We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

Just like the FZ took the Naked styling to a whole new level the DUKE has also done it.Its radical,fresh and rare and that definitely makes it more appealing to the general mass than the Fully Faired bikes,I kinda hope its slightly more premium so that posers wont buy it :P

My next buy...I will book it on december...Am so happy that due to my university exam,i did not book any bike after selling my R165...Special thanks to PAYENG bhai :-)

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.

Look at Renault, Fluence is selling merely at ~ 100 units per month and that translated as big flop. They thought bragging about F1 success and their inventions through newspapers will make brand successful, but they went wrong. On the other hand, have a look at the success of VW, Within a year of launch, less priced Vento is selling as much units(~4000) as multi JP-power award winner Honda City with having less than 1/3rd Showroom/service coverage area on the hand (It even once sold 4 times units than ANHC).

95% of R15 owners - who are not xbhp members - bought R15 just because it was very great to look at (bling effect) and it was Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha products ask for premium because they can, on the other hand Hero, Bajaj, Maruti etc,. are here to cater the masses. And sometimes over-priced premium products like Kizashi from a non-premium company, utterly fail.

We xbhpians - technical dudes - do acknowledge and appreciate the potential of duke 200 but we're not even 1% of total customers who might feel like buying a KTM. The rest of the KTM customers don't understand our language. They know it's just 200cc ,which won't do more 35 KMPL and non-faired. They would think it as astoundingly priced even at 1.3 L.

Let's be rational guys, Bajaj-KTM don't have many things in the plate that those 99% other customers feel any need of. Think of the other way, it will be (almost) localized bike which saves some money, no-fairing which saves another 10-15 grands, lightness which means less metal went into for producing so the cost is minimized to a great extent.

This bike is targeted towards youngsters or those who fill young by heart. Average 'young' Joe starts earning good very late to own this bike on his own. I think not all parents would pay hefty amount for 200cc bike which potentially looks like a stunt bike. Typical Indian mentality is Heaviness = very rugged = best suitable for Indian roads and this is where duke looks delicate (only we know it's opposite)

We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.
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Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.

Look at Renault, Fluence is selling merely at ~ 100 units per month and that translated as big flop. They thought bragging about F1 success and their inventions through newspapers will make brand successful, but they went wrong. On the other hand, have a look at the success of VW, Within a year of launch, less priced Vento is selling as much units(~4000) as multi JP-power award winner Honda City with having less than 1/3rd Showroom/service coverage area on the hand (It even once sold 4 times units than ANHC).

95% of R15 owners - who are not xbhp members - bought R15 just because it was very great to look at (bling effect) and it was Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha products ask for premium because they can, on the other hand Hero, Bajaj, Maruti etc,. are here to cater the masses. And sometimes over-priced premium products like Kizashi from a non-premium company, utterly fail.

We xbhpians - technical dudes - do acknowledge and appreciate the potential of duke 200 but we're not even 1% of total customers who might feel like buying a KTM. The rest of the KTM customers don't understand our language. They know it's just 200cc ,which won't do more 35 KMPL and non-faired. They would think it as astoundingly priced even at 1.3 L.

Let's be rational guys, Bajaj-KTM don't have many things in the plate that those 99% other customers feel any need of. Think of the other way, it will be (almost) localized bike which saves some money, no-fairing which saves another 10-15 grands, lightness which means less metal went into for producing so the cost is minimized to a great extent.

This bike is targeted towards youngsters or those who fill young by heart. Average 'young' Joe starts earning good very late to own this bike on his own. I think not all parents would pay hefty amount for 200cc bike which potentially looks like a stunt bike. Typical Indian mentality is Heaviness = very rugged = best suitable for Indian roads and this is where duke looks delicate (only we know it's opposite)

We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

Why sad?? do you seriously think it will just be 25-30kmpl, you can expect that kind of mileage from a Ninja 250, which produces 33 hp and weighs around 170 kg, same goes for CBR 250. IMO you can expect 30-35 kmpl from Duke 200, which is acceptable range for 11 litres fuel tank.



I think Payeng bhai is now shivering with Duke fever after seeing the tech specs . Frankly, I didn't expect Duke 200 to come with such intimidating/mind blowing specs.



There, that's a clincher. I for one, wouldn't expect any detuning for this machine. Ninja 250 doesn't go through any detuning, why should this get detuned? Sorry, i'll take the 26hp/20NM torque/125kg dry weight combo, no thanks to detuning

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.

Look at Renault, Fluence is selling merely at ~ 100 units per month and that translated as big flop. They thought bragging about F1 success and their inventions through newspapers will make brand successful, but they went wrong. On the other hand, have a look at the success of VW, Within a year of launch, less priced Vento is selling as much units(~4000) as multi JP-power award winner Honda City with having less than 1/3rd Showroom/service coverage area on the hand (It even once sold 4 times units than ANHC).

95% of R15 owners - who are not xbhp members - bought R15 just because it was very great to look at (bling effect) and it was Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha products ask for premium because they can, on the other hand Hero, Bajaj, Maruti etc,. are here to cater the masses. And sometimes over-priced premium products like Kizashi from a non-premium company, utterly fail.

We xbhpians - technical dudes - do acknowledge and appreciate the potential of duke 200 but we're not even 1% of total customers who might feel like buying a KTM. The rest of the KTM customers don't understand our language. They know it's just 200cc ,which won't do more 35 KMPL and non-faired. They would think it as astoundingly priced even at 1.3 L.

Let's be rational guys, Bajaj-KTM don't have many things in the plate that those 99% other customers feel any need of. Think of the other way, it will be (almost) localized bike which saves some money, no-fairing which saves another 10-15 grands, lightness which means less metal went into for producing so the cost is minimized to a great extent.

This bike is targeted towards youngsters or those who fill young by heart. Average 'young' Joe starts earning good very late to own this bike on his own. I think not all parents would pay hefty amount for 200cc bike which potentially looks like a stunt bike. Typical Indian mentality is Heaviness = very rugged = best suitable for Indian roads and this is where duke looks delicate (only we know it's opposite)

We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

Will the KTM will made available to all Bajaj dealers or only to the probiking outlet?

Will the KTM will made available to all Bajaj dealers or only to the probiking outlet?

I visited Pro-biking yesterday, as per them from next month there wont be any pulsar or Avengers any more, but just Ninjas and KTMs. They are already making stands ready to display KTM.

Every thing is fine or more than fine in this bike, just the touring range as 11L means u can use at the max 9-9.5L of fuel (as this is fuel injected), moreover the price of the vehicle if KTM+Bajaj will launch this bike under @ Rs 1.3 lakh than it will be a VFM beyond that it wont justifies it price tags as people will stick to Bullets and CBR 250r.
This price bracket seems to me vacant as bajaj might launch their new lines of pulsar (250/300) in the range of 1.2L or so (only assumption).

Wish Bajaj will come with 300cc pulsar and in a price bracket of under 1.4L.
Would love to own one.....

Wake up buddy, we are not discussing Discover 200cc here.. Duke 200 is a premium product. You might even wish that Bajaj makes 500 cc and prices it below 1 lakh and even Bajaj might end up doing just that, but I guess in that case it will be named Boxer 500cc and will look more like it.

This thing got the tech like R15 & CBR250 and the quality of components is simply topnotch, so please don't expect to be priced @1.3L.. it may be priced around 1.5 L.. but yeah, I do agree that it will be a run away hit if priced @ 1.3L.