Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

guys, any idea whether ABS might be an option?

The white and blue colour looks rich and gorgeous

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

he he i am just a message away for you here (in bangalore) bro. the best thing for me is i have about 5 sources in YRC itself that i can pretty much blindly trust with the updates

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Thanks for the prompt updates bro - the quickness that can come only from an ardent Yamaha fan such as yourself
I guess, I am gonna hafta suppress my urges by drastically reducing the frequency of viewing related media; these are influential, you know!

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Yes they will make changes to the fueling.

UD bhai, no idea on which road yet. All i know is the testing starts from north and ends in south covering summer, rains and winter. lemme try to get across to him if he is free from revving the juice out of it . 8 months waiting

UPDATE: [MENTION=48174]chaosaddict[/MENTION] UD bhai, meghan aint riding it he said it might be at factory in surajpur so expect it to be spotted the way r15v2 was spotted

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

[MENTION=37022]Ron Syl[/MENTION] Ronnie Bhai,, any idea as to where exactly is that R & D R25; I mean which street/road is it on?
Last update from [MENTION=57593]saquib3005[/MENTION] was - Mr. Meghan from Gaadi.com is redlining & trying lean angles on it
Anything on performance, any pictures/reviews.... anything at all - One year seems to long and I am already short of patience, although I must admit that I am monetarily incapable as of now

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

11.6:1 should run fine with 91 RON. There are bikes with higher CR running without trouble with Indian fuel. Since Yamaha seem to be focusing more on developing countries with this bike, they'll have tested it thoroughly with the lower octane fuels.

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[MENTION=10465]payeng[/MENTION] Sir : Hell no ! That was not in my mind when I wrote kick-ass !

@ Doga : I wasn't aware with what Yamaha did with Fz-09 and I hope your theory holds true. And if Yamaha is looking for some big numbers in India then it'll have to price it competitively.

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WOW. my eyes are bleeding blood after reading so much

to sum it up:

Guys speculating on pricing: its not worth it till its launched

guys speculating it will win/lose depending on pricing: come after 1 year after its launched and has done sales.

so basically speculating something thats really not gonna help in anyways is total waste of time all we do is "bashing" rather discussing on the product thats infront of you.

lets talk about the design, engine etc. let the company worry about the sales and pricing, thats their job. Let discuss on what might work (as few guys discussed about it) and what might not.

Right now i dont see a reason the bike wont work here other than the "speculative" pricing we are talking about.
you are getting a twin,
good power,
comfortable ride,
better headlights,
new design (thank goodness it does not follow the same design and different CC "strategy" ),
a globally launched bike which means better aftermarket products and finally i hope there is a frame slider,
i will blindly trust the handling and braking.
a new designed console with more things at offer unlike r15 console. (here is what i did after looking at the earlier one provided by the launch and gave it to this FB page)



If any of you thinks that yamaha is not considering india as their "target" then i will say its untrue.
Yamaha took feedback from current r15 owners on the bike design of r15 last year and most of them said they would want a little comfortable bike.

OT: people complained about r15 being too 'rider friendly' and not a pillion friendly. also a little stressful for the rider. any one noticed that the duke has tiny seat? and the RC series is still more sporty (meaning more stress for riders in city and elsewhere) and that tiny seat with that height (agian more stress for riders and very less comfort for pillion) and as per me the things that didnt work for r15 for few customers will happen more with RC and also not to forget few other things

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

So will it suffice or one has to opt for higher 93 - 97 ?

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

91 RON is the standard fuel in India right now.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

If that is true (i.e pricing aggressively) than they (Yamaha) probably don't believe that their Crux, YBR 110, SS125 and SZ-X-R-RR is "Kick Ass" enough.

One has Pricing power when one the Product/Service is "Differentiated"... Like the "puffed up muscles" on the FZ and the "mini R1 like full fairing" on the R15

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Can you speculate what kind of 'internal business needs' would prompt a company to insist on replacement of a part in 5k kms which would last 20 kms? I see the internal business need as strictlty a business need, meaning profit!!
Btw I don't think Bajaj has targeted that kind of interval for the cycle parts of the duke. I am not talking about the chassis, which I think is a gem, but the general nut /bolts/gaskets.
/chain/ etc.
I would be honest to say that the duke 200 is my first ride and I don't have a previous ride of a different make to compare it with, but this also gives me a unbiased view to look at it.
I have had many instances when the spanner had simply ground the edges a screw/nut rendering it useless and forcing a replacement. A business need for opting for bad metallurgy?
How about oil leaking from numerous 200 and 390 heads(I haven't had this issue, touchwood). The chain and sprocket lasting less than 10K in many cases?
Suspect clutch? The fan also needed replacement?The tank leaking in under 25 K(Ok it's plastic so may be a design thing and is susceptible to cracks, but then the bumpy Indian roads should have been taken into account )
Make no mistake, the duke is a hoot to ride, but the quality is definitely subpar. Your bike is new. I hope you don't have to change your view as the bike ages

