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**BPD** · 11-11-2014, 01:10 AM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by sparky View Post

It says they plan to assemble here and also say that they want to keep it below 10L which in all probability means it will be close to 10L because it is not manufactured here. So where did that news come from which said that they are going to make it here?

Certainly a great news, but sceptical about the built quality of Honda.
Still, two thumb's up.

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**TheArcher84** · 11-11-2014, 02:34 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by BPD View Post

Certainly a great news, but sceptical about the built quality of Honda.

The engine is imported (for sure), Localization will happen for most of the parts like in Street 750. But yes, Build quality of Honda using local components , we need 4 eyes to check them all. But its a huge step taken by Honda, it just says under 10L, but who knows what the pricing is going to be. May be priced equally or a little higher to N650.

**rreneav1987** · 11-11-2014, 02:49 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post

The engine is imported (for sure), Localization will happen for most of the parts like in Street 750. But yes, Build quality of Honda using local components , we need 4 eyes to check them all. But its a huge step taken by Honda, it just says under 10L, but who knows what the pricing is going to be. May be priced equally or a little higher to N650.

If it is anywhere above 5L and less than 6L, then the bike is VFM.. if it is close to 8L or 9L, I would prefer to go with the Daytona 675

**TheArcher84** · 11-11-2014, 03:04 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

If it is anywhere above 5L and less than 6L, then the bike is VFM.. if it is close to 8L or 9L, I would prefer to go with the Daytona 675

+1 bro, For me it will be Z800 if its priced more than 8L. 5-6L is best buy. April 2015 is expected to hit the shores ..lets see

**Divya Sharan** · 11-11-2014, 03:18 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

If it is anywhere above 5L and less than 6L, then the bike is VFM.. if it is close to 8L or 9L, I would prefer to go with the Daytona 675

How is D675 more VFM even if Honda 650 costs 10L OTR?

**chinmayakar** · 11-11-2014, 03:23 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

I dont think he means VFM. He probably means that if Honda costs somewhere around 10 lacs, then Daytona sounds a good option. The reason being track oriented dynamics and performance plus the hardware that it has to offer.

At these price levels VFM is a mythical figure

**princesirohi** · 11-11-2014, 03:24 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

If its made in India, its pricing should be significantly lower than Ninja 650 and Hyosung 650. isn't it..??

otherwise they can simply bring it in CKD, isn't it..??

**chinmayakar** · 11-11-2014, 03:31 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

If its made in India, its pricing should be significantly lower than Ninja 650 and Hyosung 650. isn't it..??

otherwise they can simply bring it in CKD, isn't it..??

Honda said it will make in India. It never said it will be cheap since it will be made here. If they plan to deliver high levels of quality, manufacturing too will have to be improved. Well, I know zilch about the economics of manufacturing, but being a Honda, it may not be a cheap i4. Honda may infact use this as an opportunity to charge a premium for the brand Honda.

Having said that, logically it would only make sense if it were not priced stratospheric ally high.

**princesirohi** · 11-11-2014, 03:40 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

yes they never said that it will be cheaper, but isn't manufacturing it here cheaper than importing via CKD..??

and if manufacturing it in India is not cheap, why manufacture it in India where sales volumes are nothing. better to manufacture somewhere else. isn't it?

**chinmayakar** · 11-11-2014, 03:48 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

yes they never said that it will be cheaper, but isn't manufacturing it here cheaper than importing via CKD..??

and if manufacturing it in India is not cheap, why manufacture it in India where sales volumes are nothing. better to manufacture somewhere else. isn't it?

May be to export. They want to show the skill levels of their Indian Manufacturing. It may not be cheap. Please notice the word "may". It could be cheaper to make it here and export to the markets where there is more demand.

**TheArcher84** · 11-11-2014, 03:49 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

If its made in India, its pricing should be significantly lower than Ninja 650 and Hyosung 650. isn't it..??
otherwise they can simply bring it in CKD, isn't it..??

Looks like , initially its going to be CKD, based on the volume or numbers, HMSI may plan for Made In India, But yeah I4- CKD will be a little expensive compared to N650. IMO

**payeng** · 11-11-2014, 03:54 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

1. To "Manufacture" one needs to develop a Vendor (ones that supply the OEM parts) base
2. The list of parts / vendors required for a product like CBR650F would be large
3. Vendors would need a minimum volume / numbers to be profitable

Food for Thought: Will the CBR650F make enough numbers (even) if manufactured in India and priced at (lets consider) 5-6 lakhs so that the vendors as well as the dealers and manufacturer make enough money?

**rreneav1987** · 11-11-2014, 03:59 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

I dont think he means VFM. He probably means that if Honda costs somewhere around 10 lacs, then Daytona sounds a good option. The reason being track oriented dynamics and performance plus the hardware that it has to offer.

At these price levels VFM is a mythical figure

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

How is D675 more VFM even if Honda 650 costs 10L OTR?

I meant to say that the D675 is a better option at that price point compared to the 650F from Honda

exactly what [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] pointed out

lol VFM for a 10L worth bike

I must be mad if I meant that

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Originally posted by payeng View Post

1. To "Manufacture" one needs to develop a Vendor (ones that supply the OEM parts) base
2. The list of parts / vendors required for a product like CBR650F would be large
3. Vendors would need a minimum volume / numbers to be profitable

Very Valid point..

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Food for Thought: Will the CBR650F make enough numbers (even) if manufactured in India and priced at (lets consider) 5-6 lakhs so that the vendors as well as the dealers and manufacturer make enough money?

Well, they might plan to make India as the Manufacturing point for the CBR650F and export it to other countries.. Just a thought

**payeng** · 11-11-2014, 04:03 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

How is D675 more VFM even if Honda 650 costs 10L OTR?

According to me, the thought of comparing one of the World's Best Super Sport Model with a Middle Weight Street Sports Bike is Blasphemy.

**Divya Sharan** · 11-11-2014, 04:03 PM

Re: Honda to produce CBR650 in India

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

I meant to say that the D675 is a better option at that price point compared to the 650F from Honda

exactly what @chinmayakar pointed out

lol VFM for a 10L worth bike

I must be mad if I meant that

Well, I guess VFM was not a good choice of word in this context.

I should have said "meaningful".
With the thousands of issues in the Daytona with one rider here in BLR, I'd prefer the Honda with an extra cylinder as generally they have better (perceived) reliability.

EDIT - Of course, I can't head to the track as:
1. There are only few, far way!
2. I am a long distance commuter.

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