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  • Originally posted by payeng View Post
    Oye bhai.. why drag us into this?


    Originally posted by payeng View Post
    The performance testing of Bike India is done by its Chief Editor Mr. Aspi Bhathena, (who is also the only Indian to have raced at the The Isle of Man TT Race).

    I don't see anyone trying to challenge him on the track. Maybe the timing on all the bikes have been done by Mr. Aspi himself, one after the other.
    Then they are right..
    Mr. Aspi is the god of doing all this stuff, i still remember him racing the ported RD's.
    The Magician"

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    • Originally posted by shivank View Post
      1PS=0.986 BHP.So,17.3PS=17.0578 HP..

      It still is above 17 bhp.

      +1...

      But I have a doubt here.When both,the RTR180 and the P220 have identical pick-up.RTR has better brakes,it's faster to 400m drag and the best roll-on timings..(all as per BI).Then,Why was it left trailing behind P220 by over 3 sec ??(As per BI again)
      Then,they have contradicted themselves!!

      Btw, we have dragged A180s against P220s. P220 is faster by 2 n 1/2-3 bike lengths in a quarter mile run. But still if you ask me then the difference is not much when you consider the difference of 40cc/~4 PS/~4NM.

      Checked the RTR Manual. It says 17.3 bhp!!

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      • Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
        Apache has lesser pickup compared to P220. The engine is rev happy though. P220 has more torque.

        Edit - Its just a 16.8bhp machine yaar, and you still ask why the Apache lags behind!
        Okay sir..but when nobody is sure if it's 17.3 or 17.03 PS,I'll assume it to be 17.3 bhp as per the manual!
        Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
        BI should switch the riders (give the guy who was drivin the 220, RTR and vice versa) and the figures will come into RTR's side.
        It was all cuz of the rider, and i have a quest, was the track wet?
        And that rider is the one showing P220 of others the pair of leds round the twisties astride his RTR-Fi..Right?

        Originally posted by payeng View Post
        The performance testing of Bike India is done by its Chief Editor Mr. Aspi Bhathena, (who has also once upon a time raced at the "The Isle of Man TT Race").

        I don't see anyone trying to challenge him on the track. Maybe the timing on all the bikes have been done by Mr. Aspi himself, one after the other.
        Mr.Aspi,I believe is the best-cum-fastest moto-journo we have in our country..
        May be the tires scared him pushing bike to limits...
        Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
        Then,they have contradicted themselves!!

        Btw, we have dragged A180s against P220s. P220 is faster by 2 n 1/2-3 bike lengths in a quarter mile run. But still if you ask me then the difference is not much when you consider the difference of 40cc/~4 PS/~4NM.

        Checked the RTR Manual. It says 17.3 bhp!!
        ..Wow! Amazing..17.3 bhp is final!
        If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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        • Originally posted by shivank View Post
          Mr.Aspi,I believe is the best-cum-fastest moto-journo we have in our country..
          That award for now goes to Varad More.

          Enough of discussion about bhp figures, a .2-.3 won;t make much of a difference.

          Unbiased guys will admit that a RTR-180 can be faster than any Pulsar on a track and the scenario changes on the road where the P-220 will keep gaining.

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          • Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

            Enough of discussion about bhp figures, a .2-.3 won;t make much of a difference.

            Unbiased guys will admit that a RTR-180 can be faster than any Pulsar on a track and the scenario changes on the road where the P-220 will keep gaining.
            .................+1
            The Magician"

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            • Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
              Apache has lesser pickup compared to P220. The engine is rev happy though. P220 has more torque.

              Edit - Its just a 16.8bhp machine yaar, and you still ask why the Apache lags behind!
              And what do you have to say about the R15? Why is P220 lagging behind the R15(which has only 17 PS) if it has 21PS ?

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              • Originally posted by Hyperion View Post
                And what do you have to say about the R15? Why is P220 lagging behind the R15(which has only 17 PS) if it has 21PS ?
                + 1 to that
                Down the GEAR and DISAPPEAR

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                • Why so much hungama?

