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**Hyperion** · 08-03-2010, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

P220 DTSi has awesome top end, dude. It makes up most out of it in order to compensate it's iffy handling around the corners. Had it been P220 Fi then it would have been a different outcome.

Is a better top-end good enough to beat another bike that handles better and has equal (if not better) acceleration figures, on a race track? Unless the race track was just one large rectangle, its pretty much improbable.

**bprags** · 08-03-2010, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

This is a very lame excuse. And i hope they used the same rider in gauging timings.

RTR 180 produces 17.3 PS(not bhp) of power!!

The magazine as well as the RTR website says RTR180 makes 17.03 PS. So that means the 180 makes less than 17BHP.

**nox2505** · 08-03-2010, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by REVZ RACING View Post

hey guys...this thread is fast, hard to keep track!
completed 19xx km on odo with my Eleanor.

bike is running as follows:

1. both tires had pressure loss problems which vanished after 1k km.
2. used to face hiccup problems from 600-1k km, that too had gone on its own!.
3. still feel the right-handish-feeling. for this i got the steering set-up which help slightly. this compounded with skiddish nature of tires, leaves no space for confidence to throw the bike into corners!.
4. the front forks/suspension ducks with a 'thud' noise on potholes. yet to be rectified.
5. the bike makes you do circus when lashed with cross-winds!!!.
6. the headlight illumination for me is inadequate while riding on a rainy night. what headlamp bulb should i opt for?
7. the bike is returning an average of 48-50 kmpl under 60/40 (highway/city) riding conditions. best - 52 kmpl & worst - 46 kmpl. is the mechanical fuel cock/knob/tap reliable for calculating reserve-2ltrs-reserve sorta average calcualtions? the digital fuel gauge is giving me vague readings.

... well thats it. sorry i am unable to be active here cause of busy schedule & also my pc is down.

cheers....

Go for brim to brim method.

**rennycornelius** · 08-03-2010, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by bprags View Post

Actually the bikeindia guys could not stiffen the suspension of the RTR to their liking coz of lack of toolkit. Prolly with better tyres, the gap should be less than 2 seconds.

And it wouldnt helped shaving off any time from the overall figures, the suspension setting in RTR (rear) is more of a mind game rather than providing any actuall diff on the riding front.

The most gap being at 1st and 5th setting that's it, but if one thinks thst from 3rd to 4th or from 4th to 5th will help him to win honours.....Sorry boss!!!!

Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post

to adjust suspension in RTR one does need a special small tool that can do it and its provided by company in tool kit . but yes lame excuse

In RTR, Get hold of the spring and twist it, the setting will change, no tools, no cloth, no bullshit whatsoever.

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

Which means the TVS guys did send the bike w/o tools

Originally posted by REVZ RACING View Post

the bike is returning an average of 48-50 kmpl under 60/40 (highway/city) riding conditions. best - 52 kmpl & worst - 46 kmpl.

You win award for extracting the best worst figure!!!!
BTW what was your "worst" riding RPM??

Originally posted by Makky View Post

Present day:
It is surprising as well as annoying when someone says that RTR 180 is slower by 3 seconds when compared to P220 S!

Lot and i mean lot depends upon the rider and his weight, a 50 kg guy with balls of steel will stretch the gap to even 7-8 secs in 220 and RTR 180.

Still the 220 is the KING of straights and with bucket fulls of midrange, but a skilled rider will show it clean pairs of RTR LED's on the track.

Originally posted by Hyperion View Post

Is a better top-end good enough to beat another bike that handles better and has equal (if not better) acceleration figures, on a race track? Unless the race track was just one large rectangle, its pretty much improbable.

**Makky** · 08-03-2010, 05:28 PM

@Renny:
P220 can be a KING only on the salts of Bonneville and not in MMRT!
Pulsars' chasis dynamics can scare the shit out when pushed to limits. You have proof in Insidious or ELD.
Let me ask you something. If Pulsar is so fast on track, why not use it for 165cc four-stroke class?? Or why not start a new class in 250cc category? I do know that the class was stripped off long back when tuners played with ZMA and overshot the rules.

**chicane1879** · 08-03-2010, 05:39 PM

Guys, do not underestimate the new P220. The bike feels more agile as compared it to previous edition and delivers power like no other. RTR 180 delivers awesome performance considering it's displacement but still P220 can/will give the RTR sleepless nights when it comes to on-track performance.

Heck it will be close to R15 too!!

Just take those results with a pinch of salt.

**payeng** · 08-03-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

Guys, do not underestimate the new P220. The bike feels more agile as compared it to previous edition and delivers power like no other.

I agree, though not comparable to the R15 in terms of outright handling, a slightly stiffer suspension along with stickier rubbers have made the current P220 more lean friendly than the older "Fi" variant.

