Amen to that

I Very Very Dissappointed
Lotsa things went wrong, maybe it was just not Rossi's day


But I didnt understand what 's abt the 'Panic'. I mean, its racing, at breakneck speeds, wet condition, slippery track. I'm not at all happy wid the way the race went((Crashy Stoner, didnt crash)), but I hope rossi comes back very strong


GO!!!! Vale

The way in which Pedrosa performed in 250s, I thought he would be worthy challenger to Rossi. Unfortunately, I could not follow MotoGP on 07 & 08. So dont know how he fared. But Pedrosa folding up? I have my doubts on that. Too early to say anything like that I think.

Missed the race because of power outage.

But how much I wanted him to win at Le Mans and also at Mugello to make a century of wins in his home race

My motoGP points for Le mans: 83
That makes a total of 380 points from four races

Dude, if you want we can discuss race after race, season after season. Pedrosa is a very good and very fast rider. He gets bazooka starts and is capable of laying down scorching laps after scorching laps !!

But we are talking about proper duelling. Fairing contacts and scrapping for the lead ! Please name one race where he has done that! Time and time again, for the lead and not letting go.

This isn't just me, even the most respected MotoGP experts are in the opinion that he settles for his position and points far too easily !!

Trust me, whenever Rossi charges, all Pedrosa has done is pack his bags and settle for whatever position he can get with minimum of fuss !!

This is where Lorenzo differs from him. Both Pedrosa and Lorenzo fight for the attention of the fanatic spanish fan base. Visit any European forum and you'll realise that pple are really warming up to Lorenzo. Heck, in fact some claim that now, Hayden REPSOL merchendise (caps, t-shirts etc.) sell more in Spain than Perdosa's !!

The spanish public loves a fighter, and thats exactly Pedrosa cannot do. FIGHT !!

Lorenzo also sometimes becomes his own worst enemy. He just doesn't know where to stop and ends up pushing too hard like Jerez last race !!
So you can say he crashes, but his crashes are not due to getting jittery. He doesn't care for his opponents reputation and just goes balls out!

Which is just what I had tried to bring out in my post.
Cheers !!

I agree with you on Pedrosa. Pedrosa has got talent but is not mentally strong to have a fighter instinct. He lets faster ones pass quite easily without trying to close the doors on corners. In the straight line he has the fastest Honda. He has the capability to beat people but not Rossi. I have seen Pedrosa put up a great fight with Rossi. I cannot recall the location but that was one instant when I saw Pedrosa putting up a show. He is fast, he is quick, he is a small package with lot of talent but lacks the killer instinct. But no matter what he is my favourite rider. I am not sure if Puig is responsible for this lack of Killer instinct though I wont be surprised if he is.

Yeah he is the lightest rider in motogp and he has the advantage of higher power to gross weight ratio
If you are referring to this year then it should be Motegi Japan.

No it was not this year. It was last year. Rossi and Pedrosa broke away in the front and fought in the final laps with Rossi taking first and Pedrosa second. Pedrosa will overtake on the straights and Rossi will then settle on the scores on corner and it went on for quite some time. It was the track where there is an uphill chicane and then a downhill straight with lots of greenery. Yeah well that's not really much of a hint to recognise the track .

Perfectly put ! Dani s fast, awesome but still settles soon without a fight !

On the other hand Lorenzo boy is like ' The next Rossi '
* Look at his actions on and off the track
* He s very fast and daring like Rossi
* Look at his celebrations after wins !
* Look at his fan base right from the 125 cc gp stage

Rossi isn t too bothered if dani or stoner wins ! he s all smiles congratulates them and all ! But if Lorenzo boy wins You guys know what he does ! There s always a cold between both these guys !

Opposite poles attract ! But these guys are Like poles ! according to me !

Oh ok, you mean the killer instinct and all. Yeah, that is not Pedrosa at tall. Like you said, he guns for the lead and sweats it out to maintain it. If we have more racers like him MOtoGP will end up being as boring as F1 Agree with you. No Rossi-Gibernau like duel with this guy.

BTW, I meant I couldnt follow MotoGP during 2007 & 08! There was a typo in my original post.

I agree that Pedrosa isnt the 'faring scraping' rider a la Rossi. He lets him pass, and can be meek at times. Still, I believe if Lorenzo wins, he (Pedrosa) will rise to the challenge. His submissiveness may have something to do with maturity: something like what Haga is doing this year in WSBK, not going bazooka if someone overtakes. Or it could be something innate, something he has always done.

Downright aggressiveness or "hanging your balls out" is a riding style: some endorse it, some don't. The former makes for great entertainment and ignites a lot of passion in fans, and adds a lot of value to the sport. But they will also be the ones who will crash more often and have more DNFs to their name. Rossi is an exception.

You cant take anything away from the latter category. They will still end up on the podium.

This is precisely the reason that I think he will not let go. I mean, he is fast off the block and though he isnt the 'fighter' , he is one guy who believes in getting away and keeping it there. Come to think of it, even Stoner would fall in that league. Apart from certain occassions like Laguna Seca, I have not seen him offer much resistance to Rossi when he overtakes. Infact, Stoner even complains of Rossi being 'dangerous' at times. But Stoner won 2007 nonetheless.


I think that has something to do with the fact that they ride the same spec bike, and Lorenzo winning means Rossi being beaten fair and square.

Sure this wasn't the case yesterday!

Anyways, weather played the spoilsport again! I hope the riders don't have to face similar situation again, they have had enough of rain for this season I am sure

Why not? It was Rossi's decision to go in for slicks after 5 laps. He even concedes that he was pushing the bike way harder than he should have, given the wet conditions and the cold slicks. Ofcourse, things like pit lane speed limiter not being engaged are a touch of bad luck but you cannot take anything away from Lorenzo. He built up a gap riding on full wets and he risked racing on them till 12 laps. This race was as fair a win for Lorenzo as was Motegi.

Even Melandri changed after 6 laps. He didn't crash, and we know where he ended. Rossi ended 16th; and the 15 above him beat him fair and square.

For the record, I am not a Rossi-basher, nor am I a Lorenzo fan.

@pudix: Yes, Lorenzo rode really well yesterday. I am not taking anything away from him His timing to change for the bike with slick tyres was perfect.

By fair and square, I mean when two riders indulge in a one on one duell (like last year in Leguna Seca), that's it! And that didn't happen yesterday . Moreover, Rossi was around 2 laps behind the rider in 15th position after he had to ride through penalty, so in any case he couldn't have made up to the 15th position even!

LEt's hope that riders have a full sunny weekend in Mogello.

I am not sure if we can call a duell fair and square. A duell is not fair or sqaure and that's why it is called a duell. It is more risky and the luck, our position and aggresiveness decides a lot. Yeah Rossi has been lucky becoz he has talent. But, a duell put riders in danger and one obviously has to back to save both of them, or atleast himself. You know what happened to Thomas Luthi yesterday...right?