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  • #46
    Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

    Originally posted by Kaushik Iyer View Post
    The Fz's wheel while looks like has broken similarly to the RS it there's a stark difference to the way these wheels have broken. (check the FZ original thread)

    The Fz's wheel there's hardly any symmetry in the way the wheel's broken, one end the spoke has broken right thru taking a part of the rim, the other has broken a little above & some at the edge of the join to the rim. Whereas there's almost a perfect symmetry in the RS wheel. Hence it's no point in relating this Fz wheel failure issue as an accident and extrapolate it to the RS incident.
    I don't get it. Are we trying to prove a point here? Its a one off case and the statement by Bajaj is not their final report and they never said it was an acciedent like you concluded, they just said an alloy wheel failing like this happens only in case of accidents. Let them investigate. This can happen with any product, the alloy might have been damaged while shipping or at a dealer level or may be the owner did in fact try something fancy.


    I am not pointing my fingers at anyone and may the rider recover soon but we guys are acting like we are being paid to defame a company. Coming to your point and I am no expert but you cannot make out whatever you did just by looking at the picture and reading what you did. There are a lot of people out there who would try to give you a completely different picture of what actually happened. This is the only reported case for an RS FYI.

    Other pictures like a broken handle bar circulating on the internet, just notice the bar end weights... I won't say more. God! I am actually acting like a lawyer hired by Bajaj

    So be patient and don't draw conclusions until you are very sure about the info being shared by you. Bajaj may be at fault but you never know..
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    • #47
      Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

      Originally posted by DukeDey View Post
      1: I don't get it. Are we trying to prove a point here?

      2: Its a one off case

      3: may be the owner did in fact try something fancy.


      4: I am not pointing my fingers at anyone
      Yes sir. We indeed are. The duke 390 issue has been quite old, and Bajaj should have taken note then and there.

      2: Three-off case. All of them similarly broken, at the same joints.




      3 and 4: Contradictory statements.

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      • #48
        Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

        So be patient and don't draw conclusions until you are very sure about the info being shared by you. Bajaj may be at fault but you never know..

        That is exactly what I'm trying to say... If you read my other post too you'll know what I'm saying. My response was to both the factions of the group where some are simply trying to blame bajaj & the other trying to in a subtle way pointing at the rider's fault. My observations & conclusions were simply on how/ why the wheel could've broken. Defects are a part of life - is another faction group.... But I belong to that group either esp when its about highly critical components like wheels.

        All I'm saying is, use your own observations and decide for yourself rather than believing in any one story.
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        • #49
          Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

          Originally posted by deejayrox View Post
          It is inevitable that any product will have its initial share of niggles and failures, even after the product is tested extensively in Leh/ Ladakh or even Antartica. This is especially true for Automobiles and we have seen it in almost all new releases from any manufacturer. Be it Honda, Yamaha, Maruti, BMW, whatever. It is a price early adoptors have to pay for initial novelty factor. This is even more true for items that are cast or forged (like wheels), because the dynamics change tremendously in volume production versus batch production.
          That being said the pictures here are showing something pretty serious. But before pointing fingers at Bajaj, we need to inderstand all other aspects like Tyre pressure at the time of failure etc.
          What ate you talking."]It is inevitable that any product will have its initial share of niggles and failures"

          Brother there is no excuse for such mistakes.This is not the 1st time on Bajaj bikes.Common.How would someone feel if in such a situation.Never ever support such things in favor.Its their responsibility how they do it.We are not here to risk our lives for it.

          ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

          Originally posted by Nithesh View Post
          I wonder if this thing is in any way related to the first few owners here in the ownership threads(esp a guy from Bangalore iirc) who took their delivery of the bike and found something wrong with the brakes. Cannot remember what the issue was but i think it had something to do with the jammed calipers? They went back to the dealership and got it fixed it via the mechanic. Permanent fix or temporary i'm not sure. Didn't follow it up. Maybe the owners who had brake related issues can verify.
          Yes i also remember.I believe it was the rear brake.Also when he was not there the mechanic replaced it in like 5 minutes.

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          • #50
            Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

            I am well aware bro. I myself was a Duke 390 owner. One off case when it comes to RS. Bajaj has already taken care of issues with KTM alloys, haven't they? They announced stronger set of wheels on the new bikes. Also, in this case we are not even sure if it's an issue with the alloy or it was misused before or some freak accident somewhere else which may have compromised the alloys strength.

