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  • #136
    Originally posted by Hyperion View Post
    Wasnt asking for an explanation. IMO, it has nothing to do with how kitted the rider is. In India, faired bikes always take the cake. Same is the case in US, nakeds just dont sell as much there (an important reason why Kawasaki launched the Ninja 1000 along side Z1000).

    The KTM is a very good looking bike but it will never command the same brand value as any of the japs. And India is a brand conscious market.
    BTW 1.4L IS Bang in the middle of R15v2 and CBR250R.
    I don't think that's the case in India.. so far you got R15, ZMR & CBR250 as premium bikes with price tag over 1 lakh. We need to wait and see what effect Duke will have with that kind of price tag.

    Pricing is key.. if it's priced at 1.5L, surely some buyers will be turned off or may be tempted to go for CBR250 making a slight compromise on performance if needed (assuming Duke 200 will pack a punch in performance dept.). But, for those who want a good city bike at that price will surely go for Duke 200.
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    • #137
      u guys saying that the naked look of the KTM 200 will affect its sales..
      well i don't think so,..even i too like fully faired bike but i'm damn sure that this bike will steal all our heart because of its muscular looks...
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      • #138
        Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
        @lockhrt999: Think about it, KTM is almost here and new pulsar range is not very far either. Pulsar will/shall remain killer value for money product meant for MASSES. The upcoming pulsars have been speculated to share technological tit bits with KTM, so they'll be considerably different from anything the current pulsars offer. Still, they'll remain a product meant for masses. Bajaj will target good numbers with these. Having said that, Bajaj can position KTM as a niche product if they may. Because definitely it won't be meant to sell like hot cakes. But as I said, acceptance in the market matters the most.
        I kind of agree with with this view. Most indian motorcycling population (commuter, poser, attention seekers) go for three Fs when buying a bike around this price tag. Fairing, Fat Tyre and Fast. Even if two of these three things are true, they will buy it.

        Having said that, I see bajaj trying to align itself on the strategy that Yamaha is using. The Pulsar will be for the masses just as the FZ is. What has been working in Bajaj's favor for instance with the 220, is that its semi faired but packs more punch than an FZ and comes for a tad bit higher cost.

        On the other hand you have R15, which is a killer bike, competes with 220 but to many, is the better looking bike. Again Fairing and Fast. Now with a fat tyre too. I see KTM trying to be in this space. However it will be urban fast and not highway fast.

        It will still attract a good crowd. 220 without a full fairing is very popular. The sales numbers are more than R15. KTM might score over the one five 2.0 on practicality from a fairing point of view. I dont think it is aimed at competing with CBR.

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        • #139
          Originally posted by speedaholica View Post
          I kind of agree with with this view. Most indian motorcycling population (commuter, poser, attention seekers) go for three Fs when buying a bike around this price tag. Fairing, Fat Tyre and Fast. Even if two of these three things are true, they will buy it.

          Having said that, I see bajaj trying to align itself on the strategy that Yamaha is using. The Pulsar will be for the masses just as the FZ is. What has been working in Bajaj's favor for instance with the 220, is that its semi faired but packs more punch than an FZ and comes for a tad bit higher cost.

          On the other hand you have R15, which is a killer bike, competes with 220 but to many, is the better looking bike. Again Fairing and Fast. Now with a fat tyre too. I see KTM trying to be in this space. However it will be urban fast and not highway fast.

          It will still attract a good crowd. 220 without a full fairing is very popular. The sales numbers are more than R15. KTM might score over the one five 2.0 on practicality from a fairing point of view. I dont think it is aimed at competing with CBR.

          Just my opinion

          Most of the Indian crowd gone crazy over fully fared bikes....True.

          IMHO......there is nothing to blame about them, Since early age - 80s how many fully fared bike manufactured for mass in India ? None ! (please exclude the SBK,they are not for Mango People)

          All we got semi fared or bikini faring for ages till 2008,when R15 hit the Indian Road AFAIK . That 1st bike which rolled out form factory gate with fully faring cloth. Then ZMR ---> Ninja 250(SBK though) --->C250R.

          My point is once the certain amount of fully faired bike produce for mass, the attraction will eventually come down.

          And yeah that to apply for skinny --->fat Tyre too .

          Just my opinion
          Last edited by Neel08; 11-11-2011, 12:48 PM.

