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  • Originally posted by suren View Post
    AUTOSPORT.com - PLUS Features - Simoncelli making his mark in MotoGP

    Soup :: 34x34: Sometimes, Le Mans Hands You Lemons :: 05-17-2011

    The incident is just being blown out of proportion. Simoncelli is hard, If you can battle harder fight or move out.

    Lorenzo Rossi Japan could have washed out someone will this talk of hard riding be this loud then ? everybody called it pure racing except for the lolly pop kid.

    What if Jorge had take out Dovi at Lemans ?

    Its just a racing incident and Simon was right. Dani P should have backed off or he was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
    What?Back-off? These guys earn their living from racing so how could you expect the top of the racer to back-off?
    Anyone would back-off but the trouble is at this level you don't expect someone to pull dangerous maneuvers like this.If you call it a racing incident,no problems at all.But,racing incidents like this do not happen everyday.Everyone makes mistakes but this Sic(k) kid has been repeating it over and over again.I am not against Sic or anyone but if you might have read other people's opinion on this,the ride through was given to teach the young blood a lesson on how to behave on track.

    If Lorenzo had taken Dovi down.If Pedrosa didn't crash.If Ifs and Ands were pots and pans.No point disussing now..Nobody would have made issues had Sic pulled off cleanly from Dani.

    Aggressive racing is sure pleasing to watch but not at the cost of anyone's life or collar-bone..

    Originally posted by The Monk View Post
    all the italian riders right now in moto gp are the crazy types whether it is simo or rossi in moto gp or iannone in moto 2. Iannone came from 17th position to take the win in estoril. he even has crazy written on his leathers. the only exception is dovi who is the gentlemen racer. the spanish ride fast but never crazy. that is why it gets rather boring to see to spaniards battling it out for any position.
    i am hoping ducati manages to get some juice flowing through their bike, till now they have been the biggest disappointment in 2011.

    Edit: Any idea which are the teams that have applied for the new litre class of 2012??
    Yes,Italians are crazy!!

    Spaniards-After so many crashes,fractures and his fragile structure,you cannot blame Pedrosa for being mild.Commendable that he's still racing and competing for the title..

    I am not a Lorenzo fan but that boy can really do some crazy stuff if let loose..
    Last edited by shivank; 05-19-2011, 11:10 PM.
    If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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    • Originally posted by shivank View Post
      What?Back-off? These guys earn their living from racing so how could you expect the top of the racer to back-off?
      Anyone would back-off but the trouble is at this level you don't expect
      Oh yes they earn a living right !

      Oh k back to topic.. Back off does nt give up and go to your pits. It means leave it at that corner and then catch up later and it was nt the last lap to bin it. There was about 4 laps left at that point.

      Want to know more on how to attack at the right moment ? Try to watch Race 2 Monza 2011 pass by Laverty on melandri...
      Or even check Dovi s pass in Le mans...
      Or Moto2 Marquez s race

      According to you if you think you are earning a living and you should not back off no one ll finish races.

      And read that article on Autosport.It shows why it happened.. Dani was doin what he does best( carrying drive off the straight ) and Simon his strength on brakes and cornering hard.
      BAYLISSTIC !!!!

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      • Soup :: 34x34: Sometimes, Le Mans Hands You Lemons :: 05-17-2011

        Originally posted by Kevin Schwantz
        I don't think you should put yourself in a position with your motorcycle that maybe you know what's coming, and you've seen it happen before, but, "I'm going to do this and hope that this guy that I'm racing with thinks better of it. Maybe sees me here and decides not to do it." That's kind of what I think Dani did. Dani had seen how quick Simoncelli had caught him in the two or three laps leading up to that pass. He'd seen his lap board go from +2 to +0. He saw him come by him on the brakes as he went into the corner before the incident. And then, Dani being smaller, both Hondas being probably somewhat equal, the smaller guy's going to accelerate down that straightaway faster. But knowing how strong Simoncelli was at that point in the race, I don't think I would've put myself in that position, to hope that "I'm going to go up the inside. I know I'm probably going to get outbraked. He might get about halfway around me, and when he gets halfway around me, if he decides to go ahead and take the corner, I'm going to be in trouble." Because there is no recovery from that.

        At that point, Dani's options are, "I've screwed up. Do I really want to take Marco out? If I do, I've got to get back on the gas, and I've just got to sacrifice us both." Instead, Dani did what was right, and didn't do that ... stayed off the gas, ended up falling and has now got a broken collarbone. But my thought process ... and I read somewhere a quote that Valentino said that Marco's maybe taken this a little bit too far, and that was too physical a move. Well, he said he thought Marco should've followed Dani. I say Marco just passed Dani, and I think Dani should follow Marco. I don't like to see motorcycles coming together and guys falling down, because nine times out of ten it's a no-win situation for both guys. Fortunately for Marco, there was enough run-off on the outside of the track in that corner, and he was able to run to the outside of the pavement, over through the gravel, and get back on the track. Obviously, the officiating crew there with the FIM decided that maybe that deserved a penalty. The move, the contact, whatever it might've been, and that's what Marco got. I'm not sure that that was the right call, but that's the call that I guess we all have to live with. I texted Marco a couple of times. He said he didn't think he deserved it, much like I told him I didn't think he deserved it. But he said, "Lorenzo is World Champ right now. He's been making a lot of stink about my riding. I guess they listen to his voice a little bit more than they listen to mine," is the way Marco put it.

