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  • #16
    Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

    Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
    So, we're getting the international versions with a "few minor variations" to comply with the Indian regulations.
    ARAI's stand also needs to be heard, before we arrive at a conclusion. But you can safely assume you won't hear from them anytime soon on this issue.
    I request members to understand that our Fuel and Riding conditions are not exactly what we would call "Suitable" for imported motorcycles, specially the highly tuned ones from this decade.
    Also, please understand that no company logically wants its customers to be deprived of the best experience. There's a reason for everything.
    And also, every motorcycle has to pass ARAI's testing (except for CBUs).... So, do consider Triumph's point of view too.
    Although, putting Euro specs on the Indian website would be ethically wrong, if proved so.
    Analogy :
    I see an advertisement of a 500 ml coca cola, which is amazingly good, best in taste and whatnot.
    This 500ml coca cola is the same as the EU version coca cola, which has the same added flavours and preservatives to make your stomach rot.
    This 500ml coca cola is passed to the Indian review sites with a new bottle cap and they all extol its virtues.
    On purchasing the coca cola, I find that I've been given 400 ml instead of the 500 ml written on the bottle.
    This is because this 400 ml is "Suitable" for Indian consumers, especially the overweight ones. You see, if we drink the 500ml coke, we're bound to suffer from some horrible indigestion.
    When brought to the attention to Coca Cola, they say that the EU version of coke is different, since Europeans are physically larger, and hence able to drink more coke. Moreover, due to some testing, it is found that Indian stomachs can't cope with the extra 100 ml, so in spite of paying the same amount, or more than that for the 500ml coke you bought, regardless of your indigestion problems, you're given a lesser quantity because Coke thinks that it can get away with it. Moreover, when you question it, you're told to 'read the fine print'. It was always 400 ml. The 500 ml was just something we wrote on the bottle so you would buy the 400ml bottle from us!

    To sum it up : No company logically wants to be deprived of its money, as long as they can get away with it by cheating their customers by saying something on brochures and promising the world all the while selling something that's clearly under-spec in the first place. Please do consider that point of view.

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    • #17
      Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

      The way I see it, it's a clear misrepresentation of facts. And definitely not the way a premium brand like Triumph should treat its customers. As much as I like their bikes, I would be very wary of dealing with an entity that lies outright to its customers. And when it is caught, attempts a cover up under the guise of fine print.

      Even the local Indian lala companies have better business ethics than this!
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      • #18
        Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

        I somehow find it hard to assume that EU testing for motorcycles would be less stringent compared to that of ARAI. I believe the bikes have a different fuel maps, let's dump the map, shall we? I have the stock EU map with me, against which I can compare the Indian one.
        I am back!

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        • #19
          Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

          On the flip side, the options for buyers is down by one. Now what? Kawasaki, Honda, Benelli?
          Ride more, browse less.

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          • #20
            Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

            Guys, in reference to my previous "News Approved" post, I would like to say that I wasn't aware of the situation at ground level, due to not being in constant touch with other cities. I came to know about the wrong claims but through Facebook only.


            Meanwhile, I've been noting Triumph's general behaviour all this time too. I remember reading that Bengaluru's Triumph dealer refused test rides and they have lost few potential customers for inappropriate response, few of whom went on to get the Z800.
            Whatever the root of the problem is, be it dealers or be it their staff-force, Triumph must assume responsibility for this.


            My first post is now edited.
            [MENTION=27122]kochumvk[/MENTION] : Bro, the xbhp community is with you on this... Its now totally clear that wrong claims were made, and to a big extent at that. Let's see what comes out of this. Triumph in their last communication say they are reviewing the matter. Just generally asking out of curiosity, how would you expect Triumph to compensate this?
            [MENTION=63108]AmitRavi07[/MENTION] : Totally agree with you.
            [MENTION=52772]AK3D[/MENTION] : Thanks, the point is received now.


