Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

Now, xBHP member ‘nitrosatya’ has shared that the British based iconic manufacturer is offering 3 solutions to the first lot of Street Triple owners in a bid to restore the lost goodwill.
Did you share it with them ??

Re: All Triumph Motorcycles Sold in India are Detuned .. ?

Not everyone is like you... I didn't came here to brag but my YouTube Channel has 4.2 lakh views and I average some 2500 views per day. I posted the video because YouTube videos can not be modified after upload and it serves as proof that I did suggest it first on 27th November ahead of all other magazines.
Now add X amount of lol to prove that you are a smart.
and reply.

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Thats not entirely true.
Rule is same for an Individual or a company ( a registered company is treated as Individual in eyes of Law).
selling K&n or exhaust is not prohibited because , laws are for Public roads. Owners can have private roads / tracks where they want to use their vehicle.

Legal way of employing aftermarket stuff is by getting Inspection done by RTO after modifications ( like they do for 4 wheeled activas for differently abled people) and endorsing changes in Registration certificate. ( Like getting a CNG kit endrosed in RC).

Police and RTO does not bother most of the time Because they can made answerable to a court for a Challan they did on a vehicle. Court will ask How did Police wala measured Decible level or pollution lever of the vehicle.
But ofcourse No one messes with police in india , If they cant prove noise levels , they can certainly prove rash driving and hampering Police officer from his duty , endangering lives , running without Number plates and several others. Even after winning the case , the most an owner will get is - get his vehicle back after eating dust in a thana for 2 years
More over for the total vehicular population of India , modded vehicles will be far less than 0.1%. Guess it isnt a big enough problem to attend .

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Buddy, you have to go through your earlier post. I am sure your intention was not so, but, the post comes out as smug and makes it like you are part of the company or rather pro-company. That is hitting the already fragged nerve endings of owners and members who do not believe that a proper recompense has been made by company. Maybe thats why you are getting so many quotes.

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so many 'lols' ? there was just one at the beginning and i am not trying to be intelligent, if you thought so then so be it.
You say such after market mods are allowed ? I am sure you have heard of the R15 daytona kit. Do you know what it says ? It clearly mentioned by Yamaha that it is ONLY FOR TRACK USE (closed circuit) i.e. not street legal -- Atleast they provide it as a upgrade from track and not like triumph to misquote figures and cover up.

Nothing will stop owners from riding it on the street, but that is ILLEGAL and you could be in trouble if the police decided to. Even free flow exhausts are illegal. It is not just pollution checks, there is also something called sound levels that must be adhered to, and a whole lot of legalities involved.
And bumping up the power by that much is definitely beyond border line of legality.

Do you know that something as simple as changing the color of your automobile requires you to inform the RTO and make the change in your RC ?

So if a company is itself doing such mods and having the owner sign a form, then what stops from say some random individual filing a case against the owner (if he rides it on the road) or if it is involved in a crash or something. Insurance and stuff is going be a legal hassle.
What is more important in this case is that "there is a document that clearly says it is not street legal which has been signed by the owner"
So if Mr.X has signed such a declaration, then what stops me from harassing (like legal etc..) Mr.X if he is found using it on the road ? The manufacturer Triumph will be on the safe side, but not the owner.
Can you ask your friend to get RTO/police clearance for his mod ?
IMO, This is a simple back door exit by triumph by putting all the risk on the owner..

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Your suggestions are fine, but IMO the way it is being accomplished by triumph is NOT right. doesn't matter if your channel has a half a million views or whatever, that is the simple fact, you are free to think otherwise and post more videos. And if you want people to prove they are 'smart' pls let us know if there is test or something we can take to prove it to you.
I think i will stop here at this discussion, unless a owner has something to say about it.

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Look at your first post yourself. It does comes across that you're here either to brag or to take credit about whatever you feel you're entitled to, which honestly doesn't matter to anyone who has been affected by this Triumph fiasco. Secondly, it's hardly a matter of argument that whoever suggested or thought about this so called solution in the first place.. I mean, really!!

Thirdly, this is not a solution, this is Triumph washing their hands off by simply playing with the owners' psyche by making the motorcycle powerful that in turn makes it illegal so that eventually they are not going to be the ones with fingers pointed at if anything goes wrong later. Do you even think this is a viable solution?!

