Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

I used to have a BSA Champ bicycle when I was a kid. Its frame came apart while riding at the joint near the pedal and I got a bruise in my leg. When we took it to the dealer for replacement they tried to argue out of doing so. Things would have been much easier in this era of social networking.

Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

The official statement is out, as posted by motoroids :



No wonder, the report is utter shit.

Something hard to digest, if the impact was from left side how come fairing and sidewall of rim is intact.

And under very very extreme circumstances the rims should giveup and that too not every metal spoke.

PS: The link is is already posted on RS 200 ownership thread. I have just copy pasted it in this thread.

Sincere good luck to RS owners.

Cheers,
Sanjay

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Its funny. How a person/fan/fanboy supporting bajaj or a product of bajaj is crucified while the person supporting the accident/person of the accident is regarded with high moral.

Let me put it this way, I dont know this guy who crashed. Like any of us here, its easy to put your sh*t up on the internet. I dont know how the accident actually happened. I dont know if the guy who faced the accident is genuine.

But I'll give you this, I've seen accidents where the bike/car is without a scratch but the person is dead. I've seen morons at the service centre who obviously have crashed their bike while stunting or otherwise and CLAIM warranty/blame the product/company. And how much every highly you regard yourself in terms of playing detectives with photos and metallurgy, this is my opinion from my personal experience.

Every company, from Germany to Japan, has had these kind of issues. To our more recent memory, Honda's with their 250s, Yamaha with R15 etc etc.

Bajaj has sold 7000 units of RS200 and this is the only case reported as yet.

I personally have owned 3 generations of Bajaj products without hitch, and would gladly go for a another (CS400 *fingerscrossed*).

Recently I met with an accident, I was on the Bangalore elevated expressway and the rain gods started pouring, there is a lay-bye where you can stop on the 15km stretch. As I turned on my indicators and slowed my pace and entered the lay-bye I crashed. I was badly injured but the bike escaped with few bruises. I was sh*t pissed, how the tyres, the bike, the brakes or whatever sh*t of the bike gave up. But on closer scrutiny, I found that there is 3 inch height gap between the lay-bye and the express way. As I was nursing my wounds, I saw 5 other people crash in the very same manner and all of the clueless and blaming the rain or the tyres. When in reality the BBMP is to be blamed. No I'm not gonna sue them.

Someone said, nobody cares about life in India, 100% true from every person in the forum to 1.2 billion people in India, nobody gives a sh*t. Simply cause there are 1.2 billion people. More than a lac people die in road accidents. Its kill or get killed out here. People seeing countries with a puny 300-400 million people should not compare it to India. Managing a classroom of 40 is different from managing 140.

If you feel this is the last straw, please do not buy the product or any product of Bajaj. If it infuriates you, you are in a free country, reach out to that guy(apparently he disappeared online), file a case against Bajaj, draft a contract, get a share of the compensation (which will probably run into millions LOL). Or better yet, buy those 9 lac rupee bikes with fake power figures on the brochure.

P.S. Nobody is disputing the fact that this is dangerous and if Bajaj is actually at fault, it should definitely be penalised. After all, we are all here for the bikes.

Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

take a look at this-
We Don't Believe Bajaj Statement - Pulsar Alloy Wheel Break

Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

So, yo' PLAN is, you gonna judge and shout your way to the top, huh?... Well fellas, I dun't see nobody gettin' convinced!!


Read on.... Why would we, the sane controlled bikers go into one of the extremes... despite not much proof of what actually happened?

Either you guys announce a judgment on Bajaj Auto's bad/ non-consistent quality, or you just say the owner made a mistake or its a secret conspiracy or something...


All the statements in the above code, are just my assumptions, without concrete proof of any kind. But they sway in both directions.

They only show us that, all things are possible and we the people must not judge any party arbitrarily.


I suggest we go this way:->

1. If anyone has a concrete proof or observation which is not already posted in this thread, then post it now. Otherwise, stop badmouthing either of the two parties.

2. Support a neutral investigation by ARAI against Bajaj over the alloy wheels, taking a large sample like 200 wheels or so, from both KTM and NS/RS.
Anyone of you, please be open minded and create a campaign on change.org, post its link here and let us sign it. Or suggest something similar.


There's no use creating hell over such suspicious conditions, and there's no use spoiling the environment, blaming other members/ moderators of the community for bais or whatever. Because, nobody's your judge and you're not their judge either.


Let's be positive and look for solutions...

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Whats the matter with people

Is it really necessary to pinch everyone's opinion ?

Everyone has got their own theory of this issue, is this the deciding factor between a fanboy and bad mouthing ?

Why can't everyone stick to the common thing which is the subject thread.

Peace out guys, no need to pinch anyone regarding their posts.

Nobody is in the mind of others and can say wether the other person is a fan boy or bad mouthing. And certainly everybody knows the seriousness of alloys getting broken and take my word on this nobody would like to be a fan boy against his life.

Peace out respective brothers.

Cheers,
Sanjay


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Man this is confusing .now whom to trust. Is the searching from Bajaj authentic enough?Their confidence shows so.why don't people now ask those guys who met with an accident . don't think Bajaj will bluff now as for some reason I think their findings makes sense.

