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**remortr** · 12-17-2009, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by nox2505 View Post

What about piston rings?

I changed the piston rings to new one still it leting out a black smoke

**outworldly maniac** · 12-17-2009, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by TorQ View Post

Hi All,
MY FI has come back from 4th service. 3 days back. nothing great about the service. But today morning i noticed the front mud gaurd is giving up paint. flakes have started peel off. what should i do ven i go to service center. please suggest.

Another problem is my meter goes blank sometimes. Fuel indicators always shows wrong reading. ven brought to the notice of service center they just give the bike back saying there was loose contact on electricals. but i have noticed problem again. what should i say to them ven i go this weekend.

if they give option to repaint the mud gaurd should i ask for replacement or paint is fine.

Also meter going blank how should i tell them as the problem is not very frequent. i mean in a week may b for 2 or 3 times. please suggest. thanks.

change the speedo
mud guard no idea

**outworldly maniac** · 12-17-2009, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by remortr View Post

I changed the piston rings to new one still it leting out a black smoke

1. Did you get our silencer , head and cylinder de-carbonized ? .
2. May be you are running wayyy too rich( improper carb tuning or jetting) or more amount of oil which could also be the reason
3. Spark plug with wrong rating , which may lead to reasons letting out black smoke .

This all considering your work has been done properly.
If oil seals etc are not put properly then

I am no expert here , just trying to reason thats it . Experts please rectify if i am wrong .

Hope it helps

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**remortr** · 12-17-2009, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post

1. Did you get our silencer , head and cylinder de-carbonized ? .
2. May be you are running wayyy too rich( improper carb tuning or jetting) or more amount of oil which could also be the reason
3. Spark plug with wrong rating , which may lead to reasons letting out black smoke .

This all considering your work has been done properly.
If oil seals etc are not put properly then

I am no expert here , just trying to reason thats it . Experts please rectify if i am wrong .

Hope it helps

.

thanks dude i de-carbonized the head and cylinder but not the silencer

and i replaced the spark plug now my spark plug is covered with carbon(totaly black in colour)and oil smell remains

**rennycornelius** · 12-17-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post

1. Did you get our silencer , head and cylinder de-carbonized ? .
2. May be you are running wayyy too rich( improper carb tuning or jetting) or more amount of oil which could also be the reason
3. Spark plug with wrong rating , which may lead to reasons letting out black smoke .

This all considering your work has been done properly.
If oil seals etc are not put properly then

I am no expert here , just trying to reason thats it . Experts please rectify if i am wrong .

Hope it helps

.

little edit:

4 strokes silencer never needs decarbonizing, infact there is no such amount of deposits in it that needs cleaning of any sorts, but with time it corrdes and the metals inside drops as rust particles and then the silencer is changed not decarbonized.....

spark plug of wrong rating will never result in black smoke, it'll result in drop in power, missing, drop in avg etc.

the point in bold needs a serious checking though.

**outworldly maniac** · 12-17-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post

little edit:

4 strokes silencer never needs decarbonizing, infact there is no such amount of deposits in it that needs cleaning of any sorts, but with time it corrdes and the metals inside drops as rust particles and then the silencer is changed not decarbonized.....

spark plug of wrong rating will never result in black smoke, it'll result in drop in power, missing, drop in avg etc.

the point in bold needs a serious checking though.

hi renny , thanks for pointing out the mistake about the silencer

, Though improper plug can result in a black smoke . let me try and explain

I dont remember properly , but a plug with a cooler rating can result in incomplete combustion which would lead to carbon formation know as black soot or can be carbon monoxide ( CO ) rather than carbon dioxide . The reason which would lead to drop in performance , avg etc is again because of incomplete combustion . Complete charge is not burnt or burnt in a wrong way which leads to some petrol ( air + fuel = charge ) wasted hence a drop in performance and considerably more charge needed to reach the same rpm . Hence the main reason for most problems while using wrong spark plug may be either incomplete combustion which may occur . I dont remember which plug does this exactly , cold or hot . But my sense says its the cooler one . PS : sorry guys if typed anything wrong , just trying to learn and clarify things

