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**ravi@17bhp** · 03-21-2012, 08:26 PM

Many of us are expecting the CBR150R to be sluggish due to its low peak torque. One can't just figure out the behavior of the engine just on the peak figures. It all depends on the torque curve throughout the RPM range. Nobody knows what amount of toruqe CBR150R produces at lower RPM range, hence its premature to say the bike would be sluggish. If CBR150R has good linear torque at lower RPMs than R15, surely CBR150R can beat R-15 at traffic signal.

CBR150 is launched mostly to counter the R-15. Honda would definitely see that its performance stays in the same league as R15. Lets wait for the some test results.

This article may be helpful in understanding torque and power.

Quote from the article: "So, which is more important - torque or horsepower? Well, both are important, but torque at the drive wheels is what's really important to the performance of your vehicle."

http://www.rubydist.com/Family/Power.html

**Sudhir88** · 03-21-2012, 08:39 PM

**ABikerAtHeart** · 03-21-2012, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by sayank10 View Post

the list is there.
he wrote that he will post the method of calculation later.

You might wanna test ride this baby before jumping onto buying a P200ns.

Better safe than sorry!

**sayank10** · 03-21-2012, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by ABikerAtHeart View Post

You might wanna test ride this baby before jumping onto buying a P200ns.

i will have test ride.but at that price point i would rather choose duke for pure hooliganism.

p200ns will save be loads of money which i can invest on buying better riding gear.

**ravi@17bhp** · 03-22-2012, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by sayank10 View Post

i will have test ride.but at that price point i would rather choose duke for pure hooliganism.

p200ns will save be loads of money which i can invest on buying better riding gear.

It would be wise for you to come to a conclusion once the P200NS is launched and road tests available for CBR150R and P200NS. If you have already come to a conclusion, no comments.

**Enthusiastic** · 03-22-2012, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by ABikerAtHeart View Post

You might wanna test ride this baby before jumping onto buying a P200ns.
Better safe than sorry!

-1, CBR with its super overpricing is a product not going to be success in the market. P200 is already success with huge number of people already booked and showing interest in it. With its Super VFM I am sure it will rock the sales in the segment like never before. Apart from that Bajaj ASS is the best to say the least. (personaly exp)

Originally posted by sayank10 View Post

i will have test ride.but at that price point i would rather choose duke for pure hooliganism.

p200ns will save be loads of money which i can invest on buying better riding gear.

+1, P200 NS = UTTER VFM. You can invest then in buying better riding gear and also in the price difference you can fill in petrol and enjoy for 2-3 years. Apart from that P200NS has the grunt and acceleration which equals CBR 250 and cannot be matched by comparatively tiny 150cc engines. The feeling of bigger engine will always be there. Best buy at this time. Congrats Sayank.

**knightfly** · 03-22-2012, 12:26 AM

Devil Eyes..... definitely tasted the blood !

Cbr 150 PGM FI - YouTube

**ABikerAtHeart** · 03-22-2012, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by sayank10 View Post

i will have test ride.but at that price point i would rather choose duke for pure hooliganism.

p200ns will save be loads of money which i can invest on buying better riding gear.

P200ns over cbr sounds more reasonable. Given its the Ninja250 at the end of the day.
But frankly, I'm pretty sure you wont buy the Ninja250. You watch!

**ABikerAtHeart** · 03-22-2012, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post

-1, CBR with its super overpricing is a product not going to be success in the market. P200 is already success with huge number of people already booked and showing interest in it.

+1, P200 NS = UTTER VFM. You can invest then in buying better riding gear and also in the price difference you can fill in petrol. Apart from that P200NS has the grunt and acceleration which equals CBR 250 and cannot be matched by comparatively tiny 150cc engines.

Justify you claims in bold.

**Enthusiastic** · 03-22-2012, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by ABikerAtHeart View Post

Justify you claims in bold.

I have visited many forums and blogs so I estimate it. Leave it for the time being. It will be visible later.

The Grunt is visible from the vid. I have seen CBR 150 & P200NS vids. P200NS shares bottom end with D200 and sounds very similar. I had the opportunity to hear the sound of Duke 200 in person and I have never heard such good sounding bike in my life to be honest (<=250cc). I hope most of the auto-experts would agree on the point of grunt.
Also if you see the acceleration figures of P200NS and CBR250R are quite almost equal. Its obvious that after 100 CBR would have much higher acceleration. Also the claim of P200NS seems to be valid if you see the video done by Overdrive and count the time on your stopwatch.

