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**mid** · 12-04-2011, 09:47 PM

yes 90% of use'll be at city limits but we do take occasional longrides too.
and bike manufactures here try to cover all the bases even if it is targeted to specific purpose as majority buyers dont use different bikes for different purpose.

**chicane1879** · 12-04-2011, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Your Answer.

KTM is most likely to be as fast as the R15 and will definitely be "quicker" off the mark to 60mph
Fuel efficiency is also a factor for the Indian Market

With close to 190ps/tonne and you are comparing it to the likes of R15!!

With that sort of figure and power rating, i see Ninja beating acceleration timings, and if it's not the case then it would be kind off sad for a bike with such astounding power ratings.

And yes, if they have compromised on top speed, then it ought to have even wilder acceleration/low-end torque and timings. Now that would even get the stakes higher. Let's see what the bike has in store for performance junkies.

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 12-04-2011, 10:38 PM

If anyone has read the review by BSM, Alan has mentioned that the restriction is also set to maintain reliability. I have heard a lot about pulsars being too unreliable on high rpms (from mechanics, friends and i own a p180 too) and may be this is the reason Bajaj may want to play safe. No offense to anyone. Also with my CBR experience, i have noticed that if riden above 120-130kmph, the mileage drops drastically. Betweeen 80-110kmph, its superb (33kmpl). This maybe one reason? Bajaj is known to deliver performance with decent fuel economy. Do they want the same to establish KTM as a brand for the Indian Junta?

**sheelpriye** · 12-04-2011, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

If anyone has read the review by BSM, Alan has mentioned that the restriction is also set to maintain reliability. I have heard a lot about pulsars being too unreliable on high rpms (from mechanics, friends and i own a p180 too) and may be this is the reason Bajaj may want to play safe.

600cc's should be unreliable then. Watch any video of any self respecting rider & show me the revs below 10K at any point.

The Karizma which I had leaked oil with cut gaskets often and managed to bend a valve too whereas the Pulsar despite being red-lined never threw any tantrums.

A sports bike is meant to be kept on the boil, at high rpm's. Despite redlining, a CBR F4i has done over 2,00,000 miles (US) and is still going strong & bouncing off the revs regularly. Have a look 2004 CBR 600 F4i turning 200,000 miles + brief history - YouTube

**vishnus** · 12-05-2011, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

600cc's should be unreliable then. Watch any video of any self respecting rider & show me the revs below 10K at any point.

The Karizma which I had leaked oil with cut gaskets often and managed to bend a valve too whereas the Pulsar despite being red-lined never threw any tantrums.

A sports bike is meant to be kept on the boil, at high rpm's. Despite redlining, a CBR F4i has done over 2,00,000 miles (US) and is still going strong & bouncing off the revs regularly. Have a look 2004 CBR 600 F4i turning 200,000 miles + brief history - YouTube

absolutely right bro, superbikes are designed to ride on harsh riding habits, it won't get toasted on that conditions, i own a P220 & never experienced any problems on Higher RPM's

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 12-05-2011, 12:27 AM

**Digital_shubhi** · 12-05-2011, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

If anyone has read the review by BSM, Alan has mentioned that the restriction is also set to maintain reliability. I have heard a lot about pulsars being too unreliable on high rpms (from mechanics, friends and i own a p180 too) and may be this is the reason Bajaj may want to play safe. No offense to anyone. Also with my CBR experience, i have noticed that if riden above 120-130kmph, the mileage drops drastically. Betweeen 80-110kmph, its superb (33kmpl). This maybe one reason? Bajaj is known to deliver performance with decent fuel economy. Do they want the same to establish KTM as a brand for the Indian Junta?

Check out the article... Even they have copied MRC

The 17-inch tyres on the test bike were the same 110/70R17 front and 150/60R17 rear radials fitted as standard, specially-developed for the Dukes by MRC

**Samarth 619** · 12-05-2011, 12:47 AM

[QUOTE=mid;742528]

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Similarly the KTM is not advertised as a sports bike. Theyre advertised as stunt bikes. Topspeed doesnt matter here = Naked

all i was saying is the absence of faring cant be said as the reason behind the inferior 127km/h at 10k rpm

topspeed
that article didn't looked genuine to me

peak power and rev limiter kickin at same 10krpm?

yup the naked siblings are inferior to its fared versions in topspeed to gain that street friendliness but cant this much

i simply cant take that 127kms topspeed

Duke 200 is quite similar to Duke 125, so the gearing could be a direct lift too. What makes me say so? Because, Duke 125's top capable speed (without EU limiter) is 77 mph (128 kmph)... Clear?

