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**HyperRetard** · 11-13-2014, 10:42 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post

Hope they are not like issues in quality like in street 750, where Harley localized most of them for cost cutting measure. Hopefully Honda is aware of all these and give a product that's VFM

By how reliable are they, he meant how reliable is the website reporting the news, not how reliable is the bike.

**Balgi** · 11-14-2014, 02:30 AM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by sparky View Post

That's exactly what I said, its driven by customers and we value price at the cost of quality even for marginal difference in value. Take the example of Duracell- we don't mind buying a Novino cell 4 times in a row which costs 40 bucks in total but hesitate to buy a Duracell which costs 25 bucks but lasts as long or even more.

I know I have a Uni from 2006 which has been touch wood till today and the engine runs like butter. I think I'm going to keep it for a long long time.

Ah I guess we have something in common, other than our opinion. I also own a 2007 Unicorn and its been a superb ride so far.

**Nithesh** · 11-16-2014, 10:44 AM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by sparky View Post

It says they plan to assemble here and also say that they want to keep it below 10L which in all probability means it will be close to 10L because it is not manufactured here. So where did that news come from which said that they are going to make it here?

During Gujrat plant's stone laying ceremony Mr. Y. S. Guleria, VP, sales and marketing said "We announce that (from) next year Honda will start making CBR 650F in India. By this, we will not only open up the skill of our existing manpower but it will also showcase the Honda India's manufacturing quality to the world".

I don't see how that is possible if they intend to assemble this bike even as CKD. Assembling takes very little skill especially if you have the assembly drawings from the manufacturer with all the relevant data.

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Thats the point Payeng. CBR didnt set the charts on fire. Plus India is developing into a manufacturing centre for most manufacturers. Why not Honda then? It sure is the right step in the right direction. Some may see it some may not.

Really? When the CBR was launched in 2011, HMSI averaged 3000 units a month the whole first year. Economics times reported on tv that a total of 18000+ units were sold between April-Nov 2011. Then the sales figures was steady around 2000 units in 2012 and steadily fell to 1000-1500 in 2013 and then plummeted to 500-1000 units in 2014 before ending production in July 2014.
I can safely assume Honda has sold at the very minimum 40k units of the 250R in the 3 years of its existence which at its price point has probably met the sales target a long time ago. IIRC the bike from India were also exported to South American markets.

Also about Kawasaki, i just ran through the import datas and surprise surprise, it only costs 2.2 lakhs to import knocked down N650s from Thailand. This is prior to assembly. Add another 1 lakh in assembly, operational and transportation charges and you will still see Kawasaki makes at the very minimum 1 lakh profit out of each 650R sold. They sell 40-60 units of these bikes a month.

**giridhar** · 11-16-2014, 04:04 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Also about Kawasaki, i just ran through the import datas and surprise surprise, it only costs 2.2 lakhs to import knocked down N650s from Thailand. This is prior to assembly. Add another 1 lakh in assembly, operational and transportation charges and you will still see Kawasaki makes at the very minimum 1 lakh profit out of each 650R sold. They sell 40-60 units of these bikes a month.

I am no expert in this topic, but I guess you left out import duty to the cost or does the 2.2L include duty?

**Giftonsamuel** · 11-16-2014, 04:41 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by giridhar View Post

I am no expert in this topic, but I guess you left out import duty to the cost or does the 2.2L include duty?

Looking at the price of ninja 1000 listed below I think its not included with tax .not sure though .

Even the CKD price without tax must be including profit so even the 2.2l is with profit .

And plus tax and assembling &transportation costs and dealer margin makes the price almost 3x

**sparky** · 11-17-2014, 10:21 AM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post

Looking at the price of ninja 1000 listed below I think its not included with tax .not sure though .

Even the CKD price without tax must be including profit so even the 2.2l is with profit .

And plus tax and assembling &transportation costs and dealer margin makes the price almost 3x

Ahh, you are simply making the wrong calculations, first you will not be able to order for knock down parts and assemble so don't even go that route.

Check how much an N650 is sold in thailand, which is almost the same as what its price in India is. So, no its not like its expensive here right?

**TheArcher84** · 11-19-2014, 05:31 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

news from AutocarIndia

"The faired CBR650F sportsbike will be here by March 2015 and will be assembled in India and the 160cc offering will come by year-end."

Honda CBR650F,160cc bikes coming soon | Bike News | Bikes 500cc-800cc | Autocar India

**MR ACE** · 11-21-2014, 10:39 AM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Why is the bike kerb weight is 211 kgs? Honda using old frame for this new bike? Pls enlighten.

**TheArcher84** · 11-21-2014, 10:43 AM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by MR ACE View Post

Why is the bike kerb weight is 211 kgs? Honda using old frame for this new bike? Pls enlighten.

They are using the Steel Tubing buddy for Cost measure, Unlike Trellis or Aluminium. So the kerb weight goes up, But I guess the swing arm is aluminium. It looks a bit sporty. Good that they didn't use the conventional styling on the swing arm.

**MR ACE** · 11-21-2014, 10:59 AM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post

They are using the Steel Tubing buddy for Cost measure, Unlike Trellis or Aluminium. So the kerb weight goes up, But I guess the swing arm is aluminium. It looks a bit sporty. Good that they didn't use the conventional styling on the swing arm.

This bike is more focused on tourer than sporty riding.

**xionite** · 11-21-2014, 12:27 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

i don't see the CBR650F being priced anything less than 6.5lac to 7 lac.

it's priced at roughly 5.4lac in the US right now.

a price-tag of less than 5lac is NGO pricing. Honda bikes have always been sold at a premium.

my expectation of 6.5 to 7 lac is on the low side too.

pricing aside... this is a superb bike for an enthusiast in India tho.

**TheArcher84** · 11-21-2014, 12:27 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by MR ACE View Post

This bike is more focused on tourer than sporty riding.

True, It has an upright position like the N650, so good it should be ok to rive around city as well and must be happier machine on the highway

**princesirohi** · 11-21-2014, 12:52 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by xionite View Post

i don't see the CBR650F being priced anything less than 6.5lac to 7 lac.

it's priced at roughly 5.4lac in the US right now.

a price-tag of less than 5lac is NGO pricing. Honda bikes have always been sold at a premium.

my expectation of 6.5 to 7 lac is on the low side too.

pricing aside... this is a superb bike for an enthusiast in India tho.

if it is manufacture in India, then it can surely be priced at the price equal to that of US.

if its a CKD, then it may be higher.

**TheArcher84** · 11-21-2014, 01:50 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

if its a CKD, then it may be higher.

Its definitely CKD.... But still localization of parts..should bring the pricing compared to N650.

**coldfire20** · 11-21-2014, 02:19 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Even if CBR 650f is priced 75k above N650. It looks like a good proposition for an I4 engine.

I have seen a few video reviews, the engine sounds oh so sweet! Time to start saving up for the bike.

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