            If there was detuning, they should have come out straight with the fact, just like Hyosung did with their GT 650R, when it was launched.
            Hyosung didn't hide this fact, so why should Triumph?
            I detest this kind of claims by Triumph on Facebook, personally, other media, etc. and not delivering what it promised.
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            • #21
              Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

              Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
              Guys, in reference to my previous "News Approved" post, I would like to say that I wasn't aware of the situation at ground level, due to not being in constant touch with other cities. I came to know about the wrong claims but through Facebook only.


              Meanwhile, I've been noting Triumph's general behaviour all this time too. I remember reading that Bengaluru's Triumph dealer refused test rides and they have lost few potential customers for inappropriate response, few of whom went on to get the Z800.
              Whatever the root of the problem is, be it dealers or be it their staff-force, Triumph must assume responsibility for this.


              My first post is now edited.
              @kochumvk : Bro, the xbhp community is with you on this... Its now totally clear that wrong claims were made, and to a big extent at that. Let's see what comes out of this. Triumph in their last communication say they are reviewing the matter. Just generally asking out of curiosity, how would you expect Triumph to compensate this?
              @AmitRavi07 : Totally agree with you.
              @AK3D : Thanks, the point is received now.


              If there was detuning, they should have come out straight with the fact, just like Hyosung did with their GT 650R, when it was launched.
              Hyosung didn't hide this fact, so why should Triumph?
              I detest this kind of claims by Triumph on Facebook, personally, other media, etc. and not delivering what it promised.

              Thanks for the support Samarth.

              As an owner I am facing following issues:

              1. Triumph is not a trustworthy brand. They treats their customers in the most pathetic way.
              2. A low spec bike will detch low price in used bike market.
              3. Buying an 85 HP bike for 9L is foolish. So they will not be able to sell much in India.
              4. This may result to price slash of Street with this spec.
              5. Homologated bike is 78HP. Triumph will not be able to sell 105 HP st3 in India legally.
              6. Most importantly Triumph india refused to accept their grave, unethical business practice. And put the responsibility back on the customer.


              British manufacturer should remember that India is not under crown rule any more. And we have all the proof to take Triumph India to justice. and few more on the way.
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              • #22
                Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                Guys, in reference to my previous "News Approved" post, I would like to say that I wasn't aware of the situation at ground level, due to not being in constant touch with other cities. I came to know about the wrong claims but through Facebook only.
                @AK3D : Thanks, the point is received now.
                I detest this kind of claims by Triumph on Facebook, personally, other media, etc. and not delivering what it promised.
                Thank you for being so supportive of the biking community. The earlier post was an analogy about how Triumph were cheating Indian buyers by promising them something in advertisements and elsewhere and then giving something else. We were (wrongly as it were) mistaken as to the intent behind your original post, since you didn't know of this fast developing situation.
                All in all, as you said, if it was the detuned version being sold, there was no shame in it and they should have stated facts. Blatantly lying to buyers and selling their products by misrepresenting them is unethical and illegal any way one looks at it. They can't hide behind the 'read the fine print' disclaimer that's being shoved down everyone's throats.

