Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

They might not have. But they did sold bikes without changing the brochures and specs. People bought on that premise. And conditions apply does not cover goof ups. At some point they thought they could get away with it. And that is where them thinking us as fools arise from. And they might not be racists but they definitely acted like ones. You have a better explanation? Or a better line to get this issue noticed back in their home? Go with that. It be cool.

Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

[MENTION=23793]mod[/MENTION]s / forum owner / big shots:
Being "India's most popular motorcycling portal" why doesn't xbhp take up such issues directly with the manufacturer and get a response from them or tear them apart like the mainstream media does when they get a chance at something ? Or have they tried already?
You guys have the upper hand at getting exclusive test rides, invites to launches etc... so why not butt in to this issue and see what you as auto journalists can do ? I think every auto magazine in India should carry this story on their front page. Put on a caption like "Triumph Fails" (pun intended) on the cover page and run a story!

Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

I think there has been quite a bit of negative publicity already for triumph in high end biking segment in india.

Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?


Because this is how it works I assume there are many people who understand what EC means, or at least someone might have googled it out of curiosity in the last one year. Since EC indicates that these are European specifications then I would rightfully assume that the motorcycle I'm being sold in India is a Euro spec motorcycle without questioning or having any suspicion in my mind. And this is exactly, as it appears, what people believed or led to believe. Otherwise, why should a company show EU specifications when these are Brazilian/Japanese specifications?

It's simple, they make their motorcycles look worthy at their cost when they are not actually and capitalized on it to get whatever sales they have had so far.

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Can't agree more. Triumph India should come forward to every customer rather than the other way round.

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Now that is a very valid argument there mate!

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Fair point. But if you would have noticed, every car manufacturer, especially the ones who get their vehicles as CBU, run a small disclaimer that says Vehicles sold in India could be of different specification. Also, if your logic is none of us bothered to look the internet, then what were the frigging Auto mags doing? Or even this site? The public might be stupid and according to you Triumph cleanly but smartly exploited it, but how come everyone was stating the wrong figure. What were auto journos doing? Isn't it their job to point out? Either they were more than happy to go with this or even they didn't know. Which is a far bigger can of worms don't you think?

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Posting my earlier post in a similar thread(Since this seems to be the right place)

Let's discuss what the learning from this fiasco should be :

a. So called developed countries' manufacturers should start giving a damn about India in terms of Quality and not just in terms of minting money. They very well line up on our shores when it comes to making profit but still seem to think they can get away by supplying anything.

b. The Indian automotive industry and regulating authority should become more aware and press for mandatory and precise checking of the automobiles sold in our country. Manufacturers should be made to attach proper proofs like Dyno run reports along with the brochures etc to support their claims for their vehicles.

c. Indian automotive magazines should take this as a wake-up call and invest in precise and more involving reviews. Do track and Dyno runs of vehicles, clock decent kms on the Odo and then only open your mouth to praise/criticize a product. If they say Dyno/track runs are expensive to do , then sorry but that should be your investment. Any tom,dick and harry can review a bike with just words and pics.

d. By standing strong against Triumph, Indian buyers should make sure that no such thing happens in the future. If we pay for something (and we pay way more owing to our tax structure), we should get exactly the same thing. Period.

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Yup... To me it does seem a clear case of taking everyone for a ride, everyone, including sales persons who are working at various Triumph showrooms. Intentionally or unintentionally. I would rephrase my earlier point into this - "Since EC indicates that these are European specifications then everyone would rightfully assume that the motorcycle they're being sold in India is a Euro spec motorcycle without questioning or having any suspicion in their minds".

I believe this is a general mindset of people everywhere in the world in the absence of a clear disclaimer like the one you have mentioned in your post. Hence, this is not people's fault. Triumph exploited this mindset and made fool out of people. Why did any auto mag not try to find this out earlier is anybody's guess. May be everybody has become a victim of broken trust in this case.

Triumph played everyone.

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And nothing is going to happen to them !!

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A positive update from B. U Bhandari Triumph,Pune!

My friend's Street Triple has been upgraded to 106 PS! Arrow exhaust and mapping. I think he has to pay some money[~10k] for the parts and he gets a 106PS bike.
In addition, the company has given him gift coupons of 1.5 lakhs! In which he can buy accessories from Triumph.

So I guess that is a good gesture from Triumph!

Edit: The bike just flies now! It has become quite fast! And responsive!

Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

now that sounds good

Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

gift coupons will make owners happy and is best way between. Those who want performance could use them for other power upgrades , others could get some bling or safety things.

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Is the mapping same as the UK mapping configs?? And how only by adding exhaust and mapping he is getting 106PS. Hope it proves correct atleast on a dyno test.
And those 1.5lacs coupon is a good compensation sort of, but is it for all customers all round the nation!!!

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Some parts are changed internally. Hence he has to pay ~10k. I will get the details. He also gets an arrow exhaust and maps.Which makes it louder. With a quickshifter. The cost of Arrow is included the 1.5L gift coupon.

The owner has to sign a form accepting that the bike is illegal due to modifications. And outside of ARAI's regulations. The 106 PS Street Triple will never be passed by ARAI. All the new street triples remain at 79 PS.