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**J4rn0** · 10-27-2014, 04:04 AM

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What to say about Marquez? Rossi told him: "I liked your P.I. strategy better!"

Great improvement by Rossi this year, he's caught up with Lorenzo now -- he's outright incredible, if you stop one moment and think through how many GP eras he has already lived, winning in all of them against three generations of riders. In three different Premier Class formulas out of 4 -- 500, 990, 800 -- he won the titles. He admits he never trained as hard as now: he's super-motivated. Go Rossi go!

Lorenzo said before the race: "My aim is to win, if that turns out to be impossible I'll try to arrive in front of Rossi". Mission unaccomplished, but we can be sure he'll try next time as hard as ever.

Pedrosa... he probably should have stayed in the cadet class. He would now have 10 titles and 150 wins. I think he's too small for the big bikes, and his huge talent can make up for it only to a point.

**chinmayakar** · 10-27-2014, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Makky View Post

MotoGP News - Moto3: Estrella protest against Miller, Kent rejected

Did Marc forget his aggressive moves in Moto2 and MotoGP? Miller did nothing wrong, he was only trying to win the race and make sure Aleix finished as behind as possible. We have a huge fight at hand with Redding, Cal, Miller stepping up to MotoGP on competitive bikes.

**Makky** · 10-27-2014, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Did Marc forget his aggressive moves in Moto2 and MotoGP? Miller did nothing wrong, he was only trying to win the race and make sure Aleix finished as behind as possible. We have a huge fight at hand with Redding, Cal, Miller stepping up to MotoGP on competitive bikes.

No, he admitted that he has visited race direction innumerable times over the years.
@J4rn0: It's a quite disappointment for the sport itself. 26 wins and 93 podiums in the premier class and not a single title under his belt. He stands 8th in the all time list!

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Read the sections about Tito Rabat and Jack Miller:

2014 Sepang Sunday Round Up: Beating Doohan, Rabat's Reward For Hard Work, And Miller Mastering Marquez In Moto3 | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

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**nirvaana** · 10-27-2014, 09:44 PM

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In comparison Hayden has 3 wins and one championship to his credit with only 2 in 2006. Not sure who holds the record for least wins & championship in a calendar

**Makky** · 10-28-2014, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by nirvaana View Post

In comparison Hayden has 3 wins and one championship to his credit with only 2 in 2006. Not sure who holds the record for least wins & championship in a calendar

NH69!

Here's the link:

http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2014/MAL/MotoGP/table5.pdf?v1_1277734f

**J4rn0** · 10-28-2014, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by Makky View Post

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@J4rn0: It's a quite disappointment for the sport itself. 26 wins and 93 podiums in the premier class and not a single title under his belt. He stands 8th in the all time list!

Pedrosa has really a huge talent, but in premier class he's overstretching his physical capacity imo (and not only in my opinion; the long list of his crashes and injuries, also in pre-seasons, is a sign hes' always at the limit with these big bikes, as he wasn't a frequent crasher in the lower classes. The 26 wins is impressive in itself, but it has been achieved in 9 years and always on a factory Honda: starting 2006, 2 wins each year for the first 4 years, 4 wins in 2010, 3 in 2011 and 7 in 2012, his best season so far; then 3 in 2013 and 1 in 2014. With less injuries he would certainly have won at least one title. I wouldn't call that a disappointment for the sport though, as physical qualities are a fair part of any sport and also of motorsports..

**chinmayakar** · 10-28-2014, 10:48 AM

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The crashes could also be his inability to cope up with stress. He sure had lot of wins in premier class, however those wins were not in a season to help him get the title. Let us not write him off so soon as we really dont know what he is made of. Winning a title looks even more tougher with the kind of competition, however, it will be great for the sport if he gets his mojo back.

**Makky** · 10-28-2014, 02:10 PM

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@J4rn0: If you consider his performances and against whom he has raced - Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez, saying Pedrosa doesn't fit into premier class 'd be so wrong.

If his physical attributes were to be a major draw back, HRC wouldn't have had him all these years. And certainly, he wouldn't have survived for so long in the class.

**J4rn0** · 10-28-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Makky View Post

@J4rn0: If you consider his performances and against whom he has raced - Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez, saying Pedrosa doesn't fit into premier class 'd be so wrong.

If his physical attributes were to be a major draw back, HRC wouldn't have had him all these years. And certainly, he wouldn't have survived for so long in the class.

Don't get me wrong mate, I started confirming that Pedrosa is a huge talent, so he does fit and can "survive" very well in MotoGP with his average of 2.7 wins a year; no manufacturer will ever fire a rider with that winning rate, there are not many who can do that! BUT the fact of being 158 cms tall IS a drawback in the premier class. Being so small and light is not a big advantage on bikes that have so much power to burn, and now with the development of electronics even the small advantage he used to have with tire wear is gone. You can see that I am not criticizing rider, just analyzing the reasons why he has never won a MotoGP title after dominating 250 for many years. Had he stayed in the cadet class he'd be approaching Agostini's record by now... In a way it's a pity that now the cadet class is considered only like a passage toward MotoGP, and not a worthy field for a rider's entire career as it was once.

**The Monk** · 10-30-2014, 02:37 PM

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MotoGP News - MotoGP: Rossi: Mistake to leave Yamaha over No.1 status

**nirvaana** · 11-01-2014, 11:22 AM

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Would be interesting to watch the Moto3 qualifying then

**chinmayakar** · 11-01-2014, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post

Don't get me wrong mate, I started confirming that Pedrosa is a huge talent, so he does fit and can "survive" very well in MotoGP with his average of 2.7 wins a year; no manufacturer will ever fire a rider with that winning rate, there are not many who can do that! BUT the fact of being 158 cms tall IS a drawback in the premier class. Being so small and light is not a big advantage on bikes that have so much power to burn, and now with the development of electronics even the small advantage he used to have with tire wear is gone. You can see that I am not criticizing rider, just analyzing the reasons why he has never won a MotoGP title after dominating 250 for many years. Had he stayed in the cadet class he'd be approaching Agostini's record by now... In a way it's a pity that now the cadet class is considered only like a passage toward MotoGP, and not a worthy field for a rider's entire career as it was once.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight, but size of fight in the dog that matters.
Having said that HRC are not an inexperienced or naive team to have retained Pedrosa for so long. I do not believe that we guys here are better than those folks running the team.

**nirvaana** · 11-01-2014, 10:19 PM

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While I completely agree with you, I feel Pedrosa is past his prime. The arrival of MM made matters worst for him. I don't see him winning the championship anymore. If there's anyone who can come into the fight it might be Lorenzo. We are seeing so much of Rossi is due to the combination of him reinventing himself and collective (and relative) failure of Lor & Dani. I wouldn't be surprised though if the doc is able to up the ante for next season even further. And I will be praying hard for it too

**J4rn0** · 11-03-2014, 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Its not the size of the dog in the fight, but size of fight in the dog that matters.
Having said that HRC are not an inexperienced or naive team to have retained Pedrosa for so long. I do not believe that we guys here are better than those folks running the team.

HRC had no reason to do without Pedrosa when they had Stoner, and now Marquez. Pedrosa is an ideal second rider who, should things go wrong with the first rider, still could have a shot at the big prize. Otherwise he adjusts to second positions graciously and without fuss (edit: barring that 2006 episode with Nicky of course..).

@ chinmayakar - I agree Pedro may lack also that last bit of killing instinct, besides the physical muscle, to be a real winner in the premier class.

**J4rn0** · 11-04-2014, 10:30 PM

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And this was Stoner testing Marc's and Dani's Hondas at Motegi...

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