Also, Triumph is not under any obligation to upgrade the power of the motorcycles back to EU specs. They can and they will continue to sell motorcycles like this. What they should do is publicly apologize for misleading everyone in India and present a buy-back offer to the affected customers. I'm not sure if they have made any such sensible offer yet. Hence, this so called solution. I doubt that you even understand the real problem if you even suggested this solution!

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Is there a way of getting legal 106 tune in India and still passing ARAI tests? I think not. So now that leaves us (the owners) very few options:

1- Cash out and move on
2- Power up and accept some goodies on top
3- Fight it out in court

Most (including me) have taken either option 1 or 2, few brave ones are going to fight out. Talk about indemnity etc is all on paper, infact even on paper (that most are signing) does NOT hold any value in court of law. Right now its an attempt to correct a seriously stupid situation and trying to win back some loyalty based on some gentlemen agreements. Atleast that is what i would term it at best.

Edit: There is a buy back option, or an upgrade but financially that is kind of lame.

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I am 100% sure that you have not played the video. That is why you are calling me Pro company. I have called them fraud on record. And then sent the video to them. By the way, most people here are very quick to judge. like someone assumed I am here to get a few views. The video clearly says this is fraud. It also says lawsuits coming up.
Now I wasn't aware that this indemnity bond states that the bike is illegal for road use. If that be the case, then this solution is not acceptable. I thought it simply said that the individual wants these mods.
lastly give the Daytona kit a rest. Have you guys heard of Two brothers, SC project, Akrapovik, Yoshimura etc?... All of them make slip on exhausts which are road legal and are used in Europe where laws are much stricter.
Finally what Triumph is done is considered consumer fraud. Because the brochure says it's got 106 PS. I am a Duke 390 rider and I was looking at Triumph street as my next upgrade. That is why I feel for this issue. If it goes to lawsuit, the consumer court will at max say buy the used bike back from the owners at full new price point. That is why they have given buy back option. And court might also ask to pay additional damages. But that won't be much.
I think they should apologize and buy back the bikes. (I don't think offering a road illegal mod is good) - I wasn't aware of the content of the bond. (I accept my mistake)

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The same EU spec has 106 tune Street Triple also perfectly road legal, but that did not clear the indian CMVR. Food for thought.

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In addition to the aforementioned three options. There is one more option. Came to know just now.


(here are many offers to the owners:
1-Sell the bike to Triumph and get back money.

2-Take 1.5 Lakhs worth accessories and pay ~10k for making it 106PS. The cost of Arrow exhaust and maps will be included in this sum. Which I was told will be ~60k. Sign an indemnity form to accept the modifications.

3-Upgrade the bike to 106 PS. [I think without the money back.] Sign an indemnity form to accept the modifications. Which are out of ARAI rules.

The parts that will be changed are:

Airbox ducts,
Vacuum pipe [where is that?],
Arrow mapping on the ecu,
Arrow exhaust.)

4- A Cashback of 1 lakh rupees without any modification whatsoever.

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Incorrect. They may be legal in EU or other developed countries. They certainly are not legal here. Our laws are more strict. For example: the Akrapovic exhaust system for KTM 390/200 are available across the globe, but not here. Its a KTM power part to be sold only by KTM. Why are they not selling here? its illegal

We just fail to implement it or the respective authorities choose to look the other way.

I wonder how HD and Triumph are getting away with installing the same on the bikes. Are they communicating to the customer that the modification is illegal?

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The best option according to me for all the unhappy owners.

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Not strict, they are archaic, they apply same logic to 50cc commuter to 1000cc SBK and hence we are left with few options, esp off the counter.

Regarding communication, yes dealers are supposed to. Simple white paper stating we have explained the installation and the customer is aware of it. Some (dealers) do it, some never took it seriously. Henceforth most would insist, get ready to sign a paper for asking dealer to remove the saree guard from your 650 cc bike

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All the ARAI norms stand for bikes less than 800cc. Which need to be homologated. CKD

Harleys and Japanese bikes above 800cc do not need to modify any part for certification. CBU

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If you are referring to my earlier post, my intention was to convey how things work. Not the exact CC By the way they still have an ARAI certificate that states what is published in website, the 800 cc plus i saw for the big ninja.