pulls.., does 10 kmph in 5th gear add to this a light weight caliber chassis and Brembo disks at the front, you've got a bike that
accelerates fast and stops even faster. The Brembo's were phenomenal, the best brakes ever on an Indian bike, period. Sadly they've gone kaput sometime back and there is no way anyone can fix it.
I've not even tried to sell this bike for fear of being ridiculed.

**johnjojo08** · 08-06-2009, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by kauria View Post

There is no difference in handelbars betwwen 160, Fi & 180 apart from the colour. Another small difference is the barend weights, which is little longer then the old one, elce everything standrad.

Handle bars are little longer in 180 to make it comfortable in long journeys.. I have confirmed it from the dealer and also observed by parking 180 and 160 together. Also the throttle is little longer by some mms.. only close observation of both bikes side by side can reveal these things.. Bar end weights are bigger to reduce handle bar vibrations..

**Praful** · 08-06-2009, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post

i completely disagree....

those mm's not making any diff in the flickability of the bike...

to be honest if TVS would have never mentioned the long swingarm thing (those tiny MM's) nobody could have ever noticed it and FORGET noticing while driving and telling the less flickable thing and all....

Originally posted by julianpaul View Post

+1 to both points. most of our 'limitations' are in our heads.
longer?! i thought the bar end was pretty damn huge as it is. maybe a solution to reduce handlebar vibes further.

Have you guys ridden the R160 and R180 back to back to come up with your above mentioned genius comments?

I took a TR of both bikes the RTR Fi and RTR 180 back to back...one thing was definitely evident in the handling department...and thats the razor sharp handling of the 160 over the 180. The 180 is definitely lazier than the 160.

Its pretty clear neither of you have ridden the RTR 180 yet. :P

**Sarvajit** · 08-06-2009, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Have you guys ridden the R160 and R180 back to back to come up with your above mentioned genius comments?

I took a TR of both bikes the RTR Fi and RTR 180 back to back...one thing was definitely evident in the handling department...and thats the razor sharp handling of the 160 over the 180. The 180 is definitely lazier than the 160.

Its pretty clear neither of you have ridden the RTR 180 yet. :P

Bang on! I forgot to mention my test ride was done with both the bikes. We rode both back to back&felt the 180 to be a bit sluggish in corners.
Now I understand the handlebar length&bar end weights-since it was dark, I couldn't even examine them properly.
But I still maintain that the 180 felt slightly front heavier&hence less flickable.

**Hyperion** · 08-06-2009, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Have you guys ridden the R160 and R180 back to back to come up with your above mentioned genius comments?

I took a TR of both bikes the RTR Fi and RTR 180 back to back...one thing was definitely evident in the handling department...and thats the razor sharp handling of the 160 over the 180. The 180 is definitely lazier than the 160.

Its pretty clear neither of you have ridden the RTR 180 yet. :P

I agree.

The 160 has a tendency to "fall" into the corner. Rather too quickly. Sometimes that can be scary. But I didnt find that on the 180, I had taken only a short ride. The bike is much more focussed and confident around corners. And its not just the extended wheelbase but also 17" tubeless at the rear.

**bogusgenius** · 08-06-2009, 01:14 AM

**chauhan_saurabh** · 08-06-2009, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by bogusgenius View Post

Checked the mfg date, was 20/07, hardly 10 days, which made me happy(+1). Chose one, noted the engine number and left.
To be continued...

Nice one ..
just wanted to know how did you verify the mfg date? from the chassis/engine number -- if so, what is the position of this date in those?

**julianpaul** · 08-06-2009, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Have you guys ridden the R160 and R180 back to back to come up with your above mentioned genius comments?

I took a TR of both bikes the RTR Fi and RTR 180 back to back...one thing was definitely evident in the handling department...and thats the razor sharp handling of the 160 over the 180. The 180 is definitely lazier than the 160.

Its pretty clear neither of you have ridden the RTR 180 yet. :P

Well, mr. test ride expert

, if you weren't speed-reading my post you would have seen that i never said that i rode the 180 anywhere. renny did though. I was talking about how false preconceptions can create a negative psychological effect which greatly affects one's riding. Anyways, the handlebar (if it really is longer) and weights will have little to no effect on flickability. And more than the 26mm wheelbase increase, the 10mm wider rear tyre and its profile will make it slower into turns. Part of the reason for the 160 'falling' into turns is the tyre profile, it's a kind of wedge shape: \_/ instead of a smooth curve.

