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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion
The Non-Exhausts have better thrust and make the bike more rid-able compared to Cat Exhausts. My dad's CD 100 with a non cat feels more peppy and acceleration has a good amount of surge. Apollo tyres have been doing great for me. Haven't felt this level of confidence ever on this bike ever since I started using it. Yes, you can use a 90/90. 80/100 (tubeless) is basically a 2.75-18 tyre (tube). Similarly is 90/90 (tubeless) is the equivalent of 3.00-18 (tube).Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
This is true. Hero has been milking the horizontal engine for long and it's high time they stopped it. BS6 norms will require high compression and transition of such a small mill is not only expensive but also worthless (into Fi). They were better off with the new engine. It's long overdue. If horizontal engines were such a prize (hit, success) why would other companies not adopt them instead?Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion
[MENTION=61630]jeswin[/MENTION], first of all I have to say that the roads of TN are amazing bro. Did a couple of trips like coimbatore (via car), Trichy (on train) & pollachi via valparai (on my passion pro). Everywhere, the roads were just awesome. And what a coincidence! We also had a 2005 CT100 on which I learned to ride. I loved that bike to the core. Superlight, consistent 75+ mileage, sprightly pick up. Then my father sold it and bought a CD Dawn. I never really liked the CD Dawn citing that it was heavy and way less efficient than the CT100. Then we bought the Passion Pro, but I still didn't like it as it was even heavier than the CD Dawn. Then I started using the passion pro for daily college runs and its then when I truly understood the value of these Hero Hondas. The highway performance, rugged chassis & brilliant ride quality made me admire these machines. My Passion pro is nearing 1lac 10k km. Very less running these days. Sadly, the future of my bike is uncertain. I am not satisfied with the bore replacement job done by Hero ASC. The plastic panels are in a bad condition. It needs a complete restoration. Moreover, the lack of low end torque is taking a toll on me in the ever increasing kerala traffic. I may trade it and upgrade to a more torquey 125cc may be. The Suzuki Access and old HH Glamour impressed me alot on this aspect.
[MENTION=95957]Bismaya[/MENTION], bro if you change the exhaust to the old one, do share if there is any difference in performance /pickup. And how are the Appollo tyres faring in wet condition? Also is it possible to upsize to a 90/90-18 (passion Xpro) size tyre at the rear?
Read somewhere that Hero has stopped the production of 100cc splendor, passion and CD deluxe as part of Bs6 transition. So is this the end of the road for the 100cc supercub engine? Still this 100cc engine accounts for over 70% of Hero's total sales. It's highly unlikely that this 1980's engine would be comprehensively upgraded. A real tough time for HMC, the revelation about Bs6 splendor (not ismart) will come in Jan/Feb.
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That’s true. The bike is a 2010 purchased CD Deluxe and was standing still for almost an year until I took it early this year.Originally posted by Bismaya View PostTyres in stand-in condition tend to get hard as well and then they start becoming wobbly on tarmac. How old are those tyres and how much have they run?
I have no idea about history of the bike and prior maintenance, got it from a relative in as-is condition. So don’t know how old the tyres are too. Have been using it on and off for local shopping runs for last 10 months just to keep it running. Even odo is conked, so no idea about real KMs the bike has done.
Only did oil change, chain cleaning and tightening so far.
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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion
Tyres in stand-in condition tend to get hard as well and then they start becoming wobbly on tarmac. How old are those tyres and how much have they run?Originally posted by yieldway17 View Postlol. I have been not using the bike much and it’s not mine as well. So was not spending much on it. But the tyre has been bothering me.
I will check out the Actizip. Thanks for the suggestion.
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lol. I have been not using the bike much and it’s not mine as well. So was not spending much on it. But the tyre has been bothering me.Originally posted by Bismaya View PostWhy change it now? It can last good for two more generations. Even your grand kids can use it.
Jokes apart, change them. Don't fit rib tyres at all. It's 2020 almost. I would suggest getting the Apollo Actizip F2 (yes over Ceat or MRF). It is soft compound and grips really well (I've literally used permutations of all the most popular tyres around before jumping to this choice; Apollo).[
I will check out the Actizip. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Why change it now? It can last good for two more generations. Even your grand kids can use it.Originally posted by yieldway17 View PostAm I right in thinking it’s time to replace this tyre on a CD Deluxe? Or it can still go on? Not really good in judging tyre tread depth.