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        • Originally posted by suren View Post
          Oh yes they earn a living right !

          Oh k back to topic.. Back off does nt give up and go to your pits. It means leave it at that corner and then catch up later and it was nt the last lap to bin it. There was about 4 laps left at that point.

          Want to know more on how to attack at the right moment ? Try to watch Race 2 Monza 2011 pass by Laverty on melandri...
          Or even check Dovi s pass in Le mans...
          Or Moto2 Marquez s race

          According to you if you think you are earning a living and you should not back off no one ll finish races.

          And read that article on Autosport.It shows why it happened.. Dani was doin what he does best( carrying drive off the straight ) and Simon his strength on brakes and cornering hard.
          Hell yes,you are right! But all the points you have mentioned above apply more to Sic than Dani..He should have waited for the right moment as he was much-much faster than Dani.I hope you read this part too in the article..

          Also,you took the earning part a bit seriously.If one racer has a better line and is ahead,I cannot for the life of me understand why should he back-off..
          If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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          • Originally posted by shivank View Post
            racing incidents like this do not happen everyday.Everyone makes mistakes but this Sic(k) kid has been repeating it over and over again.
            repeating what over n over?

            Look at Lorenzo's attempted overtake at Valencia last year...
            he was in the wrong... and HE hit Marco... and almost crashed.
            he saves it... and then shakes his head like it was Marco's fault.

            then 6 months later decides to bring up the topic again. what the???


            Originally posted by shivank View Post
            I am not against Sic or anyone but if you might have read other people's opinion on this,the ride through was given to teach the young blood a lesson on how to behave on track.
            i've watched the overtake over n over...
            and i'm convinced Marco's move was "aggressive" at the most.

            nothing more.

            (maybe Dani was already off the brakes and had decided to run Marco wide. )


            Originally posted by shivank View Post
            If Lorenzo had taken Dovi down.If Pedrosa didn't crash.If Ifs and Ands were pots and pans.No point disussing now..
            Ride thru penalties should only be given for false starts/overtaking under the yellow flag and the like.

            Originally posted by shivank View Post
            Nobody would have made issues had Sic pulled off cleanly from Dani.
            Marco Simoncelli would have been worshiped if he pulled off the pass.
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            • Originally posted by shivank View Post
              Hell yes,you are right! But all the points you have mentioned above apply more to Sic than Dani..He should have waited for the right moment as he was much-much faster than Dani.I hope you read this part too in the article..

              Also,you took the earning part a bit seriously.If one racer has a better line and is ahead,I cannot for the life of me understand why should he back-off..
              Good now that you ve read the article ! watch the races i had mentioned.
              And line ? Pedro had a better line ? inside line does nt mean its always the best. And pls see that tape again ! MArco was ahead from the outside.

              And read the quote by kevin posted by sheel.

              If you fix someone to be bad in your mind its hard to accept anything he does.

              And for about outside line passes Have you seen Lorenzo s passes on the 250s ? He calls it pur feura or something ! He s famous for that and it would look exactly like what simon did.
              BAYLISSTIC !!!!

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              • Originally posted by suren View Post
                Good now that you ve read the article ! watch the races i had mentioned.
                And line ? Pedro had a better line ? inside line does nt mean its always the best. And pls see that tape again ! MArco was ahead from the outside.

                And read the quote by kevin posted by sheel.

                If you fix someone to be bad in your mind its hard to accept anything he does.

                And for about outside line passes Have you seen Lorenzo s passes on the 250s ? He calls it pur feura or something ! He s famous for that and it would look exactly like what simon did.
                Yes,I have made bad image of the incident between the two riders! The reason which made me conclude that are some of the tweets from experts.Think what you may of it,I have no problems at all.But,rather than believing your words,I would choose experts' comments over it..Apologies,if you felt bad..

                Here are some of the tweets showing why I have a particular 'bad' fixation towards Sic..

                @motomatters
                David Emmett
                @goharfayyaz That crash was Simoncelli's fault, shouldn't have made that pass. Can't just slow down every time he comes near.

                @motomatters
                David Emmett
                Not saying I agree with the ride-through, saying I agree that SIC made a stupid and dangerous move.
                @motomatters
                David Emmett
                @kinaay Completely disagree. If Pedrosa holds his line, he crashes and takes SIC out with him in his fall. Trying to avoid crash cost him.


                @motomatters
                David Emmett
                Just got off the phone with @KennyNoyes. Said SIC move was unnecessary. Never left PED anywhere to go. Could have passed next corner.
                @birtymotogp
                Matthew Birt
                Rossi is Simoncelli's big mate and even he found it hard to defend Marco today. He said current scrutiny on Sic certainly didn't help


                @motomatters
                David Emmett
                @chuyoskorov @DennisNoyes Not a racing incident. If SIC leaves space for PED, that's OK, he didn't he shut the door, crash inevitable.
                About the outside passes of Lorenzo you are talking about.I never had the opportunity to watch Lorenzo in the Moto2 class but I am sure he didn't 'shut-the-door' for other rider..Anyway here's one more for you (outside line)

                @motomatters
                David Emmett
                @ahmedrazmi @noorenzo Difference is if you pass round the outside, you HAVE to do it safely, as no options for man on inside.


