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  • @niranjanvaidya: Rossi is not running out of reasons. He's clearly saying that whatever they are doing is not working for them and I believe currently he is most disappointed than ever. He isn't giving any excuses and we have no reason to believe so. Do you have any reason to believe that Rossi didn't put enough efforts into race yesterday, like Nicky did? But something was definitely working out better for Nicky. For Rossi, it's not just the ducati, he has big burden of expectations more than any other rider out there. Things become more irritating in this situation. For now, it seems even Rossi isn't sure of what will work for him in ducati.

    Regarding peddosa, i think he rode a brilliant race. When you are racing against equal or more talented riders, it's ok to make mistakes as there are lots of nerves involved. But he did good to stick it there.

    Will never give up on 46
    Last edited by Satellite.kid; 04-09-2012, 09:52 PM.
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    • Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
      @niranjanvaidya: Rossi is not running out of reasons. He's clearly saying that whatever they are doing is not working for them and I believe currently he is most disappointed than ever. He isn't giving any excuses and we have no reason to believe so. Do you have any reason to believe that Rossi didn't put enough efforts into race yesterday, like Nicky did? But something was definitely working out better for Nicky. For Rossi, it's not just the ducati, he has big burden of expectations more than any other rider out there. Things become more irritating in this situation. For now, it seems even Rossi isn't sure of what will work for him in ducati.

      Regarding peddosa, i think he rode a brilliant race. When you are racing against equal or more talented riders, it's ok to make mistakes as there are lots of nerves involved. But he did good to stick it there.

      Will never give up on 46
      As I see it, Rossi is plagued by various issues. I haven't ever said that Rossi is a lesser rider; just that every rider has a reason for a performance that did not meet their own expectations. As I said in my earlier post, Lorenzo and Stoner are the only riders to have beaten Rossi on a level ground. Give them respect too!

      Regarding Pedrosa, he had the speed yesterday but lacked strategy. As mere spectators, you, me and my other mates here cannot really say whether he should have/could have made a move on Lorenzo earlier. But all said and done, when it comes to aggression, Stoner, Lorenzo and Rossi are the only ones to push beyond 200% even if they sniff a win.

      Your statement of never giving up on 46 shows your affinity...your post above is understandable.
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      • Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
        @niranjanvaidya: Rossi is not running out of reasons. He's clearly saying that whatever they are doing is not working for them and I believe currently he is most disappointed than ever. He isn't giving any excuses and we have no reason to believe so. Do you have any reason to believe that Rossi didn't put enough efforts into race yesterday, like Nicky did? But something was definitely working out better for Nicky. For Rossi, it's not just the ducati, he has big burden of expectations more than any other rider out there. Things become more irritating in this situation. For now, it seems even Rossi isn't sure of what will work for him in ducati.

        Regarding peddosa, i think he rode a brilliant race. When you are racing against equal or more talented riders, it's ok to make mistakes as there are lots of nerves involved. But he did good to stick it there.

        Will never give up on 46

        +46

        (Finally)

        Nicky had similar lap times.(Not saying Nicky is a bad Rider)
        He was in a better race position at the end.

        Ducati need to do something about the big gap from the front runners.
        They 've got 2 riders with Different riding styles and they both are more than 28 seconds off the front runners


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        Any thats why I didnt want to justify anything else
        Last edited by Braumabull; 04-09-2012, 10:02 PM.
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        • Lorenzo has learnt whatever he knows only because of Rossi.

          As far as i remember, there isn't a single Rossi-Lorenzo battle that lorenzo won.
          After seeing performance of Cal on the new bike, everyone knows how good Yamaha is, and that's the only reason why Lorenzo is going good.
          Karel Abraham and Cal Crutchlow were rookie of the year contenders last year until the last race where Cal did a block pass and pushed Karel down... Karel was on a ducati and until the very last race was giving a tough competetion to the satellite Yahama rider.

          Doesn't this mean that Karel is better than Cal and did good until the last till even with a Ducati ???