There is uneven wear with more wear in the middle likely due to over inflation over the years (not in my use).
Please suggest some good tyres with grip and traction being the priority if need to be replaced.
Jokes apart, change them. Don't fit rib tyres at all. It's 2020 almost. I would suggest getting the Apollo Actizip F2 (yes over Ceat or MRF). It is soft compound and grips really well (I've literally used permutations of all the most popular tyres around before jumping to this choice; Apollo).[
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Am I right in thinking it’s time to replace this tyre on a CD Deluxe? Or it can still go on? Not really good in judging tyre tread depth.
There is uneven wear with more wear in the middle likely due to over inflation over the years (not in my use).
Please suggest some good tyres with grip and traction being the priority if need to be replaced.

Last edited by yieldway17; 12-21-2019, 04:59 AM.
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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion
Had some major work done with my Splendor Pro recently:
Fork Overhaul, new oil seals and oil change
Racer/Cone Set change
New HT Coil, Electric Start Button and Battery
New tyres (Apollo)
Exhaust is badly choked and the bike struggles after 50 and loses steam. Thinking of getting a pre y2k exhaust and fit it instead. Also have plans on changing rear shocks as well. Bike has clocked 70,524kms as of now.
Some issues:
Alloys have started wearing on the insides. The front alloy brake liner is wearing as a result the front brake doesn't engage at times (new shoes) and the rear wheel bearing have the same wearing out issues as well.
Using the bike for office commutes of about 40km every day.
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I definitely agree with the running in point which you had mentioned. My passion pro became very smooth after running for more than 30,000 kms. Now it has clocked more than 94,000 kms. The engine is untouched. Just the regular oil changes, chain adjustment, water wash and lubing the necessary parts. Carburettor was cleaned some 5 years back. Delivering 72 kmpl till date. Had done multiple road trips varying from 350 to 700 kms continuously, be it in scorching heat, freezing cold, day or night, windy or rainy this bike just goes on. In all these years, the one and only problem it gave in the middle of the trip was a puncture. That's it!Originally posted by MotoMan View PostWell that is the reality today. Almost no Automobile Media agency is interested or ready to review splendor.
Even though the splendor and activa are the highest selling two wheelers in india, bashing them as ' old products ' has become a trend. Most people like roasting the splendor for using the same old 97.2 cc engine.
Media houses are busy praising the TVS Radeon which looks like a 80% copy of Splendor.
We know the fact that this engine takes about 20k km for proper running in and after that it is much better than the 110 cc engines from Bajaj and TVS.
But the media people dont know this and they straight away tell that the bike is vibey and feels stresssed post 60 kmph.
I had the new 3 valve TVS victor 110 with me for a month. It was supposed to be the best 110 cc bike out there but I was really missing my passion pro every time i rode the Victor.
The Victor was loaded with features but it lacked the top end rush, refinement, slick-click gearbox and the ruggedness of my passion.
Same case with the Activa. I was a fan of TVS wego and kind of hated activa. But my attitude towards the activa changed drastically over the years.
No matter how bad you abuse it, it will still run. Every part of it is built to last long.
Meanwhile the wego of my friend even though very fun to ride, developed very serious problems like kick starter going numb, failing of switch gear, speedo cable breaking every now and then, engine heating and refusing to start after running continuosly for 60 km and finally the crank shaft broke which led my friend to trade it for a small amount.
Still the so called 'auto gurus' are bashing the activa for lack of telescopic suspension but never highlighting the fact that how tough a product it is.
People say that Herd Mentality of Indian's is the reason for the sky high sales of splendor, activa, alto, etc. But for my father, a scooter is an activa and a bike is either a cd100/ splendor/ Kawasaki 4S Champion. According to him no other product is comparable to these.
Here in kerala, there is still good demand for pre-y2k/y2k splendors. The resale value of these is higher than my 2010 passion.
So yeah lets enjoy while we have it.
We also own a 2005 model bajaj CT 100. It is also good to ride, smooth, accelerates fast, gives very good mileage of 75+ kmpl, but you'll never get that rugged and tight feel, smooth gear shifts and that air-releasing 'chuck chuck' sound from the rear suspension when riding through bumps when we ride a splendor/passion.