                @birtymotogp
                Matthew Birt
                A rider view. Colin Edwards said Simoncelli was definitely in the wrong. Nobody chops you're front end off at this level, he said
                If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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                • repeating what over n over?

                  Look at Lorenzo's attempted overtake at Valencia last year...
                  he was in the wrong... and HE hit Marco... and almost crashed.
                  he saves it... and then shakes his head like it was Marco's fault.

                  then 6 months later decides to bring up the topic again. what the???
                  I was going by the history.Not only Lorenzo other riders have complained as well.Anyway,Valencia,last year,you cannot say who was at fault unless one rider falls off the bike..

                  i've watched the overtake over n over...
                  and i'm convinced Marco's move was "aggressive" at the most.

                  nothing more.

                  (maybe Dani was already off the brakes and had decided to run Marco wide. )
                  A few of the quotes from experts above would help..It was aggressive as well as dangerous!



                  Ride thru penalties should only be given for false starts/overtaking under the yellow flag and the like.
                  Yes,part of the ride through decision was because of the fuss going about Sic before.But thats good,he will be cautious next time through..



                  Marco Simoncelli would have been worshiped if he pulled off the pass.
                  Simoncelli has already made an impact.Next two years will definitely see him along with big boys and big bikes..
                  If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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                  • Originally posted by shivank View Post
                    A few of the quotes from experts above would help..It was aggressive as well as dangerous!
                    expert opinion... the funny thing about it is...
                    they termed the move as "dangerous" ONLY coz it resulted in a crash.

                    if it resulted in a clean pass... they would have been

                    Originally posted by shivank View Post
                    he will be cautious next time through.
                    Simoncelli is shameless. (he still holds firm to his claim of not having done anything wrong)


                    at the start of the LeMans race... Rossi said...

                    "there's been so much racing/fighting appening off the track/at the press conference,
                    it'll be good if the "fight" appen in the race... on the track"

                    i guess Marco took his advice.

                    P.S: i'm waiting to watch Sic take the fight to Stoner (soon).
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                    • Originally posted by xionite View Post
                      P.S: i'm waiting to watch Sic take the fight to Stoner (soon).
                      He is a true Italian with racing blood in him, if there is an opportunity he will take it, he wont think twice. It will be nice to see Sic vs Sto, I am sure Sic will rub in some salt into Stoner, but sic has got to start delivering now.

                      PS:- I firmly believe MotoGP needs such riders or else it gets very boring.

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                      • Originally posted by bprags View Post
                        He is a true Italian with racing blood in him, if there is an opportunity he will take it, he wont think twice. It will be nice to see Sic vs Sto, I am sure Sic will rub in some salt into Stoner, but sic has got to start delivering now.

                        PS:- I firmly believe MotoGP needs such riders or else it gets very boring.
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                        • I wish it was Lorenzo instead of Dani...
                          And yea, Why did stoner and Lorenzo file a complain even before SIC took out anyone??? Did they dream of this day??


                          The the fun fact is, Sic already passed Dani before dani crashed, and it was Dani who hit sic.... Now who should be penalised???
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                          • Originally posted by Braumabull View Post
                            I wish it was Lorenzo instead of Dani...
                            And yea, Why did stoner and Lorenzo file a complain even before SIC took out anyone??? Did they dream of this day??


                            The the fun fact is, Sic already passed Dani before dani crashed, and it was Dani who hit sic.... Now who should be penalised???
                            Yes,yes very true there.Whosoever hits from behind should be penalized irrespective of the reasons behind the hit.

                            Why don't you join the Race Direction Committee? Your insightful observations and ideas would really be helpful for the sport.

                            Here's the vid of the crash..Cut to 0:08 to 0:11.Thats where the on-board cam does its job..

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                            Last edited by shivank; 05-20-2011, 11:16 AM.
                            If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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                            • Would have join Race Direction committee, if u were my career consultant, no proper guidance, u see


                              @shivank
                              Dude,
                              sete rossi - Jerez 2005
                              Rossi - Lorenzo Motegi 2010
                              Rossi - Stoner Laguna seca 2008
                              Biaggi - Rossi- (Dunno the race, but the elbow incident)
                              Similar situation, Dani Cudnt hold On,

                              Let me Rephrase it, the above thing was just the fun.(guess those grin doesnt make sense)

                              And I think everyone's targetting Marco, which can be termed as an aggressive move.
                              Last edited by Braumabull; 05-20-2011, 12:00 PM.
                              Ernest Hemingway

                              #69 #58

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                              • Originally posted by Braumabull View Post
                                Would have join Race Direction committee, if u were my career consultant, no proper guidance, u see
                                Chill dude..
                                If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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