yes, historically, Yammies have been premiumly priced, meaning they were content with lesser numbers and higher margins. But this never drives growth and the reason they are still a relatively small company in India(and globally too compared to the other Japs). They were not driven by growth,yes. But I think they are now. They want growth now and they want to capture the market for that.Look at their global strategy and the launches they have made. Chief among them is the FZ-09. They have tried to pull a 390 duke there. The FZ 09 is 847 cc triple which is priced at a mind boggling price of $7999. This is competing with the brutales ,street triples and monsters but is priced several dollars lesser. They have compromised a bit on the chassis.The forks are below par and the shock too, plus the fueling is glitchy. But the motor is an absolute gem. The quality aware Yaks and the Euros are going ga ga over the motor despite these shortcomings.
So Yamaha is playing the price card there. A lot like what KTM is doing in India with the 390. Fantastic motor and awesome specs and great value as a package.Is not as uncompromising as the Triumphs or the MVs or the Ducati's(quality wise), but won't burn a hole in your pocket.
So if the global strategy has any bearing on the Indian arm, and I think it has going by the flurry of scooter launches, then they'd bring manufacturing of the R25 here to keep costs down, since CKD would relegate the R25 to a fringe-premium offering like the N300.
I am not saying this will happen. But this has to happen if Yamaha wants to make some numbers and grow.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Just wanted to ask a noobish question. Would R25 require 91 octane fuel owing to higher compression ratio ?

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Yamaha's pricing has been discusses extensively in the earlier thread too. It one of the favorite topics here. However, hardcore Yamaha fans will opt for the R25 regardless of pricing. Yamaha is known to price their products steeply and R25 is not going to be an exception. Furthermore, Yamaha doesn't believe in penetrating the market by cutting the prices of its offerings. Yammies come at price and, in my opinion, the price is justified. R15 is the best example. Even after 5 years of launch, it almost costs the same. Other manufacturers have doled out much powerful offerings at cheaper rates but this has not meant death knell for R15.

Typically in an oligopoly a company with a price advantage will always penetrate the market with lesser priced offerings. Bajaj /Hero will always want their sales figures graphs to steep exponentially.
Historically, Yamaha has never resorted to aggressive pricing tactics to capture market share. They have a product and they believe it kicks ass. Now they need to ensure that the customer believes that too.

It goes without saying that most people will opt for the most powerful bike in their budget which would inevitably be SS400/CS400/RC series. A confused buyer will not opt for the R 25. Guys who are on the fence will mostly opt for RC unless KTM seriously ****s up. Guys upgrading from Pulsar 220/NS will mostly opt for CS/SS 400 due to the price advantage. Hero fans will go for HX250.

Yes. Yamaha entered very late in the market and they have lost quite a bit of share to Kawa. But with the R25, a prospective Ninja buyer will definitely look at the R25 before making the final decision.

I, for one, am happy that I have an option from Yamaha to upgrade. And like Rossi said a couple of months back. This bike DOES pack a punch.

And I am blown.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

They way I see it, both Yamaha & KTM are in the same league when it comes to expected quality. We expect RC to be a lot like Duke 390. And We expect YZF R25 to be a lot like YZF R15. We have a point of reference in both cases.
Which turns out to be more of a good news for Yamaha, although yes, Duke 390's quality has improved too over time, & Yamaha's engine will be all new.
BTW trips of 1600+kms/ day are possible on both bikes, someone did a SS on both of them AFAIK, although yes, quality is not all about riding on and on...


OT Response to someone's post:
But, why people attribute quality with service occurrence/ schedule is what I don't understand?
Just because parts are officially scheduled to be replaced often DOES NOT mean that they are of low quality. In fact, in India many owners go on and on, without even servicing, and still their vehicle continues to work normally.

If a part lasts 20k kms, you can schedule its replacement in 15k, 10k, or even 5k in some cases, as per business needs. It could be possible that KTM wants quick movement of inventories, including all their parts, for some internal business reason. Does it in any way signify that once you miss a service, your bike's gonna go rough or will break down in 2000 kms more? No. It doesn't.
Yes, I officially certify that the Duke 390 is a strange/ different kind of bike. It idles unstably at around 2 krpm, heats up in low rpms but remains moderate on high revving on racetracks & tours, switches off in low speeds sometimes, may require longer cranking to start, etc. Otherwise, riding it is still no problem at all. And higher octane fuel is known to solve some/ all of these issues.
Its still dominating roads though, which makes up for every little thing it lacks in. Ask owners how they dominate the roads, and you will know why it sells.



Coming back to the R25, if its anything like R15, one shouldn't fear at all. We all know what R15 is, we all know that only big complaint against it was the displacement- and when Yamaha is solving it, along with an added cylinder, we should just relax and wait for Yamaha to do their job, which they know very well.
Price depends on how they import/ manufacture/ source the bike. We'll have to wait and see.

And, just for reminding everyone, we shouldn't be even talking on the topic of service costs. Performance bikes will prove expensive in everything, from tyres, to service, to fuel, to other maintenance. Some bikes more, some less.
The faster in league, the more expensive. Its a fact. Get it, only if you're ready for it.