Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

It will be surely great if NS200 gets FI atleast!!

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

ABS Please.
FI means scraping their hyped triple spark plug tech, which they would never do. simple!

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

How does FI mean scrapping the triple spark ?

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Asaram Bapu appeared in my dreams and said that cylinder head doesn't have any space to accommodate an injector.

Also FI on NS is pointless. With both FI and ABS together an NS would cost about 1.3 lac on road easily in Pune, which doesn't make it affordable performance. Bajaj would be too stupid to promote sales of new karizmas by putting both abs and fi on an NS. FI isn't as necessary as ABS. Nevertheless Adding FI to NS will hurt sales of either the duke or ns itself. Then there will be price gap 40k in prime section of premium bikes.

Those who voted for FI haven't thought this through. They'll now say 'Oh, I'd like to have both on NS' and when if Bajaj actually launches ns with both features at some 1.3 lac same people will say 'Oh, I'd rather have duke at 10k more'. Then we will see how Bajaj turned a successful bike into a flop show.

This thread is the most irrelevant and pointless in the history of threads.
Folks Pulsar 200ns with FI is already there and it's called Duke 200.

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

lol, lets dig up (read open) all engines and found if what you dreamt was true!

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Asaram Bapu also said it's not as easy as his own *injector* which could fit into all engines just from 10 year to 100 years old alike, and so if they want to fit an injector in an engine with head having four valves and three spark plugs they'll have to bore a bore.

He said he got all that wisdom by dreaming about 200ns engine head which was pictured on 200ns launch thread and then he said even Ducaties have less busy engine heads.

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

The way P200 NS is positioned in market..it doesn't need either fi or abs..reason is.. No other manufacturer is providing abs at this price point (discounting tvs..since a180 abs is not doing great numbers anyway) ..

And as for fi.. The p200 ns is not lacking performanc or fuel efficiency for the want of fi..so it doesn't need any..

What this bike seriously needs is a.full fairing..and i am sure all existing owners who have did speeds like 120- 145.. On their ns will agree.

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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

This is an urban legend which needs to be corrected.

Fuel Injection does No wonders for either performance or Fuel Efficiency.
The only tangible benefit of Fuel Injection is providing "hassle free cold starts" and adhering to "strict pollution norms".

Even our seasoned auto journos were brainwashed to believe that "Fi" is the holy grail for performance, smoothness and fuel efficiency.

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Well bro.. I conveyed it in a simple way...and i am no auto journo..

What FI actually does is "precise fuelling" and all the things like better performance, mileage, cold start, & meeting emmission control norms etc are its benefits.. It is very difficult to segregate real and not real benefits..

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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

And if fi does no wonders to performance or fuel efficiency.. Why is it preferred in ...say motogp....cold start or emission control...

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Its a modern tech.. anyway, don't think the MotoGP teams are bothered about Fuel Efficiency.

About performance, how much extra horses did the now discontinued range of P220 DTS-Fi, RTR160Fi, Stunner PGM-Fi or the current Glamour Fi make over its Carb. variants?

I have never heard or ever experienced the Fi tech delivering astounding mileage figures. Leave aside remarkable mileage, I have not even felt a small difference. I owned the P220 DTS-Fi.. so I know first hand what Fi Can and Cannot do.


Its a modern tech, and definitely the future.. but what are the "tangible" benefits and at what price?



By the way if you are not aware, it was ONLY due to the pollution norms that made Indian Car manufacturers switch to Fuel Injection.. not because of Fuel Efficiency gains or easy cold start.

But after using "Fi" one gets used to the one touch start and no need to warm the engine experience.. and that is the only "tangible" benefit of Fuel Injection.

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Fuel injection results in better combustion. And that basically means better fuel economy. Better combustion has other benefits too.

Many of its indirect benefits wont be noticed by the user. Keep in mind that most bikes in India have very small engines. So we may not notice the difference, but it certainly is there. So for the average Indian guy, EFI certainly isn't an unavoidable thing. I mean, the weather is mostly warm, no altitude issues, small engines and poor riding conditions.

At higher levels, manufacturers can put EFI to good to use and I think with larger engines the difference will be noticeable too. With EFI in place, they're in better control of things and it's easy to coordinate the complex electronic systems of the vehicle since everything is controlled electronically; not mechanically.

I'll put it this way: if carburetor is an abacus, EFI is an electronic calculator. If all you do is simple calculations, an abacus should be enough. But for complex multi-digit operations, you need an electronic calculator.

So I don't think EFI is a necessity on the NS but some people may find ABS useful.

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FI engines need Italian tune jobs less often too.

And all the FI bashers, realists, economists, market experts, and last but not least ones talking about Asharam Bapu's own branded "injector", ride the FI and carb version of CBF Stunner bac to back then come to the thread again. You'll know what I'm talking about.

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Bro .... Friend ... Fellow biker ....

(1) if you think, motogp teams are not concerned with mileage.. Then...i am really at a loss of words ....

(2) regarding P220, apache, stunner pgm-fi etc not making more bhp than their carbed version is true..coz fi alone is not enough, its the complete package that matters and i never said more power, i said performance...and performance can be improved even without increase in bhp by improving the fueling.

(3) regarding cars.. Firsr of all we are not discussing cars..and i have very poor knowledge of cars....regarding cold starts...this is my 5th two wheeler with a carb or without any fi and none till date had any cold start problems...and same logic applies with emmission control norms...as if only fi vehicles pass PUC and all carbed ones fail in emmission control.



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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Let's not make this another battlefield. Chill guys.
It's a known fact that small engines may not exhibit any substantial difference in FE or performance with an EFI system as opposed to a carburetor setup, if the conditions are ideal. As the engine size gets bigger, the benefits become very noticeable.

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@princesirohi
payeng was not talking about PUC tests, but about the various emission norms viz. Euro III, Euro IV, Euro V etc. It was difficult for cars to conform to these norms with their large carbed engines. And hence they moved to FI much earlier. This of course was in India where, cost reduction was/is more important than performance or efficiency (FI was adapted in many other countries for its efficiency and superiority over carbs). But the Indian car industry has definitely benefited from that switch. FI has numerous benefits over a carburetor and it has been discussed so many times. Let's just stick to the topic for now .