          Rossi hasn't lost anything, he still can win races and also championships.
          Everyone are mentioning Checa as one of the greatest Ducati riders of all time after Balyiss, but last time he rode as a wild card with the parmac bike (2010 is guess) he was finding it difficult to even qualify.
          Not to mention he was way off the pace for all the race and was maybe 2nd last.

          Its all to do with the bike.
          The reason for Yamaha guys to be great is the development pace of the bike, as those guys were used to the ROSSI era, they always listened to him and did whatever the racer wanted, no questions asked.

          The reason for honda to do great is the amount of money they can spend on R&D and make the best package available ever.

          Ducati did great in 2007 coz of the new bike, which was amazing.
          but it isn't good anymore.
          Forget rossi, melandri, checa, and even Capirex couldn't do that good on that bike.
          I must agree, Casey was great on it, but again due to his riding style.

          Ducati can't go forward with technical upgrades on that bike, a 90 degree V is alright for a steel trellis frame, not for a perimeter one.
          If Checa couldn't ride a Desmo 800 as a wild card, de-puniet couldn't ride it, the bike is surely to be blamed.

          Rossi's angry because he's not used to having problems with the bike, he's a World Champion and the greatest motorcycle rider ever.
          He's not someone who can always forget small issues and keep riding his balls out to win a race.
          That's not how a champion is made.
          Rossi wants to be a champion, not by luck, but by pure talent which ducati isn't letting happen.
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          • Originally posted by Braumabull View Post
            +46

            (Finally)

            Nicky had similar lap times.(Not saying Nicky is a bad Rider)
            He was in a better race position at the end.

            Ducati need to do something about the big gap from the front runners.
            They 've got 2 riders with Different riding styles and they both are more than 28 seconds off the front runners
            +69 on that.

            JB once commented that the front end issues that left Stoner with the "Moaner" title would be resolved in just a few seconds. Where are they now? Stoner was the only guy who could physically manhandle that Ducati. The only other rider that comes to my mind, who could have probably done good on the Ducati was Super Sic. Unfortunately, one of the most promising talents was taken away so brutally.

            Rossi risks the "Moaner" tag being associated with him. Let's just accept it; the mighty Ducati is a pile of hopeless steel, exotic alloy and electronic components that cannot be competitive with either rider.

            Some unconfirmed rumors say the Rossi is not happy with the way Ducati is ignoring his feedback. If this is true, expect Rossi to be a back-marker in every race this season; something painful for all Rossi fans including me. He is a legend and he himself cannot be comfortable with his position.

            Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
            Lorenzo has ...... isn't letting happen.
            Honda and Yamaha have different work ethics. They listen to the rider. Honda wasn't like this earlier. They have a large budget but the reason they dominate is not money. It is because they listen to the feedback from their riders and test crew. Same with Yamaha.

            The problem with Ducati is their "Heritage"...they refuse to do things differently. Rossi would have rocked on Factory/Satellite Yamaha and Honda teams had he not split on bitter terms with them
            Last edited by niranjanvaidya; 04-09-2012, 10:14 PM.
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            • Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
              +69 on that.

              JB once commented that the front end issues that left Stoner with the "Moaner" title would be resolved in just a few seconds. Where are they now? Stoner was the only guy who could physically manhandle that Ducati. The only other rider that comes to my mind, who could have probably done good on the Ducati was Super Sic. Unfortunately, one of the most promising talents was taken away so brutally.
              Don't know about Simo and will never know. But I do think that maybe Crazy Joe has the mad manhandling riding style that is required to tame the duc.

              I hope they give him a shot next season..
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                • Niranjanvaidya: True...I have a great affinity towards Rossi, he is like Sachin Tendulkar for me

                  Regarding the JB's comment of fixing the bike in 80 seconds last year, Rossi himself admitted long back that they were wrong in saying that. As far as I have followed different articles in past months, I would like to believe that Rossi has been quite frank in sharing the kind of problems they are facing with the bike or with himself! So let's just look forward.