**chicane1879** · 08-03-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

I agree, though not comparable to the R15 in terms of outright handling, a slightly stiffer suspension along with stickier rubbers have made the current P220 more lean friendly than the older "Fi" variant.

In terms of outright handling, it(P220) cant be even compared with the 180's Braking/Cornering(Handling) Combo but still the engine is a monster in itself and makes up for the loss in handling finesse.

PS: Btw,Track is not the right place to judge the P220.

**payeng** · 08-03-2010, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

In terms of outright handling, it (P220) cant be even compared with the 180's (RTR's) Braking/Cornering(Handling) Combo but still the (P220) engine is a monster in itself and makes up for the loss in handling finesse.

I still haven't checked out the RTR 180.. but going by how the RTR 160 performs, I can expect it to be only better.

**shivank** · 08-03-2010, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by bprags View Post

The magazine as well as the RTR website says RTR180 makes 17.03 PS. So that means the 180 makes less than 17BHP.

1PS=0.986 BHP.So,17.3PS=17.0578 HP..

It still is above 17 bhp.

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

Guys, do not underestimate the new P220. The bike feels more agile as compared it to previous edition and delivers power like no other. RTR 180 delivers awesome performance considering it's displacement but still P220 can/will give the RTR sleepless nights when it comes to on-track performance.

Heck it will be close to R15 too!!

Just take those results with a pinch of salt.

+1...

But I have a doubt here.When both,the RTR180 and the P220 have identical pick-up.RTR has better brakes,it's faster to 400m drag and the best roll-on timings..(all as per BI).Then,Why was it left trailing behind P220 by over 3 sec ??(As per BI again)

Originally posted by payeng View Post

I still haven't checked out the RTR 180.. but going by how the RTR 160 performs, I can expect it to be only better.

Check it out fast!..

**abhijeet080808** · 08-03-2010, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by shivank View Post

1PS=0.986 BHP.So,17.3PS=17.0578 HP..

It still is above 17 bhp.

Its 17.03ps = 16.8bhp

+1...

But I have a doubt here.When both,the RTR180 and the P220 have identical pick-up.RTR has better brakes,it's faster to 400m drag and the best roll-on timings..(all as per BI).Then,Why was it left trailing behind P220 by over 3 sec ??(As per BI again)

Coz, P220 makes 21bhp.

**shivank** · 08-03-2010, 09:56 PM

@ Abhijeet

It's 17.3 PS and not 17.03!

Thanks for the info buddy.I thought P220 churned some 10-12 horses..

Anyway,I think you didn't get what I was trying to ask...

**shivank** · 08-03-2010, 10:06 PM

Oyeee! The official website says 17.03ps whereas as per the tv commercial it's 17.3PS??

**abhijeet080808** · 08-03-2010, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by shivank View Post

@ Abhijeet

It's 17.3 PS and not 17.03!

Thanks for the info buddy.I thought P220 churned some 10-12 horses..

Anyway,I think you didn't get what I was trying to ask...

Apache has lesser pickup compared to P220. The engine is rev happy though. P220 has more torque.

Edit - Its just a 16.8bhp machine yaar, and you still ask why the Apache lags behind!

**rennycornelius** · 08-03-2010, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Makky View Post

@Renny:
P220 can be a KING only on the salts of Bonneville and not in MMRT!
Pulsars' chasis dynamics can scare the shit out when pushed to limits. You have proof in Insidious or ELD.
Let me ask you something. If Pulsar is so fast on track, why not use it for 165cc four-stroke class?? Or why not start a new class in 250cc category? I do know that the class was stripped off long back when tuners played with ZMA and overshot the rules.

The pulsars are front heavy and overall requires much effort to dip into the corners as compared to the RTR or "the" R15, heck the pulsars do feel heavy when ridden also, that accounts for superb straight line ability but slight disadvantage around the corners.
Secondly while coming out of the lean in pulsar you tend to overshoot the "straight" position, and it throws you slightly on the other side.

But the guy familier to all this still can make her dance around the corners and will make up for all the lost time at the straights, but i agree not as effortlessly like the RTR (which is being compared here)

RTR accelerates off the line good, but when the 220 comes into it's meat of the band, it do flies.

But yes on a mountain road or a road full of twisties a 220 DTS-i guy will find it hard to fly past a guy driving RTR-FI.

PAYENG and PRAFULL, lets head to the twisties !!!!!!
(P.S these guys can beat the RTR on twisties

)

Originally posted by shivank View Post

But I have a doubt here.When both,the RTR180 and the P220 have identical pick-up.RTR has better brakes,it's faster to 400m drag and the best roll-on timings..(all as per BI).Then,Why was it left trailing behind P220 by over 3 sec?

BI should switch the riders (give the guy who was drivin the 220, RTR and vice versa) and the figures will come into RTR's side.
It was all cuz of the rider, and i have a quest, was the track wet?

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