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  • #46
    Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

    Naked style with ninja300 engine would have been good for this price.

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    • #47
      Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

      I agree, Z250 has the blood of a streetfighter but the price is way over the top. Disappointed .

      On a positive note we have kTM and also Benelli is in town. Hopefully they will have disruptions in the 250 , 300 class

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      • #48
        Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

        Originally posted by A-mod View Post
        In all likelihood, the Ninja SL250.
        It could be Vulcan

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        Originally posted by Aurobindo View Post
        I agree, Z250 has the blood of a streetfighter but the price is way over the top. Disappointed .

        On a positive note we have kTM and also Benelli is in town. Hopefully they will have disruptions in the 250 , 300 class

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        To me Benelli will price the BN302 model anywhere from 2.5 to 3L OTR. Unlike KTM< they are not sourced from India, Hence CKD will have its downside. But I am wishing a price tag way less than N300
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        • #49
          Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

          Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
          Glad to see such mature views finally after the initial phase of Z250 bashing.
          Thanks buddy...just spoke my heart out.
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          • #50
            Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

            price of z250 is on higher side. if kawasaki reduces price at least by rs50000/- many buyers may purchase it. some other bike maker has reduced price by rs100000/- on his bike.
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            • #51
              Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

              Yes price is slightly higher not as much as you say but no one in their right mind will reduce the price after announcement, much less kawasaki.

              That Suzuki did so shows their immaturity in our market. It is not helping anybody actually.

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              • #52
                Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                I would say its better to expect Kawasaki to price Ninja 250SL closer to Duke 390, and for now, Z250 is ok priced considering its two cylinder and the performance comparable to the legendary Ninja 250R.


                So, thumbs up to Z250 from my side, and would love to see it revving hard on the streets. Let's hear how the 14 krpm screamer sounds without the fairing muffling it up... I had a brief ride on a Ninja 250 once, which was my first ride on a multicylinder motorcycle too. Lovely ride quality, handling and engine feel.



                Coming to the next launch, I was always a fan of Ninja 650. Still, I can't explain to myself the reason I would buy a ER 6n, specially because it doesn't feel like a twin and that the market is getting bigger.
                Let me explain: Its a 2 cylinder based on the Ninja 650, right? But the Ninja 650 seems to have hardly any advantages of being a twin cylinder...

                1. The sound? It is lackluster, if I'm diplomatic about it. Even a Duke sounds better being revved (not because I own one, but because it actually sounds so.). No one will say its a multicylinder by its sound alone. Even Ninja 250R and N300 sound much better.
                2. High revs? Power spread? It is well within extremes of single cylinder engines, making maximum power at 8500 rpm. And for an engine this big, its tough to estimate what power spread advantage it has over singles?
                3. Smoothness? NVH? Yes, maybe that is present in this engine, but some singles are smooth too... so... the point is....?

                Don't get me wrong. It might be a legendary Kawasaki quality product. But is it double cylinder only because its 650cc and Kawasaki had no choice?... And, what is the owner gaining from it being a twin?

                The merits of being a twin are not there... But the demerits (maintenance, weight, high cost, etc.) are surely there...

                I know I'm getting critical of an otherwise wonderful (touring+commuting+occasional racing) machine, that was my dream bike too, but facing the reality is needed too.
                In the market of future, given you have every choice from FZ6 to the Duke 690, would you get the ER6n, honestly?
                Last edited by Samarth 619; 10-22-2014, 02:43 AM.
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                • #53
                  Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                  If you are saying that N650 is not a good twin, then you are simple out of your mind or haven't ridden one properly. It revs even better than the N300 FYI and can beat the N300 hands down on a stretch but you don't feel the high pitch of the engine because its a bigger engine and bigger bike. In fact you do't get to utilize its full power range on most Indian roads. That it can do north of 200km/hr sells for under 5.5L is not something one can dismiss and is total VFM tourer for one looking for superbike > 500CC in India.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                    Originally posted by sparky View Post
                    If you are saying that N650 is not a good twin, then you are simple out of your mind or haven't ridden one properly. It revs even better than the N300 FYI and can beat the N300 hands down on a stretch but you don't feel the high pitch of the engine because its a bigger engine and bigger bike. In fact you do't get to utilize its full power range on most Indian roads. That it can do north of 200km/hr sells for under 5.5L is not something one can dismiss and is total VFM tourer for one looking for superbike > 500CC in India.

                    Bro, both you and Samarth are right. Ninja 650 is a twin, but it does not revv as fast as Ninja 300 unit. It is a very torquey engine, and hits a genuine 200 without breaking a sweat. You are completely right when you say people arent able to utilise full power of the bike.

                    Forget N650, people aren't able to utilise even Duke 390, 200 and Ninja 300 to its fullest. I am sometimes surprised to see chicken strips on these bikes. It looks like most don't lean much and love to rip only on straights.