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**rennycornelius** · 12-17-2009, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post

hi renny , thanks for pointing out the mistake about the silencer

, Though improper plug can result in a black smoke . let me try and explain

I dont remember properly , but a plug with a cooler rating can result in incomplete combustion which would lead to carbon formation know as black soot or can be carbon monoxide ( CO ) rather than carbon dioxide . The reason which would lead to drop in performance , avg etc is again because of incomplete combustion . Complete charge is not burnt or burnt in a wrong way which leads to some petrol ( air + fuel = charge ) wasted hence a drop in performance and considerably more charge needed to reach the same rpm . Hence the main reason for most problems while using wrong spark plug may be either incomplete combustion which may occur . I dont remember which plug does this exactly , cold or hot . But my sense says its the cooler one . PS : sorry guys if typed anything wrong , just trying to learn and clarify things

.

this detailed explainations clears everything....

yes,improper rated plug will result in visible smoke.

**nox2505** · 12-17-2009, 03:08 PM

RTR punch back! throught the rev.

Today, cleaned the air filter alongwith airbox and reinstalled the cartridges without applying oil on it. Retuned the carb, and voila! issue is solved

. Now, the RTR revs freely with an eye shut(May be Both

).

**shreeda** · 12-17-2009, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by kauria View Post

SERVICE MANUAL

APACHE RTR 160
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B-JsUb9IImh5ZDhhMDI2NjgtMzNjNy00OGEyLWFmYWUtZGVjZDE0 MDhlZjgx&hl=en

APACHE RTR 180
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B-JsUb9IImh5YmQyM2M3Y2MtNTE2Yi00ZDA5LWExMDQtMmUzMWQ3 YTQ0NGFh&hl=en

Thanks for the pdf kauria. I have a doubt though. Saw something like "Usage of IFTEX for petrol(2ml/ltr)" Customer Installation section, what is it ??

PS: I skipped all those technical pages, hence this is the only doubt I have

**kauria** · 12-18-2009, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by shreeda View Post

Thanks for the pdf kauria. I have a doubt though. Saw something like "Usage of IFTEX for petrol(2ml/ltr)" Customer Installation section, what is it ??

PS: I skipped all those technical pages, hence this is the only doubt I have

**HydBiker** · 12-18-2009, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by kauria View Post

Not sure about all those claims but I sure know that IFTEX works. It works better than premium petrol at lower cost.

**rennycornelius** · 12-18-2009, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by nox2505 View Post

Today, cleaned the air filter alongwith airbox and reinstalled the cartridges without applying oil on it. Retuned the carb, and voila! issue is solved

. Now, the RTR revs freely with an eye shut(May be Both

).

avoid applying oil to the air filter always....
in fact i never apply it, cuz it may be blocking the dust particles but it also cuts the flow of the air, i also wash my airfilter with soap solution and i after drying it in sun completely, re-fit it.

**rocker** · 12-18-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by kauria View Post

Buddy when I was using Iftex I got nearly 54-55 Kmpl and without it I am at 46-47 kmpl on my RTR. I think it works.

**HydBiker** · 12-18-2009, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by rocker View Post

Buddy when I was using Iftex I got nearly 54-55 Kmpl and without it I am at 46-47 kmpl on my RTR. I think it works.

Any betterment in mileage would be limited to around 2 to 5% max and that I have never noticed. What I got with IFTEX is less knocking and slightly cleaner pull.

**rennycornelius** · 12-18-2009, 07:29 PM

handle bar issues

off late i noticed that my FI's handle bar is getting little tight when pulled to the left side, i thought may be the wire was getting along in the path so i re-routed it, but still it was the same, this os also not cuz of the rusting cuz it never happened after the full monsoon, and i dont want to disturb the already good set handle bar (as it was before).

anyone experiencing the same?

one thing more that it's been almost a year and the handle bar didn't showed the sign that's it's loose (it's strange to me cuz, it never happened in my FIERO or KB100)

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