Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

RC is coming with proven reliability ....right...???

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Dude !!! Are you sure? If Yamaha price it in the range of 3L INR, it would be a Harakiri by Yamaha?? I doubt.

Tell me one thing, how many users who really love biking, has spoken highly of Pulsars (talking about the 150s, 180s and the old 200s and excluding the 220s) regarding the quality in all aspect starting from switch gears to engine. The new Pulsars, mostly the NS, are much better than the other models but they are yet to age so can't comment on their long lasting build. Now, you can see old R15s which are still running with the same enthusiasm as it was when taken out of the showroom. Don't you think that this has to do something with the price? Has Yamaha created a 'cheaper' R15, by now the older V1s would have been history. Now you can take FZs. I have a friend who bought a 4 year old FZ from a guy and with an ODO reading of 30k kms. So it has run quite a bit miles respective to a normal commuter. The bike is still behaving as a new FZ would. There are many other examples too on basis of which I guess I am able to make you understand, the quality of a FZ is better than a Pulsar of its range. So coming to your point, you think people to be that much idiot that they're buying Pulsars just because of the ads? No sir !! It's because Pulsar is cheaper to maintain, good power and mileage at affordable price but with not with a long life or performance.

Do you really think Yamaha will target 'aam junta' for R25. I guess not. 'aam junta' might not give a damn about a twin or single but a good rider will, cause only they will know why people drool over a twin compared to a single. I'm not going into comparision with RC cause I don't want the quality of R25 to be like those from KTM/Bajaj stable.

Again you got it wrong. CBR250 has got a really good engine but do you think really that the overall build quality is also too good? Ask any person or mechanic, who has ridden many kms on a CBR or serviced many CBRs, and you'll get the answer. So again I'm not going into comparision with CBR 250.

So you want Yamaha to bring out a bike with the build quality of CBR250 or the other? No we would not like that. We are ready to pay a bit more but want a real well buit bike.

Spot on !!! To gain on the quality front we may have to lose on the price front. But we don't want Yamaha to get more worried about the price but better they take care of how good the bike can be built.

I guess not. Making the CBR a twin pot will not allow Honda to sell it at 2.25L INR.

Then again, it is not targeted at mass. People who have their eyes set will buy it, and I can assure you, that number is not very less.

Yeah. Exactly. You can buy a cheap one but you can't expect it to be both reliable and fast. Else the world would have been a much better place.

Exactly. And Yamaha should never be a part of that rat race. R25 will be priced a bit high maybe but no doubt it will be a well thought of, well rounded, well tested and superior built bike.

Bro !!! What a comparision it was? BTW which 1000 CC 4 cylinder reliable car you can get under 5L INR? I would love to buy that for my family, as I don't have any knowledge about cars. Again coming to bikes, comparing the price of a bike and a car is not correct. I can say that you can get a car of that same config at 15L INR, Fiat 500. So why do you think what has been the difference between these two 1000 CC 4 cylinder cars with a price gap of 10L INR? Same way N300 is coming at 4L INR but a bigger capacity D390 is coming at 2L INR.

I second your statement. I guess R25 will be brought as CKD only for the first one or two years, then Yamaha, on receiving the market response, might start manufacturing it here.

Yes and that too proudly.

Yamaha will price, my bet, R25 as a premium bike only and not to compete for shares from CBR or RC390. People who think about quality and longlasting bikes, will go for R25. Else they have other options as well.

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You're a noob?? Then what are we??? We might be just getting to know what a motorcycle looks like.

I agree but what is the ratio then. People say any product to be bad only bad to good ratio is too high.

Even I guess the same NV sir. Yamaha will bring R25 as a CKD and then on market response they will decide further.

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you aren't alone in this thought...I too think so and have said or implied the same a few times in this and the previous R25 thread, in the context of yamaha having the R3 planned for EU/NA which is expected to be a proper supersport because no one there wants yet another beginner level sport touring type bike that's basically just a better or upgraded version of the baby ninjas or cbr250r (as great a deal as that is for us in india, but nonetheless not interesting at all for most europeans who are more into the niche of sportriding) and anyone interested in low cc sportbikes there just wants someone to give them a fairly high revving lightweight supersport 250/300/whatever to be used as a nice little track bike, something at least somewhat reminiscent of the japanese four's high revving 4 cyl 4 stroke 250 racers of the 1990s...hopefully yamaha will do so for them in the form of R3, and hopefully few years down the line the R3 will be made available for india..

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Apparently that's cargo worth declared on Air-Cargo plane.



OTR or Ex-Showroom price need not necessarily be the same.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

That wont happen, as d390 is priced closely to cbr250 abs, and if we add another 20k for the fairing version, the price of rc390 should not cross 2.3-2.4L, and expecting the r25 priced below that would be hugely impossible optimism

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Once again, the perception game playing to increase the post count on this thread. Being a noob, I can only say that people have always perceived Yamaha as reliable and performance oriented. Honda to be extremely reliable and economical. KTMs in the current scenario are the dark horses unreliable and "cash cows" for the SVC, Kawasaki is premium and beyond consideration.

But then, haven't R15s ever developed issues? or for that matter, aren't there Dukes which log thousands of kilometers without missing a beat or breaking a rim? or for that matter, aren't there any Honda machines that might have performed very well?

Forums are fast becoming ranting places and speculations are good as long as there is no perceptive mud slinging. As I said, I'm a noob and probably I'm the only one who thinks that the R25 is just a glorified Ninja 250R (if you can read the specs you would know that it is evolution). I feel that Yamaha might go the CKD way as in Kawasaki with a small change where the body parts and other shared components (between R15 and R25 platforms) being sourced in India to reduce the cost.