                  We all know the RTR180 is going to be faster than the Fat head P220 around a track, if not anything it will keep up for sure even with the improved handling of the 220 (which IMO is still a b*****). I personally have clocked a faster lap time @ MMSC on a RTR160 as compared to my 220 .

                  But those are track conditions, real world conditions are far more different and 99% of us don't head to the tracks. The only scenario which is almost close to simulating the track in the real world is probably climbing twisties. Here it will all boil down to who's a better rider. The RTR has a stronger mid-range, better handling and the 220 on the other hand monster Torque to propel it quickly out of a corner, but shoddy handling to go with it.

                  Real world results would be far more different than what the track results show, so lets not bring down a bike coz all are good in their respective arenas.

                  And the R15 is from a whole new planet altogether, no use comparing it to the old tech stuff that the RTR and Pee run on.
                  Last edited by Praful; 08-04-2010, 10:58 AM.
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                  • Originally posted by Praful View Post
                    Why so much hungama?

                    We all know the RTR180 is going to be faster than the Fat head P220 around a track, if not anything it will keep up for sure even with the improved handling of the 220 (which IMO is still a b*****). I personally have clocked a faster lap time @ MMSC on a RTR160 as compared to my 220 .

                    But those are track conditions, real world conditions are far more different and 99% of us don't head to the tracks. The only scenario which is almost close to simulating the track in the real world is probably climbing twisties. Here it will all boil down to who's a better rider. The RTR has a stronger mid-range, better handling and the 220 on the other hand monster Torque to propel it quickly out of a corner, but shoddy handling to go with it.

                    Real world results would be far more different than what the track results show, so lets not bring down a bike coz all are good in their respective arenas.

                    And the R15 is from a whole new planet altogether, no use comparing it to the old tech stuff that the RTR and Pee run on.
                    Agreed. The hungama is because of the 180 turning out to be significantly slower than the p220S on the track.

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                    • Originally posted by Hyperion View Post
                      Agreed. The hungama is because of the 180 turning out to be significantly slower than the p220S on the track.
                      I think we all also know magazines tend to favor certain manufacturers over the others at different time, its all a money game.

                      Lets not take these numbers to heart and more importantly lets not let these numbers take away the joy of riding these machines!
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                      • Originally posted by Praful View Post
                        Here it will all boil down to who's a better rider.
                        J Lo vs the rest in Moto GP, hmmm

                        And the R15 is from a whole new planet altogether, no use comparing it to the old tech stuff that the RTR and Pee run on.
                        Flame Flame,
                        you called a Pulsar a pee

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                        • OT OT

                          Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post
                          J Lo vs the rest in Moto GP, hmmm
                          Ofcourse JLo, don't think anyone would be interested in riding their 'machines' anymore.



                          Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post
                          Flame Flame,
                          you called a Pulsar a pee
                          Yea! It will pee in your face and blast off into the sunset with you struggling to keep up. ROFL.

                          Phlame! Phlame!

                          Ok I think this is enough OT for an "Ownership" thread!
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                          • Last OT--
                            J Lo In Motorcycling terms = Jorge Lorenzo(2010 Moto GP champ to be)

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                            • Originally posted by Praful View Post
                              Why so much hungama? .

                              Seems like we RTR guys cant see it loosing....

                              Originally posted by Praful View Post
                              But those are track conditions, real world conditions are far more different and 99% of us don't head to the tracks. The only scenario which is almost close to simulating the track in the real world is probably climbing twisties. Here it will all boil down to who's a better rider. .
                              +1

                              Originally posted by Praful View Post
                              I think we all also know magazines tend to favor certain manufacturers over the others at different time, its all a money game.
                              OT:

                              You reminded me the guy who goes by the name- Dilip Bam....
                              Last edited by rennycornelius; 08-04-2010, 11:45 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post

                                Seems like we RTR guys cant see it loosing....
                                +1.....
                                what if one bike is slower than the other?..what that matters is that we're enjoying every bit of riding on our respective steeds...
                                It all begins with a thumb-start -- Oh, wait, I forgot the kill-switch

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