Sent from India...

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Obviously they will be confident as this is one off issue and the couple who met with the accident may not be brave enough to pull up a giant like this.

So bajaj wins and I am not surprised!!!!

Cherrs,
Sanjay

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Damn if Bajaj lied that's so bad although I find no reason to blame to those couple as why would they lie.I don't find Amy reason for them to lie at all.
But according to both ,seems like both are lying.Someone has to say the truth .now who is it?

Sent from India...

Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

amidst all this , one idea which is rearing its head in my mind: Can we change the wheels to spokes? Is there an easy and somewhat cheap way to do that? May be get a supermoto wheel(expensive though).
I used to see a duke 690 with spoke wheels on the way to the wood street office. Looked sexy too with the long front suspension.
Spokes would give you complete peace of mind

Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

As per Indian Standards it has to be around 7.5 - 9.5, and nobody asked for visual inspection from bajaj, a proper spectrometer test of the fractured rim should be conducted comparing a alloy master sample by third party laboratory.

Visual inspection should be made to the vehicles with alloy wheels bearing the same date and shift codes to the one which has failed/fractured, that's a proper way to do.

Re: RS200 Alloy Wheel breaking issue!

well I was one of the first ones' to put my observations down - without any bias against bajaj Coz I've used Bajaj earlier & I like their Bikes, but that doesn't make me a Fanboy(blind belief in products). Also I see a lot are coming from their past experience but hey we're not saying that the Bike is bad etc.... it's only the wheel, this particular fancy designed wheel not earlier ones which were quite beefy.

And I found this which definitely makes a lot of sense.

http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/scoops/guide-to-find-truth-behind-pulsar-alloy-wheel-break-accident-127081

More I'm a Cyclist and in Cycling world there's a saying - Strong - Light - Cheap : in that order you can only choose two. So if it's light and strong it wont be cheap & if it's light & cheap it won't be strong.

This highly competitive in this indian motorcycle market whose Primary driving force is "PRICE" - "VALUE for Money" are making them stretch to extremes in measures of cost cutting esp when they want to play in the Volume segment. And this stretching of the entire system will definitely taking it's toll on the products. And this is equal fault of both Consumer and Manufacturer. We as consumer are now so highly demanding that manufacturers (be it Cars or Bikes) are trying to package as much as possible in their products.

We want Mileage + Sexy Looks + Performance + Features + Low Cost spares + Low Maintenance + Great Quality + Great Safety And then we want them at ridiculously Low Prices. This line of extreme demands then forces companies to cut corners in order to stay profitable & remain in the market. And this is in both Car & Motorcycle market, Why only Jap/ Korean & Maruti cars are popular here than european? - because they're supposedly providing most of these at relatively cheap prices.... but are they really? Most European cars are heavily built hence give lesser mileage & are costlier to make and focus on high-speed driving dynamics rather than only in-city driving. They're making cars structurally safe first & providing features etc next.

Manufacturers will make only what we demand of their products... and unless we shift our perspectives and focal point of buying & desires things will not change. Ever Wonder why almost every other European Cars & bikes are desirable? Why almost all Italian stuff is beauty & performance and quality & ridiculously expensive? it's because those people desire those very things and are ready to pay for it.

My post in is no defence of any company who should be cutting corners - but us as consumers need also realizing of our own that being extremely demanding on all aspects esp Price is not helping. Cause We & the Manufacturers are part of an interdependent system & each one's beahviour affects the other. Esp Us since we hold in our own hands what we influence the manufacturers to make their products.

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So you mean to say .. if we have paid 3 lakh for a 200 cc bike then they would have built us a strong light bike?? You think 1.5 lakh is not adequate for a 200 cc bike.. ?? They made us bike with ABS to save us during panic braking which happens rarely and alloy that breaks during hard breaking which almost happens everyday... Sorry...Couldn't agree with u...

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add to that YAMAHA R15 AND HONDA CBR 250 retails 1.3 n 1.7 respectively so 200cc priced around 1.5 is not cheap by any means and although bike is good but still Yamaha n honda in way ahead is build quality and reliability department....plus read somewhere bajaj makes most profit out of their bikes....

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It's probably adequate to build a very good quality 200cc Bike..... but friend You think 1.5lks is enough to provide for a 200CC performance oriented liquid cooled engine, with light-weight fairing, projector lights, ABS and etc etc etc? That is my point.

So when a company is now wanting to put all of that into a motorcycle will it not try to cut costs wherever it can?

Do you know most companies in most of the industries in india Choose vendors basis on L1 concept Lowest price. This is because Companies want to keep the price of the final product the minimum because the Consumer wants products to be cheaper.

Why don't you find out the cost of a Motorcycle similar to the RS200 in most of the aspects in other countries? You'll see the difference. I'm not saying companies should provide faulty or defective products, but if it finds consumers are bothered more about price rather than quality then it will tune it's products accordingly.

it's very simple equation you get only what you pay for & I honestly think 1.5Lacs is not enough to pack all of that into a bike like RS200 if each component is of very good quality.