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                • #23
                  Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                  I saw a link today where Triumph said that it was just a confusion let say example that people was thinking ST is 105BHP, but it was 79PS from the beginning as per they launched it in India under TRAI regulations, now the question arrive how the hell this confusion was there why Triumph did come and corrected it where every was from every mag and show was telling the wrong spec of the bike, its not possible at all.
                  What ever is the case its a very big stane on Triumph image, eve buyer would be thinking like cheated and now this new power output took ST our of competition in terms of BHP...
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                  • #24
                    Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                    This is a case of fraud and blatant cheating by Triumph. I never expected this from a brand like this. I am sure that many potential buyers would stay away from Triumph atleast for now. I would never trust a company that lies to and cheats their customers.
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                    • #25
                      Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                      Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post
                      This is a case of fraud and blatant cheating by Triumph. I never expected this from a brand like this. I am sure that many potential buyers would stay away from Triumph atleast for now. I would never trust a company that lies to and cheats their customers.
                      +1 to that. I don't know of others, but, I was all set to book a red ST. Was just waiting(thank you lord) to see if the long-term bike owners had any serious issues to deal with. Now I will steer clear of the looser brand (sorry to all the Triumph owners, its directed at the brand).
                      Close shave I would say.
                      Last edited by AmitRavi07; 11-29-2014, 11:53 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                        This is very unethical, unprofessional from a reputed company like Triumph.
                        When Triumph opened their showroom in Bangalore, i visited their showroom with curiosity how Bonneville looks and whether it suits my height, because of my short height. Along with Bonneville I sat on street triple and ever since i was mightily impressed by the bike. I was planning to buy this bike for me in future and everyday while going to office via residency road used to look at those bikes in showroom and dream of owning street triple in near future.
                        Now after coming to know that Triumph is selling detuned bikes in India and worst affected is street triple, I am heavily disappointed from the day I have read this new in Facebook and websites. Mos of the bikers buy these premium once or twice in lifetime, more than money it is kind of passion for bikers. Triumph India is playing with customers by hiding the facts. when truth is out they are not apologetic and blaming the customers also.
                        Have to wait and see what Triumph India comes up with, hopefully it ends with happy note for all existing Triumph customers and also for prospective buyers in future. With my height I have very limited options to go for other manufactures bike.

                        Praveen S

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                        • #27
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                          • #28
                            Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                            Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                            Guys, in reference to my previous "News Approved" post, I would like to say that I wasn't aware of the situation at ground level, due to not being in constant touch with other cities. I came to know about the wrong claims but through Facebook only.


                            Meanwhile, I've been noting Triumph's general behaviour all this time too. I remember reading that Bengaluru's Triumph dealer refused test rides and they have lost few potential customers for inappropriate response, few of whom went on to get the Z800.
                            Whatever the root of the problem is, be it dealers or be it their staff-force, Triumph must assume responsibility for this.


                            My first post is now edited.
                            @kochumvk : Bro, the xbhp community is with you on this... Its now totally clear that wrong claims were made, and to a big extent at that. Let's see what comes out of this. Triumph in their last communication say they are reviewing the matter. Just generally asking out of curiosity, how would you expect Triumph to compensate this?
                            @AmitRavi07 : Totally agree with you.
                            @AK3D : Thanks, the point is received now.


                            If there was detuning, they should have come out straight with the fact, just like Hyosung did with their GT 650R, when it was launched.
                            Hyosung didn't hide this fact, so why should Triumph?
                            I detest this kind of claims by Triumph on Facebook, personally, other media, etc. and not delivering what it promised.
                            I think triumph should return money proportionate to bhp reduced with atleast 10-15% of total amount of the bike for misleading customers...
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                            • #29
                              Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                              It would have been interesting to see an Indian Manufacturer (like Mahindra - Tata) selling "DE-TUNED" or "India spec" vehicles in U.K. and their reaction after the discovery.
                              I am sure they would have been blacklisted.

                              Only in our own country we pay double the money (thanks to our Govt.) to get a bike of our dreams to ride on shitty roads (again thanks to our Govt.) and make "CONFUSIONS" . AFAIK this is corruption of the highest order .
                              And wait even our own desi manufactures (read Mahindra, Tata, Enfield) have a different yardstick for quality for Indian customers.

                              Come on guys why are we taking this shit lying down again and again . Do we need another Bhopal or East India company?

                              To me it was a blatant lie and almost a blasphemy . Lets teach them a lesson, never for any manufacturer to repeat this again. A person alone did that in the other BHP forum against Skoda - and here we have so many owners.

                              P.S. - When we call "Biking brotherhood" , lets support our brothers and stand up - its high time.

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                              • #30
                                Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

                                Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post
                                I think triumph should return money proportionate to bhp reduced with atleast 10-15% of total amount of the bike for misleading customers...

                                Bhp reduced is over 25%.

                                Owners will not like to have a partial refund.
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