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Its Fuel injection we are talking about. Air fuel ratio on a carb bike is preset or STATIC. This limits efficiency to a great extent. Whereas A/F ratio in FI engine is DYNAMIC, always changing and adapting to the situation. An optimum A/F ratio is always maintained which ensures both efficiency & longetivity of the engine. Eg: old glamour FI gives ~75-80kpl whereas carb glamour gives max 60kpl. The difference in FE is huge but it doesn't mean FI glamour has low engine life.Originally posted by Bismaya View PostAn engine which is tuned for such mileage figure won't have good longevity.
The current mileage centric platinas & Ct100's last really long. A maharashtrian farmer has travelled pan India covering 2lac 87k km on a platina ES 100. The bike still runs on stock internals including clutch & still returns 70kpl ! Only thing he did for the bike is to religiously carryout periodic maintenance. A good quality closed loop FI system will work wonders on a platina.
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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion
An engine which is tuned for such mileage figure won't have good longevity.Originally posted by MotoMan View PostCant argue on that. I am yet to see a yamaha with quality issues. Only manufacturer from which we can buy the first bike from the first batch without any worries.
The bs6 splendor ismart will hopefully prompt bajaj and honda to bring FI tech in their 110 cc's. A platina FI with 120 kpl may be.
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Cant argue on that. I am yet to see a yamaha with quality issues. Only manufacturer from which we can buy the first bike from the first batch without any worries.Originally posted by Bismaya View PostArey Baba, Yamaha actually knows how to make good bikes.
The bs6 splendor ismart will hopefully prompt bajaj and honda to bring FI tech in their 110 cc's. A platina FI with 120 kpl may be.
SAI is ABSENT ON ALL LATEST 100 cc hero bikes. Next time you see a latest splendor or passion take a closer look. It is still present on their 110cc and 125cc bikes. Not only hero but every other company is using SAI in their BS4 models.You can find it in the latest pulsar 220 too.Last edited by MotoMan; 11-12-2019, 09:47 AM.
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Arey Baba, Yamaha actually knows how to make good bikes. Hero doesn't. My friend's 2009 FZ-S lasted 1.06L KMS on ODO before he sold it. Only the clutch plates were changed twice and steel plates once.Originally posted by MotoMan View PostIn contrast the competition was striving to reduce weight. A yamaha saluto 110 weighs just 100 kg! Now their R&D growth is reflected in the new bikes.
There's nothing new about it. Other manufacturers have been giving that frame since long. Yes, they did some work on the engine but it was necessary evil.The Bs6 splendor ismart is kind of a revolution. Its a totally new bike. New engine & frame. Only the looks are shared with the old one. First bike under 125cc to get fuel injection. It gives 86 kpl as per a mileage test video on YouTube. The bike tested is brand new. It's able to give such good FE even before first service! Hero has given some serious goals for honda and bajaj.
SAI is basically a way of cheating in Pollution Tests. Not sure which bike you saw, but almost all BS4 Engines I've seen have SAI, even the 110cc motors.The SAI system is absent on all Bs4 bikes. I didn't see it on any of the new bikes. Its good as SAI sucks a bit of engine power. And one less thing to worry about.
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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion
Hero is the only auto maker which successfully made their light bikes crazy heavier ( may be due to lack of R&D at the time of separation). Initial dig-meter passion pro was 121kg, the glamour was 129kg. In contrast the competition was striving to reduce weight. A yamaha saluto 110 weighs just 100 kg! Now their R&D growth is reflected in the new bikes.
The Bs6 splendor ismart is kind of a revolution. Its a totally new bike. New engine & frame. Only the looks are shared with the old one. First bike under 125cc to get fuel injection. It gives 86 kpl as per a mileage test video on YouTube. The bike tested is brand new. It's able to give such good FE even before first service! Hero has given some serious goals for honda and bajaj.
The SAI system is absent on all Bs4 bikes. I didn't see it on any of the new bikes. Its good as SAI sucks a bit of engine power. And one less thing to worry about. Hero wanted to get rid of the 100cc honda engine by 2018. But most customers still look if the engine is horizontal or not! That's how trusty the cub engine is in people's mind. Still most people just want a normal 100cc splendor. The sales advisors mostly have a tough time in convincing them to buy the newer ones. This engine still accounts for more than 70% of their sales. Only time will tell if they will upgrade it to Bs6 or not.
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