Re: Honda unveils the CBR250RR in Indonesia!

Its competing with the RC250, Ninja 250 and R25. Not the 300s. The 300 variant will arrive later on.
Don't know why Overdrive asks Guleria the obvious question of if a 250cc market model will arrive in India or not. Its like asking Bajaj if they can sell the Duke/RC 125 and Duke/RC 250 in India. The answer is an obvious no.

This guy who was present at the launch says the bike makes more power than both the 36ps R25 and the 32ps Ninja 250 FI(their version of Ninja 300) so the International magazines are guessing it to be around 38ps:



Again, this bike is only selling in 3 countries I know of, Indonesia, Japan and Turkey where 250cc limits apply.



Edit: Here's a ram-air system, at first I thought it was a marketing gimmick but there are functional vents behind the fairing:

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So does this mean a 300 variant of the CBR superspot RR is quite obvious to be released in our country? Just like the Yamaha did with the R25 and R3?

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99% Yes. Rest Honda knows ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

If 38bhp for 250cc is true then my 99% would go in favour of Honda not launching a new 300. So much confusion

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Can't say for sure. All depends on Mr.Guleria and his suits. They have nothing to lose really. A monthly target of 20-30 units like the 650F wouldn't be too far fetched. But yeah it will be 60-80k more than the R3 so there's that.

I heard via a Pakistani biker page on fb that the bike was launched there this week for 9.5 lakh PKR which is 6.05 lakhs INR. Sure the Pakistani import prices differ from ours but its still going to be way expensive in the price bracket. Er-6F territory money for a 300 especially in a country like ours where the average biker says hp/displacement is king.

The only pro in bringing the 300 now is that their 250R production line will only need minor changes(cosmetics+few engine components both at vendor side) and it can somewhat turn around the 250R's sales numbers for a year or two.

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but... CBR250RR or CBR300R won't be hitting Indian markets at all. This news was confirmed by YS Guleria, senior VP, HMSI during the inauguration of Honda’s 100th best deal outlet in Mumbai. The main reason not to launch the CBR250RR in India is due to Honda’s focus on expanding its presence in the mass market segment – scooters and motorcycles. And part of this plan is to upgrade its entire range to meet BS-IV emission norms. The Hornet 160R was the first Honda bike to be equipped with the BS-IV engine late last year.
As part of Honda’s plan, it will update 14 products to meet this emission norm that’ll come in effect on April 1, 2017. So in short, launching bikes in the premium category like the CBR250RR or the CBR300R is not Honda’s priority as it doesn’t get them volumes. The Japanese manufacturer believes that instead of putting effort on introducing such bikes in the Indian market, it would rather use the same effort and time in launching a product that will get them volumes.
So if you’re one of those who are looking for some action in Honda’s quarter-litre segment, well, expect more paint schemes and decals on the slow selling CBR250R, and nothing more.


Source: bikewale.com news

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I'm yet to see a quote from Guleria saying some of the words these articles have been stating lately. Especially a quote for this part verbatim "The Japanese manufacturer believes that instead of putting effort on introducing such bikes in the Indian market, it would rather use the same effort and time in launching a product that will get them volumes".

Feels like the article writer cooked up some lines on his own. I've stated from day one and atleast 5 times in this thread alone that the 250RR is for 3-4 countries where 250cc cap applies.

Overdrive asking the obvious question of if the 250RR will launch or not is like asking Mr.Bajaj if the RC250 will launch or not. They're market specific models. Even the EU or the NA aren't getting it (or they've not announced so far). Does that mean Honda will not want to capitalize on the 300cc twin market there? No.

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Honda unveiled the CB250RR, (naked version of the CBR250rr) along with the CB650 (naked version of the 650f)
check it at 01:35

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Oh common, thats the naked of the CBR500R, the CB500F
Google up

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My bad, misread the title completely.

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India won't get this. haha.

We'll still continue to only have access to the third world looking Honda 250.
It's pathetic to see the (snails pace) development of motorcycles in a country like India.

It's genuinely disheartening to see the bikes that are available internationally and the bikes that are available locally to citizens of this country.

Bajaj came out with a 'fat tyre' Caliber and everyone went bonkers!
Then in 2002 they came out with a single cylinder Pulsar 180.

I have been on xBHP since 2002 ish. From the time when the owner of this website and bajajpulsar.com had a photograph of his Silver Pulsar 180 with a modified 'twin' exhaust. 15 years later, Bajaj still only seems interested in producing 180/200 motorcycles. Other manufactures too.

The bikes this country have been the same. 100/115/135/150/165/180/200/220 (All with low levels of tech)


Why in the world doesn't the government not lift the HIGH import taxes?
Taxes that are put in place to protect and encourage local manufacturers coz they don't seem to be interested in truly developing proper world class motorcycle.