This maybe a pre launch setup & I'm sure that Duke 200 will have higher top than 127 kmph with modified gearing before the launch.

Gearing is the keyword here, not aerodynamics. No amount of aerodynamics can help you if your naked bike hits rev limiter in 6th gear. The well informed members of the forum know what I'm saying, and correct me if I'm wrong.

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 12-05-2011, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

This maybe a pre launch setup & I'm sure that Duke 200 will have higher top than 127 kmph with modified gearing before the launch.

Highly possible.

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Gearing is the keyword here, not aerodynamics. No amount of aerodynamics can help you if your naked bike hits rev limiter in 6th gear.

+1; cant agree more.
Does it also mean that it has a lot more potential left after the rev limiter (if unrestricted)? (i ask this because even the faired cbr250r is not able to hit the rev limiter in 6th gear in ideal conditions) and that may indicate the different character of the duke 200?

**Nithesh** · 12-05-2011, 01:25 AM

[QUOTE=Samarth 619;742590]

Originally posted by mid View Post

Gearing is the keyword here, not aerodynamics. No amount of aerodynamics can help you if your naked bike hits rev limiter in 6th gear. The well informed members of the forum know what I'm saying, and correct me if I'm wrong.

We were discussing Aerodynamics because Somebody here said "wing riders who paid more for *plastic* will be upset"
And by plastic they meant fairings. Hence we were discussing the difference between a faired bike and a naked bike.
Btw agreed Aerodynamics has little to do with KTM. And that is precisely what was being discussed here.

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

With close to 190ps/tonne and you are comparing it to the likes of R15!!

Again ur missing my point. The R15 can't do 0-100 in under 10secs. This is where the CBR(8.6) and the Ninja(8.1) come in. We are talking about KTM being the quickest of the lot.
As mentioned above. Its all about the gearing setup.

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

(i ask this because even the faired cbr250r is not able to hit the rev limiter in 6th gear in ideal conditions)

This is ideal for touring bikes. The 6th gear is only useful for cruising.
Such is not the case with Duke

**payeng** · 12-05-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

You only shed weight if u want the bike to be "Quicker" around the track. Not "faster" on a straightline speed.
I think you should pm Joel about it. Only he will know why he's shed the fairings for the race and my reason could be logically correct.

If i had to take a guess the bike is setup biased towards acceleration rather than topspeed. Also the R15 wasnt meant to be a complete sports package. It was designed as a road friendly everyday commuter + occasional track tool. It had its limitations with kerb weight being a factor and the 150cc mil being another. For a stock bike race it is perfect but knowing Joel and the race he gets into, that bike is far from stock?.

The R15 stands nowhere compared to the 125cc motogp bikes which are built with just one purpose of being the ultimate track tool. Ever wondered why those bikes are fully faired?

125 GP bikes don't make 20 odd bhp..

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Those bikes do about 220+kmph. The engine+transmission is powerful enough so there is no need to shed any weight. And inorder to maintain stability at those speeds, they are fully faired.

..and yes, they already are ultra light in weight.

And let me remind that we still get 20 odd bhps on our desi bikes.

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Similarly the KTM is not advertised as a sports bike. Theyre advertised as stunt bikes. Topspeed doesnt matter here = Naked
the CBR is a sports tourer> Topspeed not important but highspeed stability is. = Fairing

the Ninja is a sports bike > Topspeed is important aswell as highspeed stability = Fairing

**Satyamzma** · 12-05-2011, 10:55 AM

Less then 25 days More to go ...

**vishnus** · 12-05-2011, 12:14 PM

check this out..its here..

and 1 more great news...the bike will be alavilavle with a lot of aftermarket addons
just see the fully loaded 200 Duke on the left & stock bike on the right

**veryhiphop** · 12-05-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by vishnus View Post

check this out..its here..

and 1 more great news...the bike will be alavilavle with a lot of aftermarket addons
just see the fully loaded 200 Duke on the left & stock bike on the right

nice....

In back near chairs CBR 250 is standing....

**vishnus** · 12-05-2011, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

nice....

In back near chairs CBR 250 is standing....

yup..u are right bro...

just check the bike, it have a rear seat eliminator

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