Originally posted by ~Sathya~ View Post

4000KM report . *bleep bleep*

Bad accident.Slipped on slush at I dont know - 20 - ?

you did 4k km in how much time ?? !! and that's a lot of damage for a slow speed fall. get well soon! both you and the bike

Originally posted by johnjojo08 View Post

Handle bars are little longer in 180 to make it comfortable in long journeys

those clipons are not gonna get more comfortable just by increasing the length. all that does is give you more leverage to make turning easier. and moving them closer or further away just makes the reach adjustable for taller or shorter riders. the only way to make it more comfortable for long rides is to raise the height of the bars.

**chicane1879** · 08-06-2009, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post

i completely disagree....

those mm's not making any diff in the flickability of the bike...

to be honest if TVS would have never mentioned the long swingarm thing (those tiny MM's) nobody could have ever noticed it and FORGET noticing while driving and telling the less flickable thing and all....

Dude, i never mentioned the extended wheelbase aiding/dampening the flickability of the bike.I have written what i experienced after doing considerable amount of kms in city traffic/highway/with pillion etc. The bike is indeed less flickable.

Originally posted by Hyperion View Post

I agree.

The 160 has a tendency to "fall" into the corner. Rather too quickly. Sometimes that can be scary. But I didnt find that on the 180, I had taken only a short ride. The bike is much more focussed and confident around corners. And its not just the extended wheelbase but also 17" tubeless at the rear.

Spot on!! The 160s change direction like no other.

Originally posted by julianpaul View Post

I was talking about how false preconceptions can create a negative psychological effect which greatly affects one's riding. Anyways, the handlebar (if it really is longer) and weights will have little to no effect on flickability. And more than the 26mm wheelbase increase, the 10mm wider rear tyre and its profile will make it slower into turns. Part of the reason for the 160 'falling' into turns is the tyre profile, it's a kind of wedge shape: \_/ instead of a smooth curve.

i dont care about the tyres being wider or the wheelbase increase, i am more interested in the end-result performance.Having said that, the bike is less flickable.C'mon dude, i have ridden the RTRs extensively and i can safely bet on what i am talking and this is no psychological thing.

Yesterday, only i was riding a RTR and it felt lot more lighter and flickable.

[/B]Part of the reason for the 160 'falling' into turns is the tyre profile, it's a kind of wedge shape: \_/ instead of a smooth curve.

Me thinks too, this could be the reason and the extended wheelbase lending better high speed stability.

**Hyperion** · 08-06-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by julianpaul View Post

Part of the reason for the 160 'falling' into turns is the tyre profile, it's a kind of wedge shape: \_/ instead of a smooth curve.

Perhaps, but I have a Zapper Q 110/90 at the rear.

**rennycornelius** · 08-06-2009, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Have you guys ridden the R160 and R180 back to back to come up with your above mentioned genius comments?

I took a TR of both bikes the RTR Fi and RTR 180 back to back...one thing was definitely evident in the handling department...and thats the razor sharp handling of the 160 over the 180. The 180 is definitely lazier than the 160.

Its pretty clear neither of you have ridden the RTR 180 yet. :P

i can ask you the same thing what you said at the last.....

if it that so tell me the theory behind how those 26mm making the life hell for 180 around the corners and how out good old Trustee RTR /FI (which i believe is the best cornering machine after the R15 in market) is "falling" good around the corners....

like julian said our comments are coming cuz we know the extended swingarm thing, the 180 is not 50kgs heavier than RTR that's making the corner party slow down nor the 110 section rear tyre is ruining the whole thing as TVS "compensated" by making it a 17" one.....

now sir plz back up ur lines in bold for me with some solid theory's that how RTR 180 is slowing down around the corners...

i'll wait for it....

Originally posted by Hyperion View Post

The 160 has a tendency to "fall" into the corner. Rather too quickly. Sometimes that can be scary. But I didnt find that on the 180, I had taken only a short ride. The bike is much more focussed and confident around corners. And its not just the extended wheelbase but also 17" tubeless at the rear.

buddy the 17" rear will actually make it more flickable around the corners..like the GOD of handling RTR 160/FI...

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

Dude, i never mentioned the extended wheelbase aiding/dampening the flickability of the bike.I have written what i experienced after doing considerable amount of kms in city traffic/highway/with pillion etc. The bike is indeed less flickable..

ok...
that's how you felt..
you'll stand by ur ex i'll hold mine....

**vivekpetrohead** · 08-06-2009, 01:56 PM

Never ridden the 160 or FI much, to judge its handling. Bt the RTR 180 is an excellent handler & flickability is great.

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