            All I am asking is to be patient and not to draw conclusions.

            FYI Duke 390 and RS 200 are two different bikes from different price segment so comparison is not fair when it comes to even discussing same parts. KTM alloys are may be manufactured keeping light weight in mind.

            Finally, if its actually an issue with the alloys then Bajaj should take immediate action and replace the alloys of all the existing bikes and take responsibilty of the current accident and any other case, if it happens in the future.

            ....level or may be the owner did in fact
            3 and 4: Contradictory statements: Did you read a may be in my post? That's not pointing someone out...take a chill pill mate
            Last edited by DukeDey; 07-24-2015, 03:54 PM.
            Why 2wheels over 4.....
            Its because 'Whatever it is, it's better in the wind!'

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            • #51
              Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

              Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
              And despite so much happening, I have yet to see a proper incident of such kind live, with me or in my city KTM group
              let's hope you dont !

              Originally posted by MG View Post
              As is clearly evident from the fact that in the above picture there is hardly any damage elsewhere on the bike
              The disc is badly bent and so are the forks on the fz. On the RS, it doesn't seem so (at least looking at the pics)
              This to me definitely seems to be a defect in the alloy.. I wouldn't be surprised if what [MENTION=12377]Lingeshsaikumar[/MENTION] says is true.
              I remember speaking to a ktm exec and when guys were complaining about the brake, gear levers bending/breaking at slightest impacts/falls.. he said that ktm focuses a lot on weight reduction down to grams all around and hence these parts would be light weight and obviously break more easily than say something on a splendor or a rx100 (i've had the gear lever on my rx100 'unbent' a zillion times and it never broke). Now this is ok, but what doesn't seem right is maybe they are overlooking, improper testing of the structural strength (or whatever it is called in mechanical terms) of alloy wheels and other critical components. I do remember watching some videos where they show how alloys are manufactured and tested (xray etc..)
              And I am not surprised at Bajaj's reply to this case.. I doubt they will be doing a proper investigation etc.. Such a quick reply by just inspection doesn't inspire much confidence to me.

              On another note, a month ago I was at the svc getting my duke200 serviced when I noticed a guy driving in with his d200. He had been thru a pothole at around 100kmph and the front wheel had a bend and crack on the rim.. none of the spokes broke. The bend/crack was in the area between two spokes, maybe if the impact was at the joint of the spokes, the spokes might have shattered ! The poor guy was very thankful that it dint disintegrate. Bumped in to the same guy again yesterday.. he has had the rim replaced with a new one from the 390 !!
              I do own a duke200 and though i've been thru potholes and speed bumps at speeds of around 70kmph without any issues so far, seeing these pics does scare me a bit !

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              • #52
                Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                Originally posted by DukeDey View Post
                I am well aware bro. I myself was a Duke 390 owner. One off case when it comes to RS. Bajaj has already taken care of issues with KTM alloys, haven't they? They announced stronger set of wheels on the new bikes. Also, in this case we are not even sure if it's an issue with the alloy or it was misused before or some freak accident somewhere else which may have compromised the alloys strength.

                All I am asking is to be patient and not to draw conclusions.

                FYI Duke 390 and RS 200 are two different bikes from different price segment so comparison is not fair when it comes to even discussing same parts. KTM alloys are may be manufactured keeping light weight in mind.

                Finally, if its actually an issue with the alloys then Bajaj should take immediate action and replace the alloys of all the existing bikes and take responsibilty of the current accident and any other case, if it happens in the future.

                ....level or may be the owner did in fact
                3 and 4: Contradictory statements: Did you read a may be in my post? That's not pointing someone out...take a chill pill mate

                Wow. I did not know that.

                Anyways. The point is, even if they are different bikes, the alloys are almost the same, and sourced, possibly, from the same manufacturer, or built themselves.
                I dont care if the breakage happens on a 200RS or a D390 or a Discover 150. It is the manufacturer's duty to provide a product that os not inherently lacking in any manner.

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                • #53
                  Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                  Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                  Anyways. The point is, even if they are different bikes, the alloys are almost the same, and sourced, possibly, from the same manufacturer, or built themselves.I dont care if the breakage happens on a 200RS or a D390 or a Discover 150. It is the manufacturer's duty to provide a product that os not inherently lacking in any manner.
                  I don't know why you even bother trying to explain to these brand fanatics. People wont change their biases because some stranger said so.Reminds me of when i bought my bike in 08 and complained about excessive vibes. I had over 10 years of riding experience then with various bikes and scooters and had never seen these kinds if vibrations ever. Well, people on the forum started bashing me for complaining about my bike, which i bought with my money, on an ownership thread! And the vibes were justified as 'character'.Whatever the rider did, short of fraudulent tampering, the company is clearly at fault and liable.