                    People are even surprised when you tell them you use all the 6 gears in the city.
                    Last edited by chinmayakar; 10-22-2014, 09:25 AM.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                      Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                      I would say its better to expect Kawasaki to price Ninja 250SL closer to Duke 390, and for now, Z250 is ok priced considering its two cylinder and the performance comparable to the legendary Ninja 250R.


                      So, thumbs up to Z250 from my side, and would love to see it revving hard on the streets. Let's hear how the 14 krpm screamer sounds without the fairing muffling it up... I had a brief ride on a Ninja 250 once, which was my first ride on a multicylinder motorcycle too. Lovely ride quality, handling and engine feel.



                      Coming to the next launch, I was always a fan of Ninja 650. Still, I can't explain to myself the reason I would buy a ER 6n, specially because it doesn't feel like a twin and that the market is getting bigger.
                      Let me explain: Its a 2 cylinder based on the Ninja 650, right? But the Ninja 650 seems to have hardly any advantages of being a twin cylinder...

                      1. The sound? It is lackluster, if I'm diplomatic about it. Even a Duke sounds better being revved (not because I own one, but because it actually sounds so.). No one will say its a multicylinder by its sound alone. Even Ninja 250R and N300 sound much better.
                      2. High revs? Power spread? It is well within extremes of single cylinder engines, making maximum power at 8500 rpm. And for an engine this big, its tough to estimate what power spread advantage it has over singles?
                      3. Smoothness? NVH? Yes, maybe that is present in this engine, but some singles are smooth too... so... the point is....?

                      Don't get me wrong. It might be a legendary Kawasaki quality product. But is it double cylinder only because its 650cc and Kawasaki had no choice?... And, what is the owner gaining from it being a twin?

                      The merits of being a twin are not there... But the demerits (maintenance, weight, high cost, etc.) are surely there...

                      I know I'm getting critical of an otherwise wonderful (touring+commuting+occasional racing) machine, that was my dream bike too, but facing the reality is needed too.
                      In the market of future, given you have every choice from FZ6 to the Duke 690, would you get the ER6n, honestly?
                      Honestly, you haven't ridden a 650 or you haven't ridden it properly. You say the Duke's Autorickshaw sounds better than the 650. You should hear the 650 after 6k rpm. It is designed to be a touring machine, why should the 650 make more power at peaky revvs. The power on the 650 starts right from 1k rpm and goes all the way to 11K, the real power on the 390 starts only after 5k rpm. The 650 will revv close to 11 K rpm even in 6th gear, will a single revv that high? never. Would I have chosen the FZ6? yes. The Duke 690 ? never, what is so special about the 690 except it being another 150 kgs and short geared. It sounds like another big auto.

                      Sorry! I did not want to get into such arguments, you being a moderator should be careful with your words, people look upto you people for their next purchases. There is a lot of mis-leading information in your post.
                      Last edited by bprags; 10-22-2014, 09:46 AM.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                        Gosh! So I get rightfully critical of few aspects of an otherwise wonderful machine, and people don't take it easy, defending it on THOSE aspects that I never disagreed with, in the first place!
                        How to clarify my actual point? Confusing indeed.

                        Originally posted by bprags View Post
                        Honestly, you haven't ridden a 650 or you haven't ridden it properly. You say the Duke's Autorickshaw sounds better than the 650. You should hear the 650 after 6k rpm. It is designed to be a touring machine, why should the 650 make more power at peaky revvs. The power on the 650 starts right from 1k rpm and goes all the way to 11K, the real power on the 390 starts only after 5k rpm. The 650 will revv close to 11 K rpm even in 6th gear, will a single revv that high? never. Would I have chosen the FZ6? yes. The Duke 690 ? never, what is so special about the 690 except it being another 150 kgs and short geared. It sounds like another big auto.
                        Sorry! I did not want to get into such arguments, you being a moderator should be careful with your words, people look upto you people for their next purchases. There is a lot of mis-leading information in your post.
                        Please read my post with patience if you do.

                        Before a moderator, I'm a member first & that's what I consider myself. Logical discussions are a go. Truthful discussions, yes! Assume me to be a person with an opinion.

                        Wouldn't you regard vehicle sound as an important aspect?
                        Do I have to be 100% appreciative as a person? Can't I be 90% appreciative??

                        Its a tourer so revs needn't be sky high, so I agree here. Like I said in my post, "an otherwise wonderful (touring+commuting+occasional racing) machine, that was my dream bike too". Don't you see my appreciation for the bike in the above lines?
                        Do I have to repeat its a fantastic machine? And if it is fantastic, does it have to be perfect?

                        Sound is subjective so I leave you to decide for yourself. I didn't like it at street level revs, and had higher expectations after riding the 250R. (I know their focus differs). And yes, I heard that it sounds well after 6 krpm, which is probably 30% of the time of one's typical sane ride. Not that I'm complaining. Its all ok by me.