**Nithesh** · 03-22-2012, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post

Apart from that P200NS has the grunt and acceleration which equals CBR 250 and cannot be matched by comparatively tiny 150cc engines.

Say whaat?

I thought the KTM was on par with the 250R in terms of grunt and acceleration.

Infact i came across a review (a magazine or tv cant remember) where they specifically mention that the 200NS is a tad slower than the older 220

okay i didnt see this following reply of urs

Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post

I have visited many forums and blogs so I estimate it. Leave it for the time being. It will be visible later.

The Grunt is visible from the vid. I have seen CBR 150 & P200NS vids. P200NS shares bottom end with D200 and sounds very similar. I had the opportunity to hear the sound of Duke 200 in person and I have never heard such good sounding bike in my life to be honest (<=250cc). I hope most of the auto-experts would agree on the point of grunt.
Also if you see the acceleration figures of P200NS and CBR250R are quite almost equal. Its obvious that after 100 CBR would have much higher acceleration. Also the claim of P200NS seems to be valid if you see the video done by Overdrive and count the time on your stopwatch.

So everything you estimate is based on videos and blogs?
Also, one cannot see the grunt. one can only feel the grunt.
And P200 NS does not sound anywhere close to KTM 200. Unless one person hasnt cleaned his ears in months!

**ABikerAtHeart** · 03-22-2012, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post

I have visited many forums and blogs so I estimate it.
Dude dont assume things. If its based out of forums then 90% of enthusiasts have already bought Duke.

Leave it for the time being. It will be visible later.
Its already visible rocketing on the road. Its called the Duke200.

The Grunt is visible from the vid.
How on earth does one see grunt now??

I have seen CBR 150 & P200NS vids.
Dont confuse yourself. Read the 2nd highlighted line in my previous post.

P200NS shares bottom end with D200 and sounds very similar. I had the opportunity to hear the sound of Duke 200 in person and I have never heard such good sounding bike in my life to be honest (<=250cc).
Ever came across the term 2-strokers?

I hope most of
the auto-experts would agree on the point of grunt.
Dont think auto-experts have such wonderful eyes,you know.

Also if you see the acceleration figures of P200NS and CBR250R are quite almost equal.
Source?

Also the claim of P200NS seems to be valid if you see the video done by Overdrive and count the time on your stopwatch.

Yeah, this is exactly what I should do; watch the video I dont know the rate of frame-capture and sit with a stopwatch.
Brilliant!
Take over the Overdrive administration. It needs "Enthusiasts" like you.

All in bold.

**aargee** · 03-22-2012, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

where they specifically mention that the 200NS is a tad slower than the older 220

C'mon Nithesh, it must be their opinion

Sayank - Pls take the above comment just to Lol, pls don't get hurted as it's not intended for it.

OTOH - Why's everyone so much cribbing on comparing two bikes? We've gone too much three much four much OT that, we're doing a masala mix all way from R15, D200, P200NS & now C250R; remember someone even talking about N250R. This thread is all about the launch news & it has now moved towards comparison. What's more funny? C150R is not even delivered!!! Pls...can we stop this OT? TIA

**Enthusiastic** · 03-22-2012, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Say whaat?

I thought the KTM was on par with the 250R in terms of grunt and acceleration.

Infact i came across a review (a magazine or tv cant remember) where they specifically mention that the 200NS is a tad slower than the older 220

okay i didnt see this following reply of urs

So everything you estimate is based on videos and blogs?
Also, one cannot see the grunt. one can only feel the grunt.
And P200 NS does not sound anywhere close to KTM 200. Unless one person hasnt cleaned his ears in months!

My data is from Autocar India. I can't give link but according to that 0-60 acceleration of CBR250R = 3.6 secs, Duke 200 = 3.3 secs, P200NS claims to be 3.61 secs

**Nithesh** · 03-22-2012, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

OTOH - Why's everyone so much cribbing on comparing two bikes? We've gone too much three much four much OT that, we're doing a masala mix all way from R15, CBR 150R, D200, P200NS & now C250R; remember someone even talking about N250R. This thread is all about the launch news & it has now moved towards comparison. What's more funny? C150R is not even delivered!!! Pls...can we stop this OT? TIA

This is like the Norm these days. Everybody likes to weigh in the options and point out whats right and whats wrong with the products being offered in and around the price tag of the vehicle before its been reviewed.

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