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          • #140
            Originally posted by RanjithMN View Post
            Frankly i think 1.6-1.7L OTR is a pretty decent price for those specs!

            +1 that's the price range it should be priced. A very cool bike to ride with considering the weight/power ratio. The upside forks is really exciting too.

            @All... Anyone knows which will be the tyres used for our country. As I can see the specs the front is 110/70/R17 it will be the suitable for CBR250R. Waiting for a replacement for the ContiGo
            A max of 140 section rear tyre will be more suited rather than the 150 one.
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            • #141
              Originally posted by Neel08 View Post
              Most of the Indian crowd gone crazy over fully fared bikes....True.

              IMHO......there is nothing to blame about them, Since early age - 80s how many fully fared bike manufactured for mass in India ? None ! (please exclude the SBK,they are not for Mango People)

              All we got semi fared or bikini faring for ages till 2008,when R15 hit the Indian Road AFAIK . That 1st bike which rolled out form factory gate with fully faring cloth. Then ZMR ---> Ninja 250(SBK though) --->C250R.

              My point is once the certain amount of fully faired bike produce for mass, the attraction will eventually come down.

              And yeah that to apply for skinny --->fat Tyre too .

              Just my opinion

              I think this will explain why....

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              • #142
                ^^^ Nice photo dude. Yup.. very less people like Naked bikes !

                Same with me.. I like Duke but if I will have to buy, I will buy Ninja or CBR only.
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                • #143
                  Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                  I don't think Bajaj has invested hundres of crores just to create a niche product. They are on thin ice. They are in no position to play "the game of luck". If this product is not very well received (read: massively), we will definitely see BAL coming crashing down in BSE.

                  Honda or Yamaha can get away with a failed product after investing such huge money, bajaj can't. Remember buying a part of company is a lot different than licensing some technology. No Indian 2-wheeler company has done is before. Lots of things are at stake here.

                  The 125/200 Duke have been developed keeping in mind the developed markets. Its just good fortune for us Indians that its been co developed and manufactured in India.

                  If Bajaj and KTM wants, it can decide not even to sell the 200 Duke in India at all. It's not a "Game of Luck" for BAL-KTM but a case of "Lucky Indians".



                  Last edited by payeng; 11-11-2011, 02:48 PM.

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                    Without fairing, I really doubt it will be the fastest Indian. On the other hand, I think it has potential of being the 'Quickest Indian'.
                    Does a 25bhp light weight machine really need a fairing to be faster than a 21bhp heavier machine?

                    Originally posted by Hyperion View Post
                    . Same is the case in US, nakeds just dont sell as much there (an important reason why Kawasaki launched the Ninja 1000 along side Z1000).
                    The reason Naked's don't sell in the west is because Motorcycles are mainly used for touring and not commuting.
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                    • #145
                      Does a 25bhp light weight machine really need a fairing to be faster than a 21bhp heavier machine?
                      Fastest Indian currently is CBR 250R I guess... 25 Bhp !!
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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by Digital_shubhi View Post
                        Fastest Indian currently is CBR 250R I guess... 25 Bhp !!
                        oh ok!i thought The Fastest Indian was 220! :P
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                        • #147
                          Positive:
                          KTM Duke 200 coming to India..ahaaan!!! 200cc Segment reborn. Thanks to Bajaj Auto Limited. Looking at the engine specs the bike looks pure evil and a complete street fighter. Looks completely adaptable to the Indian road conditions. Having a look at the weight and kind of torque it will generate, it will be hard to hold on to the handle bars

                          Negative:
                          Fuel tank capacity: 10.5 litres! (No no for the touring bikers)

                          Rest lets see what happens when it hits the tarmac. Cheers

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                          • #148
                            So much of gyan on this thread :O
                            will take days to understand all this
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                            • #149
                              Fuel tank capacity: 10.5 litres! (No no for the touring bikers)
                              So, touring bikeRs don't stop even once in 300Kms?

                              I guess even 10.5 is good. Even if it gives only 30Kmpl, it means 300Kms at once.
                              And not everyone takes a bike for tours only. Tours happen only once in a month or so.
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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Digital_shubhi View Post
                                Fastest Indian currently is CBR 250R I guess... 25 Bhp !!
                                doesn't matter, it will still beat the cbr too in the 0 to 100 and quarter mile drags

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