                        I was talking in reference to the competition. You yourself mentioned FZ6.

                        Ok, let's talk about theory. The 2 cylinders of Ninja 650R, fire with a 540*-180* firing order, that brings the two power strokes closer instead of making it equally spaced, in theory it brings it closer to single cylinder like dynamics.
                        If you have even 4 cylinders and they all spark close to each other, or exactly at the same time, they will behave like a single only. The benefits we get from multicylinders is only because of filling up of non-power strokes. Technical part ends.


                        Yes, you're right about the Mod part. Next time, I'll try to clarify what is my opinion as a "person only" alongwith a "No Offence" message. My presentation of the last post might be wrong. Thanks for pointing.


                        Of course, we're soon going to have a domestic inline 4 from a Japanese giant (with equally spaced 180* firing), then we'll naturally see the comparisons from the Auto industry. ATTENTION:- I know a twin and a four are not comparable. But sadly, in an open market, they definitely do get compared... I know, its ignorance of the market.
                        Search "R15 vs Duke 200" on google. These are 2 different segment machines, with different focus. Hell, some even get CBR 250 into this. Amazing. The world is filled with such people, but in the market these people pay the money too. Heck, sometimes even a commuter knows that he wants a single cylinder 100cc. But the rest of the market. Hopelessly ignorant.

                        Don't get me wrong. ER6n is still a very good machine & will still sell with its USP's.. I hope you get my point. You can PM me too, if you wish to be more frank.

                        Originally posted by sparky View Post
                        If you are saying that N650 is not a good twin, then you are simple out of your mind or haven't ridden one properly. It revs even better than the N300 FYI and can beat the N300 hands down on a stretch but you don't feel the high pitch of the engine because its a bigger engine and bigger bike. In fact you do't get to utilize its full power range on most Indian roads. That it can do north of 200km/hr sells for under 5.5L is not something one can dismiss and is total VFM tourer for one looking for superbike > 500CC in India.
                        It takes some revs in the first gear, its not necessary to touch 200 kmph for it.
                        I know, the power rush means you must have good grip, but high speed is not a factor for enjoying revs.

                        Revs even better than N300? Are you Sure? Confident? ADVICE: Check this point again...
                        Yes, 650 can beat 300R on a stretch or even a drag.. I can even list their 0-60 and 0-100 timings, if you want... But, performance wasn't my point in the first place.

                        And I'm not out of my mind. The 540-180 order isn't the most efficient. And forget that, sound is an important factor of a machine, even today.
                        "" Sound is the acoustic version of a machine's looks & outer attractiveness "". Its a fact. And it matters.

                        Truth is truth: N650 series does NOT sound like a multicylinder, at least at street revs. Still, its a fantastic machine which I already posted clearly.
                        Anyways, let's end the discussion. I have appreciated N650 countless times, even in my last post. Just that, after a small stint, its not my dream machine anymore. And my dream bike is my personal prerogative.

                        And you're right about it being a VFM tourer, in the Indian market scenario. Even I appreciated it, just that you didn't read it properly.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                          Guys, any Diwali discounts on Z250, as it is an old twin engine with new body work and paint?

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                          • #58
                            Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                            Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

                            Of course, we're soon going to have a domestic inline 4 from a Japanese giant (with equally spaced 180* firing), then we'll naturally see the comparisons from the Auto industry.

                            but high speed is not a factor for enjoying revs.


                            The 540-180 order isn't the most efficient. And forget that, sound is an important factor of a machine, even today.
                            "" Sound is the acoustic version of a machine's looks & outer attractiveness "". Its a fact. And it matters.

                            Truth is truth: N650 series does NOT sound like a multicylinder, at least at street revs. Still, its a fantastic machine which I already posted clearly.
                            Anyways, let's end the discussion. I have appreciated N650 countless times, even in my last post. Just that, after a small stint, its not my dream machine anymore. And my dream bike is my personal prerogative.

                            And you're right about it being a VFM tourer, in the Indian market scenario.
                            my thoughts... thank you buddy. being a machine lover (any kind), even a home mixer, sound plays a part, which brings it to life...
                            I'm a responsible rider.It doesn't matter what you ride,but what matters is how you ride.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

                              Originally posted by Legend Racer View Post
                              my thoughts... thank you buddy. being a machine lover (any kind), even a home mixer, sound plays a part, which brings it to life...
                              Buddy, sound is important. But it is not the deciding factor. As with looks sound too is subjective. I love the way both Ninja650 amd Duke sounds. To me both are unique and have an identity.
                              When I am in the market for a premium bike it is engine, gearbox, dynamics, looks and finally sound. It is exactly in that order. Sound is not a deal breaker atleast for me. Jyada problem hai to I can pick up a slip on any day.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Kawasaki ER-6n and Z250 Launched at 4.78 and 2.99 Lakh INR

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