Bajaj, TVS, Suzuki, Hero, Honda are still run by bald losers who like tucking in their tees into their pants.

It's no wonder most of the Superbikes in this country are acquired thru illegal methods. Sad but true!

Why would a hardworking citizen want to pay more than double the actual value for a motorcycle? (And the country won't develop proper roads to ride it on either)


The CBR250RR won't ever reach india. I weep for this country.
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A cocktail of hard hitting truth and rant.

I don't think lifting the import taxes is the way.
We are relatively far behind when it comes to proper infrastructure for running even quarter liter single cylinder bikes. So one can ask the question that:- Why in the world would someone acquire a SUPERBIKE let alone legal/illegal in this country ?

Personally, i do feel that it is fair to protect the local manufacturers interest.
And as far as the question of paying double the price of the actual worth arises then i think we do that everytime and everyday when we go out and splurge on a lavish dinner or buy those classy shoes/ clothing or top end handsets and what not


Cheers.

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Let me just say... there a lot of motorcyclists in India who are passionate about motorcycles and would love to have access to a Honda CBR200RR or other bike.

But so many people here will never realize their dream during their lifetime.

I gave up waiting for local manufacturers to do something long ago, and I've had a I4 Honda 400RR that cost me a little more than an RC390.

And now a CBR 954RR that costs less than a Kawasaki ER6N.

That's my point. Who in the world has the patience to wait for the Indian market to develop?

I have one life to live. I never wanted to want until I was 30/40 to own a SBK.


I'm not asking to lift the import tax simply to make proper bikes more affordable.

I'm asking to lift the ban because it was put in place to protect local manufacturers.

Local manufacters have proved over the last 12-13 years that they have neither the interest nor the expertise to develop anything more than single cylinder engines.

Inline Fours are probably something we won't see by an Indian manufacturer for another 20 years. Maybe more. Maybe ever.

So If the import tax % is dropped, it has nothing to do with local manufacturers business being threatened.

We are relatively behind in a lot of other stuff too. That doesn't mean those things should be priced a more than double.

There are more than enough roads in this country to ride a SBK. There a few sure, but that's all the more reason it feels like you're being robbed when the government wants to impose such a high tax on motorcycles.

Like I mentioned, I was pointing out to the fact that locals manufacturers have not (in the last 15 years) proved that they have the slightest interest in developing something like an Inline Four engine or anything that resembles true modern tech.

Except for maybe putting three Spark Plugs in a single cylinder motorcycle.

I never said paying the price of the actual WORTH...

I was talking about paying more than double of the actual MARKET VALUE compared to other countries.

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I am 100% agree with you. when will I see Indian company produce two, three and four cylinders motor in India? Bajaj, TVS and Hero long tie-up with Japanese companies and yet not able to produce same level motor. even during that tie-up period, Indian companies was not bother to set-up advance R&D division in India for next generation bike.

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Hi

We are going OT but since the bike is not coming here anyways and just for argument sake i would like to reply.

Although i get the sentiments behind the post and myself would also love to own parallel twins/ triples/ I4 at the cost of singles but I Can't, because currently i don't have that kind of hard earned money to throw away at a selfish boyish dream to own a two wheeler to ride at those FEW roads you mentioned.

There is a lot more to the tax structure of a country than you and i can fathom. (unless you are an economist)
The bans/ higher tax may be there for more than one reason.(economical/ social/ environmental etc)
Apart from the interest of the local manufacturers the very apparent reason is the Revenues.
If i may be so bold i can include the 100% duties under Sin taxes like the ones on tobacco & alcohol.
Furthermore, the policies which once have come in effect are harder to reform or cancel even if they are inefficient eg. Reservations


I'm glad that you got to live your dream of owning I4 but would have felt better if it had been acquired legally. So a hard working citizen may not want to pay the extra dough but a hardworking responsible citizen definitely pays the taxes - be it direct or indirect.

And as far as the local manufacturers are concerned then i think they are doing fine selling their low/high tech bikes to us and others in the world. Demand - supply cycle at work i guess. And i have a little more faith in them so even if they come out with I4 after 20 years, i would gladly and cautiously ride it in my humble 50's



Cheers.

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A hardworking responsible citizen already pays taxes as soon as he gets his salary the he pays taxes for the food he eats with remaining salary (farmers dont benefit do they?) then i pay additional taxes for the vehicle i buy and drive so that i can work to pay all these taxes and the fuel it uses then i pay taxes for the highways/roads i use because the roads are too shitty to drive ironically.. plus the various other taxes be it for medicines or healthcare. Tell me now do the costs we pay justify the products we recieve in the end. Imo i dont think so. Thays why you find not even half the population pays their taxes.. If you are taking taxes you need to show for it too. Once that starts happening i dont think so honest citizens would mind paying the taxes..