                  I never said anything to downplay Stoner and Lorenzo in my previous post. Infact, Lorenzo seems to have grown as a rider and calmed down as a person, and I have started to like him. Regarding Stoner, his immense talent aside, for me he is like a droid. Mostly devoid of expression! He is like a robot who seem like he is programmed to win (whether he wins or not is a different matter). He is a bit too cold even when he would win a tough race. I know that everybody is not same and each person has his own way of reacting to situations, but he is a bit too cold for me.

                  On a side note, did anybody notice the cheer of the crowd everytime Rossi came on screen prior to the race? Irrespective of his performance right now, he is the greatest ambassador of this sport.
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                  • Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
                    Niranjanvaidya: True...I have a great affinity towards Rossi, he is like Sachin Tendulkar for me

                    Regarding the JB's comment of fixing the bike in 80 seconds last year, Rossi himself admitted long back that they were wrong in saying that. As far as I have followed different articles in past months, I would like to believe that Rossi has been quite frank in sharing the kind of problems they are facing with the bike or with himself! So let's just look forward.

                    I never said anything to downplay Stoner and Lorenzo in my previous post. Infact, Lorenzo seems to have grown as a rider and calmed down as a person, and I have started to like him. Regarding Stoner, his immense talent aside, for me he is like a droid. Mostly devoid of expression! He is like a robot who seem like he is programmed to win (whether he wins or not is a different matter). He is a bit too cold even when he would win a tough race. I know that everybody is not same and each person has his own way of reacting to situations, but he is a bit too cold for me.

                    On a side note, did anybody notice the cheer of the crowd everytime Rossi came on screen prior to the race? Irrespective of his performance right now, he is the greatest ambassador of this sport.
                    +100. Some people are iconic and represent the game. Vale is to MotoGP as SRT is to cricket and Michael Schumacher is to F1. In fact, having grown up watching legends like Wayne Rainey and Mick Doohan win their championships, I firmly feel that Vale is the only colorful character that aroused the interest of many and a worthy successor to them.
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                    • Great to see Yamaha's back in action.... Fantastic ride from Lorenzo taking the lead in the final 3 laps... Tech 3 Yamaha's had a great show with Dovi and Cal battling all through the finish line. Ben dissapointed with the chatter issues but he will back on track a Jerez... Good show Yamaha and hope to fetch the triple crown... Honda where great at straight line speed but there is chatter issue in the bike and the corner entry is not as smooth as Yamaha's
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                      • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                        Lorenzo has learnt whatever he knows only because of Rossi.
                        Any sightation of this? or is that a personnal opinion.. All we know is that there was a big wall in the garage and nothing was passed across..

                        I would have accepted this if he has said the same when we WAS a lead ducati.. Now that he is the LAST ducati to finish the race, I cant take this as a frank opinion on the bike...
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                        • But Ducati's have great straight line it is struggling a lot in corner entries. Rossi's driving style will never match Ducati's. Transition from Honda to Yamaha was easy because both share the same DNA (Japanese) you can see Dovi who was a Honda rider all through his carrier but was flying in the debut race on Yamaha.....
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                          • Originally posted by Dinesh.P View Post
                            But Ducati's have great straight line it is struggling a lot in corner entries. Rossi's driving style will never match Ducati's. Transition from Honda to Yamaha was easy because both share the same DNA (Japanese) you can see Dovi who was a Honda rider all through his carrier but was flying in the debut race on Yamaha.....
                            Reminds me of a Pirelli advertisement some time back "Power is nothing without control". It would be pretty simple for Honda and Yamaha to match or outperform the Ducatis in a straight line...in fact the Honda powered machines hold the speed record at 349 km/hr. But, the point here is that no track on MotoGP calendar is a straight. Probably Ducati are aware of this and hence the extensive mods to the frame and other cycle parts.

                            Just pure OT this; how about Kawasaki making a comeback and having Rossi as their chief rider? Pure Speculation this...no fragment of truth.
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                            • missed the race, but very sad to hear the result. too bad for rossi.
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