Above lines are my personal opinions and no one is bound to agree with them.

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Ehem. A recent news or rather say speculation. I do not how much true, just sharing what I saw

Yamaha YZF R25 brought to India for INR 2.16 Lakhs - Motoroids.com

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Its a Big Joke !!

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

From where did you get this information? Source please

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Agree. If the pricing is around 2.5L on road, there's going to be a pretty big dilemma in my mind. Ninja will be striked out of the list easily.
It'll be a battle between the pure supersport package and performance of the RC390 vs the 14000 RPM and reliability of the R25

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

400ss/cs will cost less than ktm Rc390 and Yamaha r25 Will cost less than or equal to rc390 .

Sent while Riding a 10sec bike.

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Absolutely, bajaja for sure won't play the role of a mere audience, if they price their 400 twins around 1.8-2L, they will create a storm...the competition below 3L will be no doubt very fierce...may be yamaha won't target that section at all and as some of us saying, they will keep r25 out of the mud and in premium section with price >3.2L. But still if I see from business and sales volume point of view, the best combination would be , produce domestically and sale cheap !!!

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Myself on the same boat chinmayakar!! Having had the duke for 2 years now, I know the RC would be another cash cow for the svc other than being a 'track tool'

The reason I am not too keen on it. There is no doubt in my mind that quality wise the Yam would be much better than the RC too. Also performance wise, the Yam would not be too far behind,as we saw in case of the Ninja-RC , as I said power on wheel figures may be closer. But there is no denying the torque figures and thh Rc would decimate the Yam in acceleration and roll ons.

The figure I quoted in my previous post (2-2.25 L) is something I THINK yam should launch the bike here in India to make it a profitable proposition.
Yamaha may launch it as a CKD at 3 lacs + to price it like the Ninja and members here may get an ego massage to see their beloved Yammie slot alongside the premium Ninja, but that would be really unwise of Yamaha. Kawasaki are no Bajaj when it comes to quality and the R25 won't be able to trump the N300 on performance.
So it would be an even battle. Sure die hard Yamaha fans would go for the R25 over the Ninja but tell me guys how many die hard Yamaha fans are out there who have 3 lacs of spare cash?
I always wanted the Ninja , but when I bought the duke, it didn't even was in consideration. The CBR was!
It made sense for Kawasaki to launch the Ninja as a CKD premium product because they didn't have any infra here and India didn't have any notable high tech performance bikes save the R15 which was a good 2 lacs lesser in price. So however the low sale numbers, Kawasaki were content with whatever profit they derived out of it. This strategy of being a niche and hence fringe player doesn't make sense for Yamaha since they have plants here. Why not grab market share when they have potentially blockbuster product ready and condemn the CBR to oblivion?

As I said going by the recent strategy of Yamaha, I think they are looking for market share, so I don't think they'll shoot themselves in the feet and launch the Yam as a CKD ! Even Kawasaki is mulling a plant here to localize the Ninja. Every company looks to grow and growing is not possible by occupying a niche and hey Yamaha are no Ducati(heck, even Ducati tried grabbing the Asian market by launching a 'cheaper' monster').
I am not sure if Yamaha said they were targetting N300 with the R25, but if they had said so then it must have been from a global learner bike perspective and certainly not for the Indian market.They even have not promised it'd come to India, have they?
And globally the RC would definitely be priced higher than the Yam.The Duke 390 sits in the same bracket as the N300, globally(They don't have stupid segments like we do here, faired/non faired/thumper/twin/triple) and is priced the same. The yam would be another option in this learner bike category, the poor quality of the RC notwithstanding.

All I want to say is that Yam may launch it any price they and the members here wish(I think Yam fans here are almost wishing here for it to be 3lacs+), but for it to be big success, it has to be in the vicinity of teh RC(2-2.5 lac max).

PS:A bit irrelevant here but just saying .It's only in India that Yams are perceived to have higher performance and superior quality. The R1 is the most popular superbike(along with the hayabusa), but it is much more maintenance intensive than the blade or even the ZX. Ask any sbk mech or even owners(look up sandman's latest post in the superbike section). Also it usually grabs the last position in shootouts

Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

I completely agree with you on pricing but still there are people who opt for duke or pulsar knowing that it has quality issues.
Even if the R25 is priced under 2.5l and RC390 priced the same with better performance definitely RC will sell better even though its a single & has quality issues .

Yamaha if prices it premium will use it for building the brand image .

Yamaha's are known for their premium pricing in India .when R15 V1 got launched it was the priciest bike at that time yet sold like hot cakes for its price .

For the quality they offer it definitely worth the premium .
Meanwhile I am still waiting for that pulsar 400

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indeed, the RC390 does look supersporty kickass (and weird from the front but still inviting) from whatever pics of it has emerged in the internet so far..

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true, but i was talking about major manufacturers...kawasaki is still basically a tiny company in india, essentially only selling the premium costly ninjas and recently the naked Zs...much like the european manufacturers presently in india (except KTM of course)....back in the days of 2 strokes, it seems kawasaki was still quite a big player besides yamaha and suzuki, but not in the modern times though..

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[QUOTE=Ron Syl;1065175saying it again, as per the only reliable person i know, yamaha is getting their chennai factory up and running ASAP by jan2015 so that they can accommodate and manufacture more vehicles which also includes r25[/QUOTE]

jan 2015 ? nice, they are probably progressing faster than they thought...because i remember reading an article in some moto website more than a year ago quoting some yamaha official that the new facility (which is aimed to be a much bigger one, capable of producing high quality and premium motorcycles not only for the emerging domestic market but also a major exporting factory for even the advanced markets of europe etc) but it won't be finished any sooner than early 2016 or late 2015.