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                  • #54
                    Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                    There is NO WAY Bajaj will ever acknowledge that this is their fault.

                    The rim has virtually NO side impact for it to break off like that.

                    The tyre is still inflated.

                    the fairing seems to have ONLY bottom/front impact.

                    IF the impact was head on the front wheel would be bent and/or deflated.

                    it is sickening understand that bajaj will get away with this.

                    whatever the reason this may have occurred... it is NOT due to a collision.

                    how fast would the rider have had to go thru a huge pothole for THIS level of damage to occur?

                    a clean break at EVERY SINGLE spoke at EXACTLY the same place.

                    ha! if this was me, Bajaj would hear from a team of lawyers.

                    This is NOT the first time this has occurred. There have been IDENTICAL instances with their KTM and NS.

                    horrible! I'm not saying that this happens only in india.

                    but a company that can get away by putting someones life in danger; only in india.

                    there is no value for human life here. Bajaj even having the gall with coming out with that defensive press release is appalling.

                    build quality. not something associated with rickshaw builders from pune.
                    Last edited by xionite; 07-24-2015, 09:41 PM. Reason: typo
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                    • #55
                      Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                      This is definitely cause for grave concern among prospective buyers of RS200. This happened first with old pulsar 200, remember the front forks breaking.. then there was split handle coming off on P220 and now this. Even on my P200NS, once I've observed split handle was loose like it will come off any time.. fortunately service center from my home was just about a km.. so I rode it carefully to SVC and got it fixed. Bajaj definitely needs to pay attention to these things.
                      Last edited by vrugonnab; 07-24-2015, 10:45 PM.
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                      • #56
                        Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                        True. Indeed it's surprising to see some members defending Bajaj at all in this case.
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                        • #57
                          Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                          Guys, take a chill pill! No need of getting all personal. No need of defending any side, no need of arguing if somebody does that. No need of badmouthing anybody and no need of badmouthing the one who does that.

                          As an owner of RS200, I am concerned a lot about this issue. It would be great to hear a detailed analysis from Bajaj, if any! Besides, can somebody post the FB link of the complainant's profile please? I tried searching it on FB but I think the account has been de-activated...
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                          • #58
                            Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                            lets hope bajaj doesn't buy out the guy who met with this horror and sweep it under the carpet

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                            • #59
                              Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                              Originally posted by s1d View Post
                              lets hope bajaj doesn't buy out the guy who met with this horror and sweep it under the carpet
                              Planning a trip to Daman on my RS200 next weekend... If you guys don't hear anything from me next week, please add one more name against alloy wheel failure
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                              • #60
                                Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

                                Fanboy, this term people use it in such a manner it seems it is crime loving a product, before I talk about this any further I would like to state here that I totally condemn this incident and incidents like this which have occurred in past and I totally believe that bajaj should be held liable for this type of flaws in their quality control they should not only apologise for this incident but should come up with initiative to bring its quality levels up, and should ensure such incident don't occur in future, having said that I would like to come back to my point, yes I am a fanboy and would defend the brand I like in this case Pulsar if baseless comments are directed towards its capabilities, because for past 8-9 years it have been a companion to me in many journeys and never have I faced a breakdown or any other kind of failure, so the bike vibrates its heartbreaking for many thing but I have learned to live with it it is part of life things vibrate, man the bike cost me at least 20k to 30k less than what it would have cost me had it been manufactured by some other company. My 2010 pulsar 180 has taken me over 800kms in varying weather in one single day but no sir no breakdown whatsoever. Constantly travelled over 500 kms in single day in the type of road which would make some people souls to shake, and I have done those road at speeds going up to 80kmph. The bike still returns me great milage. I have had a few small issues but nothing was big enough to overshadow the feats it achived. Only major thing till date required by it was sprocket change which was two years back. Only other thing is periodic tyre change. So yes if someone gives baseless comments towards a bike which has given me so much in return I will retaliate and it will go ugly. You come up with something genuine I agree with you but make a baseless remark and you have it coming. I am a fanboy of pulsar and I have no shame in excepting that, because the bike has earned it, it has shown its metal.

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